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Should Nazi's be kicked off the internet

By tovarichpeter following x   2017 Aug 19, 11:03am 869 views   32 comments   watch   quote     share  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-stormer-go-daddy-cloudflare-google-free-speech_us_5996ed9fe4b0a2608a6bce3c?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Semitic, homophobic and misogynistic content since it was founded in 2013. But this week, after a deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, several tech companies effectively kicked the site off the internet.Some of the companies that stopped doing business with The Daily Stormer argued that the website violated their terms of service by inciting violence, which major internet companies prohibit. But a CEO at of one of those firms sent an email to stafferson Wednesday that frankly acknowledged what other tech companies have refused to admit

1 c0nfused   2017 Aug 19, 11:08am   ↑ like (4)   ↑ dislike (4)     quote        

“On the Internet, any tactic used now to silence neo-Nazis will soon be used against others, including people whose opinions we agree with,” the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit digital rights group, wrote in a statement.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-free-expression

2 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 19, 11:20am   ↑ like (6)   ↑ dislike (6)     quote        

No. Monopolies need to be broken. And there needs to be a law guaranteeing 1st Amendment Protections on blogs and social media that supercedes any Corporate TOS.

3 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 19, 12:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Nazis yes, but they need a trial first. It would be interesting to know who's putting the Clown in the Dunk tank!

This is America and everyone deserves their due process. Sometimes bigger indictments come out of them too.

Drain the Swamp and take the Boogeymen with them. KKK NAZI ISIS all of them.

4 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 19, 12:29pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

bob2356 says

So you want freedom except freedom of private corporations to decide how to run their business unless it agrees with your views on how their business should be run. Perfect. I can certainly see why you are a trumpbot. Do you ever actually read what you post?

What was the Equal Time Rule about, Bob?

Do you think it's healthy democracy for 90% of National Media to be owned by a handful of Corporations, in turn owned by a handful of Oligarchs like Jeff Bezos and Carlos Slim?

How about our internet infrastructure being owned by private companies who can unilateral decide to cut off somebody's website?
Why does Facebook shut down certain User Accounts, but allows ISIS users to post endless head chopping videos?
Do you think US Companies should enforce German Laws?
Do you support Apple and others enforcing Chinese Communist Laws?

Sad. And not very liberal at all.

5 WineHorror   2017 Aug 19, 1:06pm   ↑ like (4)   ↑ dislike (4)     quote        

What kind of dumbass question is that? Of course the answer is no. We need more sites like Patrick.net that do not censor. If commentors break the law, let law enforcement deal with it.

6 WineHorror   2017 Aug 19, 1:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

And there needs to be a law guaranteeing 1st Amendment Protections on blogs and social media that supercedes any Corporate TOS.

You really don't understand how the first amendment thing works do you?

So you want freedom except freedom of private corporations to decide how to run their business unless it agrees with your views on how their business should be run. Perfect. I can certainly see why you are a trumpbot. Do you ever actually read what you post?

Watch a documentary called "The Corporation". I think that will answer all your questions. Just so you know, government in partnership with corporations own your ass. Wake up man!!

7 Strategist   2017 Aug 19, 1:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

tovarichpeter says

Should Nazi's be kicked off the internet

No. For the same reason Islamists should not be barred. It's fun to kick their ass.

8 bob2356   2017 Aug 19, 1:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

What was the Equal Time Rule about, Bob?

Usage of the public airwaves. You didn't know that? What does this have to do private companies deciding how to run their business? Zero.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Do you think it's healthy democracy for 90% of National Media to be owned by a handful of Corporations, in turn owned by a handful of Oligarchs like Jeff Bezos and Carlos Slim?

Very interesting you left out Sinclair, Murdoch, etc.. Conservative media owners don't bother you? No of course not.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

How about our internet infrastructure being owned by private companies who can unilateral decide to cut off somebody's website?

Why does Facebook shut down certain User Accounts, but allows ISIS users to post endless head chopping videos?

Do you think US Companies should enforce German Laws?

Do you support Apple and others enforcing Chinese Communist Laws?

Sad. And not very liberal at all.

Contradict yourself much? You want the US government to pass laws saying what private companies should do with their customers which would be good but Germaan and Chinsese laws telling private companies what to do with their customers are bad. Sorry dude you can't have it both ways.

9 bob2356   2017 Aug 19, 1:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

WineHorror says

Just so you know, government in partnership with corporations own your ass. Wake up man!!

The government is NOT in partnership with corporations. Corporations own a good percentage of the lawmakers lock, stock, and barrel. You didn't get the memo? Wake up man!!

10 ThreeBays   2017 Aug 19, 2:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

First amendment protects only from being prosecuted for speech . It places no obligation on private citizens or entities to accommodate all free speech.

11 Dan8267   2017 Aug 19, 2:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

tovarichpeter says

Should Nazi's be kicked off the internet

Define Nazi. Is a Nazi someone who calls himself a Nazi or someone who pushes the Nazi agenda while calling it family values and calling himself a republican?

12 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 19, 2:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

bob2356 says

Usage of the public airwaves. You didn't know that? What does this have to do private companies deciding how to run their business? Zero.

You realize the internet was a government invention and the fiber optic cable lines were almost entirely paid for by the taxpayer, right?

It's actually MORE valid for the government to protect free speech on the Internet, since the Government didn't build the atmosphere or the antennae of radio or tv stations to transmit over it.

bob2356 says

Very interesting you left out Sinclair, Murdoch, etc.. Conservative media owners don't bother you? No of course not.

Murdoch bothers me plenty - and especially his sons and their wives, who are total Economist Neoliberal Globalist types.

bob2356 says

Contradict yourself much? You want the US government to pass laws saying what private companies should do with their customers which would be good but German and Chinsese laws telling private companies what to do with their customers are bad. Sorry dude you can't have it both ways.

Bob, let me get this straight:

The US Government prohibiting US companies from cutting off people's speech is the same as Germany and China getting US companies to cut off people's speech.

Or that monopolistic US Companies can arbitrarily ban some Users and Sites for some speech but not other users and Sites for some speech that also clearly violates the TOS.

I think most people can tell the difference and spot the problem.

13 lostand confused   2017 Aug 19, 2:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Are you referring to feminazis?

14 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 19, 3:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Ahhhhhh the Nazi's gonna get me!

15 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 19, 3:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

lostand confused says

Are you referring to feminazis?

I'm more skerred of them.

16 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Aug 19, 3:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

According to what law?

17 YesYNot   2017 Aug 19, 7:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

I'd say no. First, I'm guessing it's easier to track them off they are in the open. Second, even if private companies do dns, the internet is a public good and has to remain free. Third, as Dan says, who gets to decide what is acceptable? It can't just be whatever makes business sense.

18 deepcgi   2017 Aug 19, 10:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

maybe it should be illegal to marry within your own race.

19 Goran_K   2017 Aug 19, 11:22pm   ↑ like (5)   ↑ dislike (5)     quote        

The left simply hates the Constitution. The 1st and 2nd amendment are something leftist would gut today if they could.

I believe now that the left is far more dangerous than any enemy faced by the US. Imperial Japan, the Soviets, radical Islam (an ally of the left) are nothing compared to the internal enemy that leftist represent.

22 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 20, 8:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

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23 bob2356   2017 Aug 20, 8:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

bob2356 says

Usage of the public airwaves. You didn't know that? What does this have to do private companies deciding how to run their business? Zero.

You realize the internet was a government invention and the fiber optic cable lines were almost entirely paid for by the taxpayer, right?

You realize that airwaves are a limited commodity legally considered public sector that is allocated to companies willing to follow the rules set up in the public interest and bandwidth has no practical limits other than the amount of spending right? Why does who paid have any bearing on scarcity of resources which is the issue. Try to focus. I'm sorry if this is a hard concept for you.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Bob, let me get this straight:

The US Government prohibiting US companies from cutting off people's speech is the same as Germany and China getting US companies to cut off people's speech.

Or that monopolistic US Companies can arbitrarily ban some Users and Sites for some speech but not other users and Sites for some speech that also clearly violates the TOS.

I think most people can tell the difference and spot the problem.

Get it straight? I can't even translate it to english. What the hell are you saying? Companies can ban whoever they want. The first amendment doesn't apply. Sorry the law of the land as confirmed many times by the supreme court doesn't work for you. Maybe try your luck in some other country.

24 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 20, 8:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

bob2356 says

You realize that airwaves are a limited commodity legally considered public sector that is allocated to companies willing to follow the rules set up in the public interest and bandwidth has no practical limits other than the amount of spending right? Why does who paid have any bearing on scarcity of resources which is the issue. Try to focus. I'm sorry if this is a hard concept for you.

Yep. But the Taxpayer paid for pretty much the entire core fiber optic infrastructure, and the basic protocols behind the internet. Including the HTML/Browser idea, which was invented via Taxpayers of many nations funding CERN. Dan is a big fan of Tim Berners Lee, the employee of this taxpayer funded multinational project.

We also fund the airports, maybe we should let the airlines discriminate as to which passengers they'll take based wholly on their beliefs.

You're basically saying people can be kicked off an entire medium if a handful of companies don't like what they say. It already happened to Stormfront.

It's hilarious you put up a Diner Sign supporting racial discrimination. "You can't be discriminated against for your skin color, only if you have a very unpopular idea."

Bob, are you a liberal or a member of the #AltLeft? You can't even be a Progressive if you don't acknowledge monopolies need to be reigned in.

25 FortWayne   2017 Aug 20, 8:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

They should also kick out left wing media inciting stupidity and violence among the left... mother jones, daily beast, and other bullshit sites. That would be a nice compromise, unconstitutional, but beneficial.

26 komputodo   2017 Aug 20, 9:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

I wouldn't worry about anyone getting kicked off the internet. There's always a work around and in the end the "kicker" always seems to come out with the short end of the stick and the "kickee" gains a bigger fan base.. so fuck 'em.

27 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 20, 10:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

komputodo says

I wouldn't worry about anyone getting kicked off the internet. There's always a work around and in the end the "kicker" always seems to come out with the short end of the stick and the "kickee" gains a bigger fan base.. so fuck 'em.

This goes back to the more vengence than good tactics aspect of this #NaziSatanicPanic #AltLeft #MoralPanic. Banning something will make it cool. Making people unemployable will make them more fanatic, because now they really have an undeniable reason to "hate the system", and nothing to lose by being criminal or violent.

28 errc   2017 Aug 21, 7:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

If there were Nazis causing trouble in a Socialist country, half a world away, would you support sending our military to combat them?

If a young male fanatic crashed his car into a pile of innocent people in A Middle East Muslin county, would you feign outrage and demand action?

So why is it that, when the same things happen on our own soil, against our own people, do you brush away concern, as fringe AltLeft hysteria?

Very odd to put country second

31 Dan8267   2017 Aug 21, 8:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

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