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Will you at least concede that Donald Trump's purported business skills were BS?

By iwog following x   2017 Aug 18, 10:57am 764 views   27 comments   watch   quote     share  

When you've fired nearly everyone in your own administration before the first year is even over, clearly your abilities as a manager are shit.

Is anyone going to dispute this without also claiming Donald Trump is some sort of divine demigod?

This isn't 4D chess. This is 52-card pickup and the deck is missing 3 cards.

1 YesYNot   2017 Aug 18, 11:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

This is 52-card pickup and the deck is missing 3 cards.

lol at that one.

2 WorkInProgress   2017 Aug 18, 11:29am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

Bask in the glory.

Every snake in the DC swamp hates Trump. Good enough for me to keep supporting him. You really think the Dems care about you? hahahahababababa

3 iwog   2017 Aug 18, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WorkInProgress says

Every snake in the DC swamp hates Trump. Good enough for me to keep supporting him. You really think the Dems care about you? hahahahababababa

So what is Trump good at again? The only reason you support him now is that people hate him? Do you know how ridiculous that view is?

4 jazz_music   2017 Aug 18, 11:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Yes, and bullshitting is the major skill for selling whatever you got.

The sizzle. Live the dream. Tell them exactly whatever you know they want to hear.

Watch the movie classic again, Glengary Glenross, it's what they called "being a man."

5 WorkInProgress   2017 Aug 18, 11:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

iwog says

WorkInProgress says

Every snake in the DC swamp hates Trump. Good enough for me to keep supporting him. You really think the Dems care about you? hahahahababababa

So what is Trump good at again? The only reason you support him now is that people hate him? Do you know how ridiculous that view is?

No. Do you know how ridiculous it is to support the same politicians your whole life? You want change? Change the people you support. There isn't one damn person in DC that cares a wit about you. You're a sucker. The media is the tell. 24/7 anti Trump and you lick it up like a porn star on audition.

6 WookieMan   2017 Aug 18, 11:46am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

I don't know if I'd say his business skills are BS. Obviously had some massive failures in there, so I'm not saying he was a success considering what he started with. But his business skills being BS would have probably resulted in him losing all his money and not even being a famous person right out of the gate with Daddy's money.

I'd say his form of Bull Shitting skills are not suited for politics. He's used to having an inner circle that is completely isolated and controlled by him via payment. He doesn't have that as a politician. The fact he didn't see this coming definitely shows a lack of understanding of how things were going to play out. I know someone will come along and say he knows what he's doing and this is all a plan. But at this point, you can't deny his foray into politics has been a failure. Didn't vote for him, but was definitely hopeful of a different outcome so far.

7 WorkInProgress   2017 Aug 18, 11:48am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Name one person that is going to straighten the country out. You can't. The country, imo, is lost. Book it.

8 jazz_music   2017 Aug 18, 11:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WorkInProgress says

Name one person that is going to straighten the country out.

You

9 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 18, 11:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WorkInProgress says

Name one person that is going to straighten the country out. You can't. The country, imo, is lost. Book it.

Kamala Harris and Cory Booker, brown people who will save the day against the unreconstructed stale pale white male patriarchy, and their dangerous Rifles and Canadian Drugs.

The only white males you can trust are at Amazon, Google, and Merck!

10 iwog   2017 Aug 18, 11:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WorkInProgress says

No. Do you know how ridiculous it is to support the same politicians your whole life?

Are you unhappy? Living in the gutter? Hopeless about the future?

People are always striving to make things better, balance inequities, get more for less. It's human nature. However don't try to sell me on the idea that the USA was a cesspool of rotting flesh and something better be done before America becomes literal Hitler. I support politicians who are going in the right direction. I don't support politicians who are total failures and might get a million people killed because he has a twitter tantrum.

You bet on a loser and he lost. The fault is yours.

11 iwog   2017 Aug 18, 11:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

WookieMan says

But his business skills being BS would have probably resulted in him losing all his money and not even being a famous person right out of the gate with Daddy's money.

He did.

In the 1990s he was totally bankrupt. The only reason he got out of it was his father came into a casino and bought millions of dollars of casino chips and just sat on them. Also banks had written him a bunch of signature loans, over $100 million if I remember, and they didn't want the bad publicity so they bailed him out.

After those events he changed his business model to fraud and extortion. Trump has no skills. He's a trust baby clown.

12 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 18, 12:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

And then he made billions of dollars, brought a shitload more properties, and produced one of the most successful television shows in history.

13 WookieMan   2017 Aug 18, 12:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

In the 1990s he was totally bankrupt. The only reason he got out of it was his father came into a casino and bought millions of dollars of casino chips and just sat on them. Also banks had written him a bunch of signature loans, over $100 million if I remember, and they didn't want the bad publicity so they bailed him out.

I know this and understand. But what I'm saying if his business skills were truly BS, I don't think he would have made it through the 70's and most the 80's successfully. Yes Daddy helped him then to get started, but he could have easily fallen on his face during those decades even with the help and lost it all if he truly sucked at it. Yes, bankruptcy did ultimately happen, but I don't think doing something successfully for 15-20 year equates to a lifetime failure.

I'm definitely not saying he's some accomplished businessman for my children to aspire to be like on a personality basis, but he did okay with Dad's money for close to two decades. Obviously some trust fund kids do better with lesser then Don had, but some do worse as well. This is not a statement in support of him, but I know some families I grew up with that had 7-8 figure net worth numbers in their 60's and the kids are deadbeats. Even with a bankruptcy in there, he ended up with some money at the end of it.

14 komputodo   2017 Aug 18, 12:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

I support politicians who are going in the right direction.

And that direction is keeping stocks pumped up and RE too...fuck the working stiffs, vets, seniors on fixed income and the homeless.

15 WineHorror   2017 Aug 18, 12:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

I think we will wind up with full blown socialism. Think about it. Endless immigrants, tech putting everyone out of work plus anything worth owning or starting (business) is either already owned or the industries are already monopolized.

I am convinced that capitalism leads to socialism/fascism which leads to communism/totalinarianism and then once that breaks down we either go back to capitalism or totalitarianism.

16 jazz_music   2017 Aug 18, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WineHorror says

I think we will wind up with full blown socialism.

If that is what you call people getting direct societal benefit from their taxes, then do you call all the tax benefits to corporations and military fascism?

I don't want to be in the position of begging for generosity from the likes of Exxon Mobile and Goldman Sachs.

17 iwog   2017 Aug 18, 2:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

komputodo says

And that direction is keeping stocks pumped up and RE too...fuck the working stiffs, vets, seniors on fixed income and the homeless.

Nope, that's the wrong direction. That's what you got when you put Republicans in charge. I can name the policies point by point.

18 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Aug 18, 2:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Based on one and only relevant measure - wealth - his business skills are million times better than, say, iwog's.

19 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 18, 2:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

iwog says

Nope, that's the wrong direction. That's what you got when you put Republicans in charge. I can name the policies point by point.

What's the Democratic Plan? More Subsidies for Health Insurance Companies and forcing everybody to recite Assatta Shakur's Vows like BLM Members do?

Right now the Democratic Party seems more interested in purging the Confederacy from public display and other book-burning-esque displays of fanaticism.

Remember when Hillary was first campaigning in late 2015, and she was railing against "Free Stuff" when Bernie mentioned his College Plan? What is the Democratic Platform besides "HA! HA! Whites will be a minority by 2042"?

If the Democrats stand for lower Drug Prices, reigning in Banks, and bringing back good paying, non-Asswiping non-Coffee Serving Jobs, I sure haven't seen it.

20 JZ   2017 Aug 18, 3:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

In science/engineering, the order of the system is defined as the "memory". If the system can only recall data from yesterday, it is low order system. If the system uses state/data/input from 10 years back, it is high order system. Higher order systems' response is a result of both long history and "current input".
Nation/human are definitely higher order sysyems.

Trump is only "current" input the the system "response" is determined by long history as well as current input.

If one uses "current" response of a high order system to quantify/judge effectiveness of "current" input, one makes the mistake of treating a high order system as a low order system.

21 RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2017 Aug 18, 3:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

i don't see you a multi-billionaire and owner of a company hiring tens of thousands.

firing and leaving are due to non productive fighting with the democrats which they started.

22 Booger   2017 Aug 18, 3:47pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

Iwog is jealous of Trumps wealth. Iwog would probably be poor of he didn't marry a rich lawyer

25 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 18, 6:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

This thread is masturbation for Democrats.

I'm running for cover before the money shot.

26 bob2356   2017 Aug 18, 9:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

SpecialSnowflake says

Based on one and only relevant measure - wealth - his business skills are million times better than, say, iwog's.

When you start with 300 million wealth isn't very hard to accumulate. Since no one knows what he is actually worth how do you know how much business skills he has? He did manage to bankrupt a casino chain.

27 komputodo   2017 Aug 18, 10:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Nope, that's the wrong direction. That's what you got when you put Republicans in charge. I can name the policies point by point.

Policies or actual results? I know we had some of those "green shoots" about 8 years ago but I think the drought killed them. We do have former $8 an hour workers getting paid $15 and former $30 an hour workers getting paid $15. Both probably without employer paid health care.

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