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Honest appraisal of Islam by founder of Autodesk


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2017 Aug 5, 2:20pm   2,590 views  9 comments

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https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/islam_freedom/clash.html

Which brings us to Islam. Islam, if taken literally as defined in the Koran, the Hadiths, and in interpretations such as Reliance of the Traveller, is grossly incompatible, even more than the doctrines of communism, with Western values. Let me quote two items from Reliance of the Traveller

o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.
o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserves to die.)
I could quote hundreds of others which violate freedom of conscience, equality of the sexes, due process of law, endorsement of slavery, and the obligation to jihad (o9.0 et seq.).

If we take the Islamic scriptures seriously, then anybody who believes them cannot also accept the tenets of Western civilisation. Conversely, somebody who is fully integrated into Western civilisation must necessarily be an apostate from this pure interpretation of Islam, just as an émigré from a communist country must have renounced fundamental precepts of its society to fully join the West.

During the Cold War, the West explicitly worked to subvert the ideology of the communist bloc, overtly in contested arenas (USIA libraries, etc.) and covertly by funding anti-communist publications and political parties, and in communist countries by broadcasts and other means. The goal was to bring down the opposing ideology, and while some of the initiatives to do so were secret, nobody hesitated to name the enemy creed nor deny the goal of discrediting it.

Does the fact that Islam calls itself a religion make any difference? To the extent that Islam embraces values diametrically opposed to those of the West, should it not be a target just as communism was? If it sheds those destructive beliefs (just as many communists in Western Europe have been effectively neutered into social democrats), then we'll know the effort has succeeded. But until then, it makes absolutely no sense to deal on an equal basis with those who do not embrace Western values nor welcome them into Western societies, any more than it would have made sense to treat Iron Curtain countries as peers or welcome masses of unreformed communists into the West.

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1   curious2   2017 Aug 5, 2:22pm  

See also prior thread including quotations and further data

2   Patrick   2017 Aug 5, 2:23pm  

Thanks, you're way ahead of me.

In fact, I found that link by looking at a previous link that you published.

3   Strategist   2017 Aug 5, 2:56pm  

Patrick says

During the Cold War, the West explicitly worked to subvert the ideology of the communist bloc, overtly in contested arenas (USIA libraries, etc.) and covertly by funding anti-communist publications and political parties, and in communist countries by broadcasts and other means. The goal was to bring down the opposing ideology, and while some of the initiatives to do so were secret, nobody hesitated to name the enemy creed nor deny the goal of discrediting it.

What happened to common sense since the cold war? To many dumb liberals think criticizing Islam is racist. They just don't realize that it's criticism that precedes change.
Is that right Marcus?

4   Onvacation   2017 Aug 5, 3:06pm  

Strategist says

To many dumb liberals think criticizing Islam is racist.

To many liberals being a white male is racist.

5   Strategist   2017 Aug 5, 3:12pm  

Onvacation says

Strategist says

To many dumb liberals think criticizing Islam is racist.

To many liberals being a white male is racist.

Anyone who thinks people are born racists, must have been born stupid.

6   anonymous   2017 Aug 5, 4:02pm  

Islam is shit. So now what?

Build a wall on the Mexican Border, and pray that harassing Mexicans is the solution to Islam?

Ban a handful of small shitty Middle Eastern Muslim countries citizens from entering our country (by legal process), and hope that somehow that solves the problem of Saudi Arabia financing the proliferation of Islamic terrorism?

What about the rest of our border? Are we not supposed to talk about the 4,000 miles of border with Canada?

With all the problems we face here at home, doesn't it make the most sense to fix real problems here at home, before racing off to more War in the Middle East? MAGA?

7   Strategist   2017 Aug 5, 4:22pm  

errc says

With all the problems we face here at home, doesn't it make the most sense to fix real problems here at home, before racing off to more War in the Middle East? MAGA?

We can do both at the same time. Fix our problems at home, and work towards fixing the Islamic problem. The Islamic problem has actually become our problem at home.

8   anonymous   2017 Aug 6, 6:48am  

Strategist says

errc says

With all the problems we face here at home, doesn't it make the most sense to fix real problems here at home, before racing off to more War in the Middle East? MAGA?

We can do both at the same time. Fix our problems at home, and work towards fixing the Islamic problem. The Islamic problem has actually become our problem at home.

What are we waiting for?

What is the big hold up on working to fix the domestic problems?

What I've learned over time is that for people that suck at getting anything done, it's best to start slow and realistic. In this case, that means put The deserts from halfway across the globe, and their savages, on the back burner. Focus the energy on taking some more simple tasks to completion here at home. Make this country great again, so it's worth saving, before getting all riled up to send someone else's children off to the unwinnable wars.

Yous are doing this all wrong

9   Strategist   2017 Aug 6, 9:48am  

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

With all the problems we face here at home, doesn't it make the most sense to fix real problems here at home, before racing off to more War in the Middle East? MAGA?

We can do both at the same time. Fix our problems at home, and work towards fixing the Islamic problem. The Islamic problem has actually become our problem at home.

What are we waiting for?

What is the big hold up on working to fix the domestic problems?

I don't know. Maybe the problems are too immense and complicated to solve right away. Both parties are at fault here.

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