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So, much hatred... from all sides.

Mob pulls down Confederate statue in NC and jumps on it:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-pulled-down-north-carolina-trnd/index.html

What happens when the left finally decides Martin Luther King Jr was not extreme enough and guilty of appeasement?

georgeliberte says

What happens when the left finally decides Martin Luther King Jr was not extreme enough and guilty of appeasement?

The right will threaten violence and root for The State to take them out, while sitting at their computer like the eunuchs they are. Obviously

Sexual frustration is a terrible thing, and let me tell you, it's very simple to rectify. Unless you're a uber beta Statist cuck, it seems. Then you blame the blacks and Jews for taking all the good white girls. And opt instead for getting into bed with neo nazis

It doesn't have to be this way. The world is what you make it

Why does America have holocaust monuments at all? This is a legitimate question. Holocaust did not happen here, and Jews have generally been treated very well in America.

Before you go off on me as anti-Semitic, note that I'm technically Jewish because my grandma converted when marrying grandpa (who was ethnically Jewish) and mom was raised Jewish. Been to Israel and happy that it exists.

Would be very fitting to have monuments to American Indians killed:

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/26/california-native-americans-genocide-490824.html

But these are inconvenient facts and besides they are the unimportant minority.

rando says

Why does America have holocaust monuments at all?

Probably the same reason that we have European paintings and Dinosaurs in our museums. WWII, Vietnam, and the Korean war didn't happen in the continental US, but we have monuments for those as well. The holocaust was one of a couple of driving forces in one of the biggest and most existentially threatening wars in our history. IMO, the purpose of museums and monuments is to commemorate and show our common history of events and things that shape our culture and what is worth fighting for. The holocaust is pretty high on the list of things to commemorate.

I do find it interesting that Charleston, SC put a holocaust memorial in a prominent location in a downtown square. One might think that a monument dedicated to remembering slavery would be more relevant. OTOH, the Holocaust was an evil committed by someone else's ancestors, so the memorial is less likely to make a Charleston native feel bad.

YesYNot says

One might think that a monument dedicated to remembering slavery would be more relevant. OTOH, the Holocaust was an evil committed by someone else's ancestors, so the memorial is less likely to make a Charleston native feel bad.

True. Charleston should more logically have a slavery memorial instead of a holocaust memorial. But that would make the local people more likely to feel bad, not good.

YesYNot says

WWII, Vietnam, and the Korean war didn't happen in the continental US, but we have monuments for those as well. The holocaust was one of a couple of driving forces in one of the biggest and most existentially threatening wars in our history.

Monuments to wars the US fought in make sense, but the holocaust was not actually a significant factor in the US decision to join the war. It was not even widely known to be happening at the time.

georgeliberte says

What happens when the left finally decides Martin Luther King Jr was not extreme enough and guilty of appeasement?

They'll fight to have all the ghetto blvd's names changed to Hillary Clinton Blvd.

You have to be seriously messed up if a statue affects your mental state.

komputodo says

You have to be seriously messed up if a statue affects your mental state.

The statue of "The Merked Reggin " on the Atlantic City boardwalk always puts a smile on my face

rando says

but the holocaust was not actually a significant factor in the US decision to join the war. It was not even widely known to be happening at the time.

Hitler's rise to power provoked Einstein to come to the US. Einstein's letter to the president contributed to the decision to start the Manhattan project. Fermi immigrated from Italy to escape racial laws in that country, and Fermi was arguably the most influential person in the Manhattan project. So, here you have two very influential people in helping us win the war and who were two of the most famous scientists of the 20th century (maybe Sagan is up there with them). These were two immigrants who came to the US to flee the Jewish persecution movement in Europe. That Jewish persecution culminated in the Holocaust. By the way, I believe that in addition to giving us the bomb, the flight of scientists to the US from Europe had a lot to do with our economic success post WWII. So, the antisemitism greatly shaped our country's arc.

In addition to the practical aspects of the Jewish immigrants, there is a purely moral argument for remembering the Holocaust. On moral grounds alone, you might argue that there could be memorials to those killed by Stalin and others for that matter. I think that if we fought and beat Stalin instead of allying with him in WWII, there might be monuments to commemorate those killed by him. It's more difficult politically to do that sort of thing.

YesYNot says

there might be monuments to commemorate those killed by him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy%C5%84_Memorial_(Jersey_City)

They are more rare and receive less publicity, but memorials to Communist atrocities do exist.

rando says

Why does America have holocaust monuments at all? This is a legitimate question.

What reason is there for any historical museum or memorial? To remember, understand, and learn.

The reason the memorial is there is to remind us of exactly this type of racial identity hate that has torn the world apart before, and the penalty nations and people will pay, if they idly stand by and allow hate to grow. It reinforces our understanding of what forms the backbone of American unity: our ideals and beliefs as Americans.

That's why the memorial is there.

It's there so I can see what my family fought to stop, defeated, and how previous generations upheld our way of life by making ultimate sacrifices. It's there so we can see an exemplar of the enemy of Democracy and freedom. It's there so that we may recognize it, always.