Congress Woman Jackie Speier Says That Donald Trump Will Resign When Faced With An Impeachment Indictment..Will Vice-President Pence Also Face Impeachment?
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Congress Woman Jackie Speier Says That Donald Trump Will Resign When Faced With An Impeachment Indictment..Will Vice-President Pence Also Face Impeachment?

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Donald Trump likely to resign before Congress can impeach him, says senior Democrat
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Jackie Speier, who represents California's 14th Congressional District near San Francisco, said the probe into Russian meddling 'could get very muddy very quickly': Getty
Donald Trump would resign before Congress is able impeach him, a senior US representative has said, as pressure mounts over his team's alleged links to Russia.

Jackie Speier, who sits on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said attempts by the President to pardon members of his family or fire the man appointed to investigate Russian meddling in last year’s presidential election could trigger an impeachment vote.

“I have always thought that he was never going to fulfil his full term,” she said.

“I am more convinced that he will leave before any impeachment would take place.”

On Friday it emerged that the special counsel appointed to investigate Russian meddling in the 2016 vote, Robert Mueller, was using a grand jury – suggesting his probe was entering a new, more serious, phase.

The move piled further pressure on the President, whose seven months in office have been dogged by accusations that his team worked with Russia to swing the vote.

Speaking on Radio 4’s Today programme, Ms Speier said: “I do think the potential for the House to start to think in terms of impeachment is not outside the realm of possibility.

“It is not something that would be happening any time soon but if the President were to act precipitously at any of these situations, pardoning his family members, taking actions to try and get rid of Mr Mueller, I think those would be tipping points and could end up in the House calling for impeachment.”

In order for Mr Trump to be impeached, a simple majority (50 per cent plus one representative) is needed in the House.

A trial would then take place in the Senate, where a two-thirds vote is needed to remove him from office.

Ms Speier said the current makeup of the House of Representatives meant only 24 Republicans were needed to join with Democrats in order to pass an impeachment vote.

Describing the similarities between the Mr Trump and Richard Nixon, who resigned following attempts to impeach him, as “stark”, she said the investigation into the incumbent president “could get very muddy very quickly”, adding: “You can’t make this up, that is what is so mind boggling.”

Mr Mueller was appointed special counsel in May by the justice department following the firing by Mr Trump of FBI director James Comey.

He has since assembled a team of more than a dozen investigators, including current and former justice department prosecutors with experience in international bribery, organised crime and financial fraud.

News of the grand jury came as senators introduced two bills aimed at protecting Mr Mueller from being fired by Mr Trump, with both parties signalling resistance to any White House effort to derail the investigation into Russian meddling in last year's election.

Mr Trump's defence team has been looking into potential conflicts of interest among members of Mr Mueller's team, such as past political contributions to Democrats including Hillary Clinton.

Mr Trump has warned that any effort by Mr Mueller to look into his finances would fall outside the scope of Mr Mueller's appointment.

Related:

Trump calls Russia investigation a ‘total fabrication’

During a rally in Huntington, W.Va., on Thursday, President Trump continued his criticism of and disdain for the federal investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, telling the cheering crowd that the probe is a “total fabrication.”

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28   FP   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 8, 8:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
I’ll give you 1 to 5 at $5000 right now. Let’s do it.


So you think the chances of impeachment are less than 20%? My estimate (I admit, without much thought going into it), is around there too - between 10 and 20%. Since I don't gamble (i.e. I only play when the odds are in my favor), I am willing to take bets with 1 to 10 or better odds. Of course the size of the bet is also adjusted based on the odds.

(the anon_80a5e comment above was mine)
29   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 8, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

FP says
So you think the chances of impeachment are less than 20%? My estimate (I admit, without much thought going into it), is around there too - between 10 and 20%. Since I don't gamble (i.e. I only play when the odds are in my favor), I am willing to take bets with 1 to 10 or better odds. Of course the size of the bet is also adjusted based on the odds.


I'll do 10 to 1 at $1,000. I pay you $10,000 if Trump resigns in 2018 or you pay me $1,000 if he doesn't. I'll go as high as $2,000 if you want.

Game? We can get an agreement signed ASAP.
30   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 8, 8:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran. Did you mark comment 27 as uncivil? Why is that uncivil?
31   FP   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 8, 9:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
if Trump resigns in 2018


Why 2018? I wrote resign or is impeached (removed from office) before the end of his term. 2018 is too soon. These things take time to develop.
32   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 8, 9:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

There's a market for this type of betting. The odds are such that anyone who believes that Goran would actually pay up can make easy money on arbitrage. You would have to believe that Goran is honest, though. So, if nobody takes the bet, that means that either nobody thinks that Goran is honest or nobody wants a free $2K. I'm going with the former option.

How the hell is this uncivil?

Patnet went from a Free Speech forum to a Safe Space for The Special Snowflakes in a few months. Yuck
33   RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 8, 10:06am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Can't believe democrats are still raving on and on about Trump since the second he was elected. Why were they not going crazy over things that were far worse from the Bush's, Clinton's, or Reagan?
34   anon_6a51a   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 8, 10:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
There's a market for this type of betting. The odds are such that anyone who believes that Goran would actually pay up can make easy money on arbitrage. You would have to believe that Goran is honest, though. So, if nobody takes the bet, that means that either nobody thinks that Goran is honest or nobody wants a free $2K. I'm going with the former option.

How the hell is this uncivil?


He's calling Goran dishonest, that's a personal attack and uncivil.

Based on your posting history, you have a problem understanding personal attacks. The current Comment jail is proof of that.
35   anon_c89d7   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 8, 10:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
FP says
So you think the chances of impeachment are less than 20%? My estimate (I admit, without much thought going into it), is around there too - between 10 and 20%. Since I don't gamble (i.e. I only play when the odds are in my favor), I am willing to take bets with 1 to 10 or better odds. Of course the size of the bet is also adjusted based on the odds.


I'll do 10 to 1 at $1,000. I pay you $10,000 if Trump resigns in 2018 or you pay me $1,000 if he doesn't. I'll go as high as $2,000 if you want.

Game? We can get an agreement signed ASAP.


I'm a "rightist" but might be interested in this - but I will insist both my 1k and your 10k are held in escrow. Interested?
36   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 8, 11:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

anon_6a51a says
He's calling Goran dishonest, that's a personal attack and uncivil.

I asked Goran himself why it was put in jail and stays in jail. He has not responded. I did not call him dishonest, although I did say that I believe that most posters are more likely to think he is not honest than the other option, which is that they don't want a couple of thousand in easy arbitrage money.

Goran_K says

I think this is a fair bet. Any leftist that wants to put their money where their mouth is, let me know. We can go up to $5,000, but I kept it at $1,000 to make sure anyone could bet.

A lot of loud mouth leftist on MSM and various communities talking a lot of bull shit.

Goran implied that leftists will not put their money where there mouths are, which implies that they are full of shit and do not even believe the crap that they are spewing. I think that my response called him on it with about as much civility as he was displaying. This is a good example of how the rules are enforced selectively and arbitrarily. As I keep saying: the hammer is biased.
38   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 8, 9:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_6a51a says
He's calling Goran dishonest


He's also lying. Where is there a market wherein you can sell the Trump-to-be-impeached trade for more than 10%? Prove me wrong, cause I'll go there and lay into that risk.
39   anon_08dee   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 8, 10:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOEtrader says
Where is there a market wherein you can sell the Trump-to-be-impeached trade for more than 10%? Prove me wrong, cause I'll go there and lay into that risk.


Wow. Even CBOE thinks there's only a 10% chance that Trump will not be impeached. That's a little low I'd say, even to many liberal gamblers.
41   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 8, 10:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_08dee says
CBOEtrader says
Where is there a market wherein you can sell the Trump-to-be-impeached trade for more than 10%? Prove me wrong, cause I'll go there and lay into that risk.


Wow. Even CBOE thinks there's only a 10% chance that Trump will not be impeached. That's a little low I'd say, even to many liberal gamblers.


No, I think there's zero chance he's impeached.
42   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 9, 5:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/us-elections/donald-trump-specials/225147663/
The odds for Trump "To Leave Office Via Impeachment Or Resignation Before End 1st Term" are listed as even right now. If you bet that he doesn't resign by end of term at ladbrokes for $1K, and then place $1K down that he does resign with Goran, then you break even at worst or win $4K if he does resign. If you bet $3K at Ladbrokes that he doesn't resign and $1K with Goran that he does, if he does resign, you win $2K ($5K-$3K). If he doesn't resign, you win $2K ($3K at ladbrokes - $1K with Goran). It's a guaranteed $2K winning. Who wants a free $2K. I've shown you exactly how to do it.
43   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 8:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/us-elections/donald-trump-specials/225147663/
The odds for Trump "To Leave Office Via Impeachment Or Resignation Before End 1st Term" are listed as even right now. If you bet that he doesn't resign by end of term at ladbrokes for $1K, and then place $1K down that he does resign with Goran, then you break even at worst or win $4K if he does resign. If you bet $3K at Ladbrokes that he doesn't resign and $1K with Goran that he does, if he does resign, you win $2K ($5K-$3K). If he doesn't resign, you win $2K ($3K at ladbrokes - $1K with Goran). It's a guaranteed $2K winning. Who wants a free $2K. I've shown you exactly how to do it.


I don’t see where it says even odds for him resigning. Can you show me the specific betting link? I will bet $25,000 right now and post my bet receipt for all to see.
44   anon_9c01e   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 8:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Who wants a free $2K. I've shown you exactly how to do it.


Show us your bet that you placed.
45   anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 9, 8:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOEtrader says
He's also lying. Where is there a market wherein you can sell the Trump-to-be-impeached trade for more than 10%? Prove me wrong, cause I'll go there and lay into that risk.

https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/us-elections/donald-trump-specials/225147663/
The odds for Trump "To Leave Office Via Impeachment Or Resignation Before End 1st Term" are listed as even right now. If you bet that he doesn't resign by end of term at ladbrokes for $1K, and then place $1K down that he does resign with Goran, then you break even at worst or win $4K if he does resign. If you bet $3K at Ladbrokes that he doesn't resign and $1K with Goran that he does, if he does resign, you win $2K ($5K-$3K). If he doesn't resign, you win $2K ($3K at ladbrokes - $1K with Goran). It's a guaranteed $2K winning. Who wants a free $2K. I've shown you exactly how to do it.
46   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 8:31am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

BREAKING NEWS!
PRESIDENT TRUMP TO STEP DOWN FROM OFFICE!
The embattled President Trump, who has been fighting an uphill battle against entrenched Obama holdover judges and bureaucrats, and enmired in a constant controversy over possible Russian collusion during the election plans to leave office voluntarily on January 20, 2025!
47   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 9, 8:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I will tell you how to place the bet when you tell me why comment 27 is in jail. I asked you politely in comment 30 and am still waiting for a response.

Feel free to delete the anon posts that are duplicates of mine.
48   anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 9, 8:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
I don’t see where it says even odds for him resigning. Can you show me the specific betting link? I will bet $25,000 right now and post my bet receipt for all to see.


I will tell you how to place the bet when you tell me why comment 27 is in jail. I asked you politely in comment 30 and am still waiting for a response.
49   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 8:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_61c8a says
I will tell you how to place the bet when you tell me why comment 27 is in jail. I asked you politely in comment 30 and am still waiting for a response.


That one is there because GonzoReal put it there. And it seems justified to me. It's just an attack on another user.

27 Heraclitusstudent ignore (1) 2017 Nov 22, 4:30pm like (5) dislike (1) jailed by GonzoReal liberate quote edit delete
Ok maybe just: Piggy's extraordinary cynicism.
50   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 8:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

What happened to Goran? Has he rescinded his bet formally or is it still on?

Oh I see,

Goran_K says
I will bet $25,000 right now and post my bet receipt for all to see.


Can't wait to see that bet receipt.
51   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 9, 9:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says
It's just an attack on another user.

@Patrick, how about now?

Goran was allowed to imply that leftists (he thinks that many posting here fit that description) will not put their money where their mouths are, which is essentially calling them liars. I merely offered up my guess as to why people are not taking Goran up on his offer, and I intentionally did not state the reason as fact. It seems to be splitting hairs to call Goran's behavior civil but call me out. In any case, I edited the comment to see where the line is. I certainly ought to be able to point out that Goran's bet is far far more generous than the going rate, and that anyone interested in free money could obtain it with a little arbitrage. The issue is that they have to believe that Goran will pay up.
52   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 9:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
essentially calling them liars


An attack on the truth or falsity of a point or a position is not a personal attack. A personal attack is an attack on the character of a person.

No debate would ever be possible about anything if everyone was so sensitive to say that any disagreement at all is "calling me a liar".
53   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 9, 10:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

@Patrick, How is comment 27 now? I've removed any speculation about why nobody is taking Goran up on his offer. I merely present the options without speculating on whether or not nobody wants a free $2K.
54   just_passing_through   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 10:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

ohomen171 says
Jackie Speier, who represents California's 14th Congressional District near San Francisco


I used to see her shopping at the OSH in Foster City quite often. If I could have seen the future I would have told her to eff off in advance. Also, maybe something like, "Too bad it wasn't YOU who didn't make it back from Jonestown!"
55   anon_c1d53   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 9, 11:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_6a51a says
errc says
There's a market for this type of betting. The odds are such that anyone who believes that Goran would actually pay up can make easy money on arbitrage. You would have to believe that Goran is honest, though. So, if nobody takes the bet, that means that either nobody thinks that Goran is honest or nobody wants a free $2K. I'm going with the former option.

How the hell is this uncivil?


He's calling Goran dishonest, that's a personal attack and uncivil.

Based on your posting history, you have a problem understanding personal attacks. The current Comment jail is proof of that.


He is not calling Goran dishonest. Claiming that is plain stupid (but I do think that you are otherwise very smart, so by no means is this an attach on you, just on your statement).

The current comment jail is a proof of errc's statement.
56   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 10, 9:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

Hutch says

Goran_K says
I will bet $25,000 right now and post my bet receipt for all to see.


Can't wait to see that bet receipt


Still waiting to see that bet receipt Goran. The fact that we haven't seen it pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here. If what you said was untrue (a lie) then just admit it. We won't think any less of you for admitting it. Personally I don't think you will make the bet and are just BS'ing.
57   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 10, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

Sorry forgot to add this @Goran_K still waiting
58   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 10, 8:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch says

Sorry forgot to add this @Goran_K still waiting


I went through the sign up process and ladbrokes doesn't allow U.S bets otherwise I would have put up a sizable bet.
59   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 11, 7:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

Didn't you say you live in Nevada? No sports books you can go to? If you don't live in NV, DE, MD, NY, or NJ you can place your bet at Bovada. I'm sure if you are really serious about placing the bet you could find someone to take your money.
60   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 11, 7:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
Hutch says

Sorry forgot to add this @Goran_K still waiting


I went through the sign up process and ladbrokes doesn't allow U.S bets otherwise I would have put up a sizable bet.


You didn’t know this already? That Republicans have prohibited your ability as an American to wager like most rest of the people on this planet. Freedom, it’s just one more thing for grumpy Republicans to hate, and take it out on everyone else. Sad!

But how could any American not know this already? Strange
61   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 11, 7:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

errc says
But how could any American not know this already? Strange


Errc, personally I think my comment in 56 above is uncivil. But Goran can't complain about it because they are his exact words he used towards you. I still think he had no intention of making the bet. It took him nearly 12 hours to find his out, yet I never suggested that website for him to place his bet. If he was serious he could find a place to take his money but we all know he is not.
62   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 11, 8:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch says
Hutch here,

Didn't you say you live in Nevada? No sports books you can go to? If you don't live in NV, DE, MD, NY, or NJ you can place your bet at Bovada. I'm sure if you are really serious about placing the bet you could find someone to take your money.


No, I'm 100% sure I won't lose a single cent on that bet.

I'll offer you any odds that "Bovada" is offering Hutch if you're "so sure" my money will be taken, up to $5,000.
63   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 11, 8:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says

You didn’t know this already? That Republicans have prohibited your ability as an American to wager like most rest of the people on this planet. Freedom, it’s just one more thing for grumpy Republicans to hate, and take it out on everyone else. Sad!

But how could any American not know this already? Strange


Glad to see you're in the Holiday spirit errc.
64   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 11, 8:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
I'll offer you any odds that "Bovada" is offering Hutch if you're "so sure" my money will be taken, up to $5,000.

Why don't you go back to your initial offer?
65   FP   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 11, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
No, I'm 100% sure I won't lose a single cent on that bet.

I'll offer you any odds that "Bovada" is offering Hutch if you're "so sure" my money will be taken, up to $5,000.


If you are 100% sure, why limit the bet to $5,000? And how can you be 100% sure if you admit the outcomes are probabilistic.

After reading such comments, I have uncivil thoughts about the writer.
66   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 11, 11:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

Goran_K says

I'll offer you any odds that "Bovada" is offering


Wow, that is very generous of you. But wouldn't you or I be better of just making the bet with Bovada since I wouldn't expect you to trust me nor do I trust you to pay of in a loss. The "fact" that you have money doesn't mean you'd pay

So are you really serious about making that $25k bet or just blowing smoke up our asses. Can't wait to see the betting slip.
67   Hutch   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 12, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hutch here,

@Goran_K you place that bet yet?

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