Comments 1 - 24 of 24        Search these comments

1   Onvacation   2017 Aug 2, 3:45pm  

From the linked article:
"After all, the human body can lose three pounds after a good poop."

Sea levels have gone up almost a foot in the last 150 years. Four inches in the last 20 years alone!

Move up the hill before it's too late!

2   Onvacation   2017 Aug 2, 4:41pm  

Climate goes through natural cycles mostly because of the suns natural cycles. No doubt we are polluting our world and humans may be playing a small factor in the warming (1 degree over the last century) but the sun determines how hot it is.
Hopefully we are not heading back into the ice age. That would be very bad for humans.

3   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Aug 2, 7:05pm  

Onvacation says

"NOAA fixed the 2016 increase at 0.04 degrees Celsius. The British Met Office reported an even lower rise, of 0.01C. Both increases are well within the margin of error for such calculations, approximately 0.1 degrees, and therefore are dismissed by many scientists as meaningless."

Good point. Now everybody who was convinced that AGW is real based only on the temperature rise from 2015 to 2016 can relax. How many people do you think that is?

4   HEY YOU   2017 Aug 2, 7:19pm  

What's going on with the collapse of property values due to SLR?

5   Onvacation   2017 Aug 2, 8:21pm  

Onvacation says

wog says

You skipped over the fact that around 2010, all the brilliant skeptics were predicting a cooling trend due to sunspot cycles. They weren't only wrong they were EXTREMELY wrong and exactly the opposite happened.

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

Let me help you. 0.85 degrees over the last century, that is if you BELIEVE that worldwide temps can even be measured.

You call people who question the AGW narrative.deniers. What does that even mean?

6   Dan8267   2017 Aug 3, 8:09am  

Onvacation says

So global warming means MORE snowfall? I thought snow required cold?

Are you seriously that ignorant or is this a joke? On the chance that you are serious (see Poe's Law)...

Scientific America: Why Global Warming Can Mean Harsher Winter Weather

[W]armer temperatures in the winter of 2006 caused Lake Erie to not freeze for the first time in its history. This actually led to increased snowfalls because more evaporating water from the lake was available for precipitation.

Skeptical Science: Does record snowfall disprove global warming?

Global warming decreases the likeliness of snowstorm conditions in warmer, southern regions. However, in northern, colder regions, temperatures are often too cold for very heavy snow so warming can bring more favourable snowstorm conditions (Kunkel 2008). This is borne out in observations. Over the last century, there has been a downward trend in snowstorms across the lower Midwest, South and West Coast. Conversely, there's been an increase in snowstorms in the upper Midwest East, and Northeast with the overall national trend also upwards (Changnon 2006).

To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation. Global temperatures in the last few months of record snowfall are some of the hottest on record. Warming causes more moisture in the air which leads to more extreme precipitation events. This includes more heavy snowstorms in regions where snowfall conditions are favourable. Far from contradicting global warming, record snowfall is predicted by climate models and consistent with our expectation of more extreme precipitation events.

7   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 8:31am  

Dan8267 says

Onvacation says

So global warming means MORE snowfall? I thought snow required cold?

Are you seriously that ignorant o

Dan8267 says

Global temperatures in the last few months of record snowfall are some of the hottest on record.

Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

Enlighten the ignorant.

8   Dan8267   2017 Aug 3, 10:53am  

Onvacation says

Enlighten the ignorant.

What do you think the referenced articles and quotes are for?

9   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 11:03am  

Dan8267 says

To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation

“Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.”

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg2/index.php?idp=569

Do you think the ipcc is credible? If so why have their predictions failed?

I don't expect a straight answer but hope to be entertained by your response.

10   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 11:04am  

97% OF SCIENTISTS AGREE: GLOBAL WARMING IS MAKING WINTERS COLDER AND MILDER

11   Dan8267   2017 Aug 3, 11:20am  

The evidence for man-made climate change and it's dangers is overwhelming. At this point, anyone denying the existence of man-made climate change should be considered a lunatic or pathological liar. Such persons should have zero say in policies.

12   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 11:25am  

Dan8267 says

At this point, anyone denying the existence of man-made climate change should be considered a lunatic or pathological liar. Such persons should have zero say in policies.

I have no say in policies.

Can you answer the questions:

Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

Onvacation says

Do you think the ipcc is credible? If so why have their predictions failed?

14   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 11:39am  

Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

Let me help you

15   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 11:43am  

Onvacation says

Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

Let me help you

This does not seem right. How could the temp have risen over the last 150 years but fallen over the last couple of decades. Help me Dan
Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

16   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Aug 3, 12:01pm  

Onvacation says

Do you think the ipcc is credible? If so why have their predictions failed?

I don't expect a straight answer but hope to be entertained by your response.

Here's the full quote:

Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point.

Did you leave off the conditional phrase because you didn't understand it or you wanted to lie about what was in the IPCC report? Do you even see how this is not contradictory to what Dan wrote regarding increased snow in the north but decreased snow in the south?

I'm not amused by your posts. If they are sincere, I'm disheartened by the lack of clarity and truthfulness.

17   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 12:10pm  

YesYNot says

Did you leave off the conditional phrase because you didn't understand it or you wanted to lie about what was in the IPCC report?

We were talking about record snow.

Maybe you can answer:
Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

18   Chupacabra   2017 Aug 3, 12:18pm  

There is also the component of thermal expansion that I don't see mentioned on this thread.

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/887

"Thermosteric estimates are based on measurements of warming of both deep water areas as well as warm water areas of the ocean."

19   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Aug 3, 12:23pm  

Onvacation says

We were talking about record snow.

We were talking about whether or not one would expect more or less snow with global warming. The answer is more snow in some areas and less in others. That was too complicated for you. Why did you misrepresent the IPCC report?

Onvacation says

Maybe you can answer:

If you are asking what is the increase in the yearly average temperature in the lowest region of the atmosphere since 2010, it is 0.1 oC according to this: http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
You posted the temperature in a specific location during 3 months of the year. Global climate change does not mean an equal warming in summer and winter months. A warmer global temperature could also cause local cooling by changing circulation patterns. This should be obvious.

20   Dan8267   2017 Aug 3, 12:32pm  

Onvacation says

I have no say in policies.

I was talking about politicians denying climate change.

Onvacation says

Can you answer the questions:

Onvacation says

How much warmer is it now than 2010?

Onvacation says

Do you think the ipcc is credible? If so why have their predictions failed?

- How much warmer is it now than 2010?


Source: NASA: Despite Subtle Differences, Global Temperature Records in Close Agreement

No, I don't know the exact change in mean global temperature (MGT) from the arbitrary, and likely cherry picked, years of 2010 and 2017. The raw data is available online for free if you want to go through the spreadsheet.

However, what matters is that the MGT has been rising for the past 150 years, and that rise is accelerating. From the above graph, the MGT has risen 0.6°C since 1940, which is the year that represents the mean temperature for the 20th century. A 0.6°C rise is enormous. It is utter foolishness to say otherwise simply because you as a human being would not notice this. The amount of heat this requires and the change on the climate as a result of such a change is very significant.

- Do you think the ipcc is credible? If so why have their predictions failed?

Yes, the IPCC is credible, and no, their predictions have not failed. Nor has NASA's. Furthermore, the empirical rise in GMT is undeniable and proves man-made global warming and climate change.

Contrary to Contrarian Claims, IPCC Temperature Projections Have Been Exceptionally Accurate

There is a new myth circulating in the climate contrarian blogosphere and mainstream media that a figure presented in the "leaked" draft Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fifth Assessment Report shows that the planet has warmed less than previous IPCC report climate model simulations predicted. Tamino at the Open Mind blog and Skeptical Science's own Alex C have done a nice job refuting this myth.

Not surprisingly, the Frame and Stone result is very similar to our evaluation of the FAR projections, finding that they accurately simulated the global surface temperature response to the increased greenhouse effect since 1990. The study also shows that the warming since 1990 cannot be explained by the Earth's natural temperature variability alone, because the warming (red) is outside of the range of natural variability (black and gray).

As shown above, the IPCC has thus far done remarkably well at predicting future global surface warming. The same cannot be said for the climate contrarians who criticize the IPCC and mainstream climate science predictions.

Here's the thing about lying about scientific facts. You'll get caught every time. Science is verifiable. That's why it works. That's why fraud never succeeds against science.

21   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 12:59pm  

YesYNot says

If you are asking what is the increase in the yearly average temperature in the lowest region of the atmosphere since 2010, it is 0.1 oC

So 0.01 degrees per year average.

22   Onvacation   2017 Aug 3, 1:04pm  

Pollution and overpopulation are real problems in the world. Muslim terrorism is a real problem in the world. Lying cheating governments are a real problem in the world. Manmade climate change not so much.

23   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Aug 3, 1:12pm  

Onvacation says

So 0.01 degrees per year average.

Yeah, if you pick those particular years, and round down. You will probably think that 0.01 oC per year increase is nothing to worry about. You'd be stupid to make that assumption for two reasons. Reason 1: The pattern is accelerating in general, though you can cherry pick some years to get a smaller number.
Reason 2: It is cumulative. Over 100 years, that has led to 1 oC. Eventually, that will be 4 oC. It will probably be sooner than you think. There are a number of reasons that 4oC would be bad, even if an extra 4 oC would not kill you this afternoon.

24   Dan8267   2017 Aug 3, 1:49pm  

Onvacation says

Did a little more "research". I didn't realize how noaah manipulated their data.

https://realclimatescience.com/2016/12/100-of-us-warming-is-due-to-noaa-data-tampering/

Of course this IS a denier site.

NOAA does not manipulate data or publish fraudulent data. Nor does NASA or any other of the hundreds of reputable scientific organizations around the world. Any mistake, no matter how slight, would be attacked relentlessly by scientists who have enormous incentives to disprove papers.

Just because something is on the Internet does not make it credible. There are plenty of sites that are run by the TenPoundBasses of the world that simply publish complete bullshit.

It's not hard to distinguish between creditable sources and fraudulent ones. Creditable sources have long histories often going back before the World Wide Web. The world scientific community is so large that it's easy to verify which organizations are real scientific organizations and which are fake ones. The real ones are acknowledged by the community as a whole. You'll never see realclimatescience.com referenced by NASA or the Royal Meteorological Society except perhaps if they are debunking the source.

In short there is no excuse for being fooled by random asshole spouting lies on the Internet. It's not that hard to distinguish real scientific organizations from propaganda mills.

Please register to comment:

api   best comments   contact   latest images   memes   one year ago   random   suggestions