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A real liberal explains why Hillary lost and why the left will die

By Dan8267 following x   2017 Aug 20, 2:54pm 1,010 views   18 comments   watch   quote     share  

For all the people who still can't distinguish between liberals and the left, here's a real liberal making the distinction.

Sam Harris Answers Why Trump Won

Sam Harris: This is how the left will die

The left and the right are virtually identical. Liberals like Sam Harris don't remotely resemble either of those two conservative tribes. And those two conservative tribes are going to tear America apart unless people start embracing liberalism.


1 Dan8267   2017 Aug 20, 10:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Related video...

2 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 20, 11:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Good points by Sam Harris. Love the Graphics in the videos, too.

3 Dan8267   2017 Aug 20, 11:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Also related...

Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'

The left-wing "Antifa" movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.

"As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were," Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. "It's a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant."

We liberals want nothing to do with the left or Antifa.

4 YesYNot   2017 Aug 21, 4:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Antifa and the stifling of speech on college campuses is not right. Antifa get's the anti-fascist part right, but the communism, anarchy, and violent methods are pretty easy to condemn. I don't really associate the Clinton's with that, though, and the Clinton foundation accepting cash from various places wasn't a reason to vote Trump, IMO. Even if the Comey fiasco tipped the election, it's still Clinton's fault for letting it get that close. Dore (and Harris to a small extent) confused the issue a bit by not stating explicitly that those are two separate questions.

Calling Trump a racist was counterproductive for the following reason. Everybody who thinks Trump is not a racist felt that Clinton was calling them a racist every time they heard it. It didn't help that she called half of them deplorable (racist), which, IMO, is pretty accurate, but incredibly dumb. Let's face it, 99% of people think that they are not racist. 99.9% will say that they are not racist. Trump says he is the least racist person you will ever meet. The word racist has lost a lot of it's meaning. It would be interesting and probably more productive to try to discuss the issue without using the word.

5 Dan8267   2017 Aug 21, 8:16am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'

Wow, the trolls hate me so much that they even dislike posts of mine that support their positions like Antifa sucks. I really butt hurt them. It makes me smile to realize how much emotional pain I caused those #snowflakes.

6 WookieMan   2017 Aug 21, 11:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Wow, the trolls hate me so much that they even dislike posts of mine that support their positions like Antifa sucks. I really butt hurt them. It makes me smile to realize how much emotional pain I caused those #snowflakes.

Dan, I have no problem with you. On most topics you are very articulate in your presentation and analysis. I don't always agree, but no two people will agree on everything. But why do you even acknowledge a dislike like this? You know they clicked dislike to troll you. This then starts a domino effect (I never remember if it's a or e, so don't care if it's wrong). Whether you're right or wrong on anything, they got the reaction they wanted out of you with the comment you made. Whether you think you hit them hard with your response or not, they already won. I mean, it was just a dislike, not even a comment.

My take is just ignore it. But you've been commenting here substantially longer then I have, so maybe you're finding this an effective way to deal with it. I just keep seeing the same pattern over and over though as a mostly outside observer. Some of the trolls mainly just want a response and you give it to them a lot of the time.

7 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 21, 12:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

We liberals want nothing to do with the left or Antifa.

Can you find a Democrat to disown Antifa? Frankly, Perez was encouraging the statue and antifa activism generally .

8 Dan8267   2017 Aug 21, 12:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says

But why do you even acknowledge a dislike like this?

Because I know it means I got their goat. It points out how petty they are. Other than that dislikes mean nothing.

9 Dan8267   2017 Aug 21, 12:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Can you find a Democrat to disown Antifa?

Well, I'm not a democrat, but I suspect most people registered with that party do think Antifa are a bunch of assholes. I sure do. Noam Chomsky does. Are there any prominent democrats supporting Antifa? If there are, they are wrong.

10 jazz_music   2017 Aug 21, 2:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Dan8267 says

I'm not a democrat, but I suspect most people registered with that party do think Antifa are a bunch of assholes. I sure do

Democrats are supposed to be the enemy of my enemy. Yeah they have sold us out, that's how deals happen in Washington DC. Give me a third party that might have a chance to win. I volunteered for Ross Perot, who I didn't even completely agree with, what the fuck more do you want from me?

Antifa are little groups of anarchist-like people that decry the fascism we really do have. Maybe some of them are assholes. Since we really do have fascism you can't expect people not to be miserable about it. The name Antifa and the Antifa movement is originally from Europe if you look it up.

Angry little groups evidently broke laws and injured someone and damaged this and that I don't know, it doesn't mean they don't have any point at all. What does that mean? --that all we need is more cops with greater power, more military tactics and bigger prisons? No. We need to stop ignoring the need to fix our society. Specifically we need to displace corporate America from the driver's seat of OUR government.

Crime itself is low where people have decent government and good chances to work jobs that don't undermine their survival.

No I'm not going to provide links to some writer for everything I said.

11 jazz_music   2017 Aug 21, 2:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

BLM is a similar situation, maybe in time people that live in decent areas will be aware of how the system preys upon poor areas and again displace some powerful fucks from the driver's seat of their government to correct abuses. Which seem to consist of the enforcement system making a plush time for itself at the expense of those who can least stop them because those who can are not interested so far.

Civil oversight can correct the whole game: police will have a tantrum and then the problems will go away.

12 mell   2017 Aug 21, 7:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

You are making the mistake of calling them conservative. They are both authoritarian/socialist/fascist. The original liberal burgeoisie was roughly 'conservative', which doesn't mean no change as it is attributed today. In order to protect a functioning world, you need to make changes, but only carefully thought out.

14 steverbeaver   2017 Aug 22, 12:15am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

To me the antifas are an amalgam of dittohead communist pawns, or more succinctly the "useful idiots". They are exploited for manipulation by either their racial hatred or hate of success, depending on the mark. Yet they scream "equality!". That you don't want to be swept up by the crowd, to maintain your independence of thought and values, to make your own decisions, is very much "right wing". So on behalf of my side, let me welcome you to the Right Wing! Congratulations!

The cognitive dissonance may be hard to get through but you will!

BTW, has anyone else noticed that now that they (the left) have completely hijacked "progressive" they are now trying to hijack "redneck"? What other terms have you noticed?

15 BlueSardine   2017 Aug 22, 12:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
uh......hi dan.
I like the new Patrick.Net!!
16 BlueSardine   2017 Aug 22, 12:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Now to address your topic:
The videos are too long. Please provide a synopsis of each feature length film so busy people such as myself can properly digest the content in an efficient manner.
17 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 12, 12:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
So as a white male I am pretty much beyond any kind of equality protection. But I wonder why I should not receive protection as a Buddhist? It is not a racial thing, but then is Judaism or Islam actually a racial designation?
18 Ceffer   2017 Sep 12, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
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