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RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS AVG 337 ATTACKS PER YEAR SINCE 9/11 & CAUSED 254 FATALITIES

By jazz_music following x   2017 Aug 21, 4:17pm 1,820 views   81 comments   watch   quote     share  

Muslim extremists were responsible for 50 deaths in the United States during this same time period. I'm not saying that muslims are to be trusted, just focus on right wing violence for a minute and recognize that it really is a threat.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/20/1690784/-The-presumed-innocence-of-white-terrorism?detail=emaildkre

Don't refocus to left wing violence either because that is not the subject and it doesn't add up anyways even though lately it has been huge in the fake news and with faked occurrences and okay some real ones too.

Try reading the link, at least some of it. Stay on topic.

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42 WookieMan   2017 Aug 22, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

jazz_music says

The thousands? Really? I'd love proof of that.

god it's so easy to find too.

maybe someone will look it up for you!

You made the claim. If you can't support it, don't make it. And like I said, it doesn't matter. But you'll see below what I'm talking about.

jazz_music says

Who cares?

They were kind of dying out until the Obama era.

Again, who gives a flying fuck. The membership of the KKK is going to fluctuate up and down. And it's definitely not going to get significantly higher than it is now or than it was 100 years ago.

KKK with high membership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

From the above wiki link:

The second Klan was a formal fraternal organization, with a national and state structure. At its peak in the mid-1920s, the organization claimed to include about 15% of the nation's eligible population, approximately 4–5 million men.

KKK today: http://nypost.com/2016/06/30/the-ku-klux-klan-is-slowly-rising-again/

From the 2nd article linked:

The Alabama-based SPLC says there’s no evidence the Klan is returning to the strength of its heyday. It estimates the Klan has about 190 chapters nationally with no more than 6,000 members total, which would be a mere shadow of its estimated 2 million to 5 million members in the 1920s.

Is the article a year old? Sure. But your claim that they increased by the thousands is suspect. We're talking 6,000 total fucking estimated membership in 2016. It can double or triple and it's a statistically insignificant amount of extremely racist ass holes in a country of 300M plus. Let's say my easy google search info is wrong. Let's say membership is 50k nationwide (which it's not). That's 0.00016% of the population. 1 out of 6,000 people could be a member of the KKK, on the over exaggerated HIGH end. If you take the info from the 2nd article it's 0.00002%. Or 1 out of 50,000 people. Which is more accurate than my inflated number. But the point either way, they're essentially non-existent at this point.

The media is giving a platform to one of the statistically tiniest minorities in this country, the fucking KKK. I'm not sure what this is accomplishing besides the media being a free marketing platform for an extremely hateful group. I just don't get it. And by the way 200+ fatalities since 9/11 is chump change. 400+ people already killed in Chicago this YEAR ALONE.

So how about people start focusing on the actual fucking issues instead of giving credence to a dumb ass group that numbers 1 out of 50,000 fucking people. Maybe we should go after lightning strikes? http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.shtml Cause claiming "right wing" terror is a problem is about the same. I don't think spending time or resources on a lightening strike chance is really worth it. And if you actually don't give the KKK attention, they probably go away. That includes other extreme groups.

43 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 22, 7:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

marcus says

Two thoughts I'll share.

When right wing terrorists kill, they aren't right wing terrorists, they are simply mentally ill individuals. I know, I'm just as shocked as you that a right wing extremist could be mentally ill.

I've seen more than one article on brietbart about left wing brown shirts actually shoving people at a protest. So spare me your examples of right wing violence.

Perhaps you are just the most epic troll of all time?

If IWOG and Lotsof's actual first person reporting wasn't sufficient, and actual video like this:

Isn't sufficient, I suppose it's appropriate to say you are intentfully ignorant and wish to remain that way.

44 Fucking White Male   2017 Aug 22, 7:31am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

marcus says

Two thoughts I'll share.

When right wing terrorists kill, they aren't right wing terrorists, they are simply mentally ill individuals. I know, I'm just as shocked as you that a right wing extremist could be mentally ill.

I've seen more than one article on brietbart about left wing brown shirts actually shoving people at a protest. So spare me your examples of right wing violence.

Perhaps you are just the most epic troll of all time?

If IWOG and Lost and confused's actual first person reporting wasn't sufficient, and actual video like this:

Isn't sufficient, I suppose it's appropriate to say you are intentfully ignorant and wish to remain that way.

45 bob2356   2017 Aug 22, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says

Again, who gives a flying fuck. The membership of the KKK is going to fluctuate up and down.

You didn't read the title of the post did yoy? It said right wing extremists, not KKK. The KKK is only 1 small group of right wing extremists. But you knew that and posted all about how many KKK there were anyway. Ideology 100 Credibility 0.

WookieMan says

And by the way 200+ fatalities since 9/11 is chump change. 400+ people already killed in Chicago this YEAR ALONE

So we should end the war on terror since there were only 50 chump change islamic deaths? As you said
WookieMan says

if you actually don't give the (name your group) attention, they probably go away.

46 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 8:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jazz_music says

BTW both the recent crash death in Marseille and the deaths in Barcelona are now shown to NOT be Muslim terrorism.

Barcelona?! WHAT?!?!

Arrested Member says they were planning bigger attack, foiled only when their gas cannisters blew up by accident, ISIS claimed responsibility. Furthermore, the premature explosion involved bomb making material was similar to that used in Manchester and Paris and elsewhere.

Spain saw one of its most violent days in recent memory as a spate of incidents throughout the country appeared to be connected to a terror attack Thursday in Barcelona that left 13 people dead and more than 100 injured.
Authorities said they are working under the assumption that two other deadly events, a terrorist incident in the seaside city of Cambrils and a house explosion farther down the coast in Alcanar, were linked to the van attack in Barcelona that had ISIS taking credit


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/barcelona-suspect-admits-spanish-terror-150700412.html

The van careered along Las Ramblas last Thursday, leaving a trail of 13 dead and 120 injured from 34 countries.

Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack and a separate deadly assault, hours later, in the coastal resort of Cambrils, south of Barcelona.

In Cambrils, a car rammed passers-by and its occupants got out and tried to stab people. The five assailants, who were wearing what turned out to be fake explosive belts, were shot dead by police, while a Spanish woman died in the attack.

Police believe two other members of the cell died in Wednesday's explosion at the house in Alcanar, where police found 120 butane canisters they believed the group may have been planning to use for a big bomb attack.

The accidental explosion led them to change tactics, the police believe.

In little more than a year, Islamist militants have used vehicles as weapons to kill nearly 130 people in France, Germany, Britain, Sweden and Spain.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-suspected-barcelona-attack-plotters-appear-court-061800762.html

As police searched for the van driver, Spain's Prime Minister called it an act of "jihadi terrorism."


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/17/europe/barcelona-las-ramblas-van-hits-crowd/index.html

47 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 8:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

jazz_music says

I understand your question but Daily Kos is not completely hyper partisan. Exaggeration and spin yeah but the daily bullshit is owned by Fox, Limbaugh, talk radio bullies, Cato Foundation, Heritage foundation, and so many alt right sites like InfoWorld, Breitbart on and on.

Hahahah Whoohooo heeehheeehheee haha hoho.

Fuck, need paper towels and a refill on the coffee I just snorted all over the computer.

48 WookieMan   2017 Aug 22, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says

You didn't read the title of the post did yoy? It said right wing extremists, not KKK. The KKK is only 1 small group of right wing extremists. But you knew that and posted all about how many KKK there were anyway. Ideology 100 Credibility 0.

jazz_music says

Why was KKK rekindled in the thousands during the Obama era?

I was responding to jazz_music. Comment 18. So the title was not relevant to my comment. But you are correct. There are many tiny left and right extremest and hate groups out there. I was just addressing the one that supposedly increased by the thousands during Obama's tenure, the KKK. Over hyping a tiny fraction of a group is adding to the problem in my opinion. So that's why I addressed jazz's comment.

bob2356 says

So we should end the war on terror since there were only 50 chump change islamic deaths? As you said

Outside of our boarders? Yes, we probably should end it. I don't think the policies over the last 17 years or so, overseas, has thwarted attacks on our own soil. Probably has created more resentment towards the U.S. and will ultimately lead to more extremism.

Should the police and federal agencies continue to do what they can to stop extremism in any form? Absolutely. And that is kind of my point. We can keep throwing resources at a tiny, tiny minority, but it's impossible to eliminate it. Giving it more attention in all reality increases the urge for those in the group or looking to be a part of that group, to become more extreme.

It's the internet, but I apologize for my crass take on the situation. One murder or hate crime is awful, but I figured that was assumed. That was why I used the lightening analogy. One case is mother nature and the other is human nature. At some point, there's only so much you can do to control it. Do as much as you can, but some people are always going to hate and whether anyone likes it or not, it's what our country allows. Some people won't get off the golf course during a t buster. It's impossible to stop stupid.

49 drBu   2017 Aug 22, 8:38am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

I think the "database" https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/ is full of shit. I looked at a few cases, and any questionable and often even not questionable incidents are assigned to right-wing extremism.

Examples: Austin individual Stack who flew airplane into IRS building:

Wiki says that "In the note, he begins by expressing displeasure with the government, the bailout of financial institutions, politicians, the conglomerate companies of General Motors, Enron and Arthur Andersen, unions, drug and health care insurance companies, and the Catholic Church.[31] He then describes his life as an engineer; including his meeting with a poor widow who never got the pension benefits she was promised, the effect of the Section 1706 of Tax Reform Act of 1986 on independent contractor engineers, the September 11 attacks, airline bailouts that benefited only the airlines but not the suffering engineers and how a CPA he hired seemed to side with the government to take extra tax money from him".

To me, this may sound like a Bernie Sanders supporter with fairly reasonable grievances that nearly anyone can agree with, and not a right-wing lunatic. However, the "database" classifies this as right wing terrorism.

This: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/After-hourlong-standoff-armed-Liberty-County-man-3327907.php

which sounds like a typical Texas redneck domestic disturbance that happens here on a daily basis is classified as right-wing "militias".

Gavin Eugene Long who shot three cops in Louisiana because he was angry about police shooting blacks is also classified as "sovereign citizen" which under their classification is right wing. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-baton-rouge-shooter-20160717-snap-story.html

Basically, the article and their statistics is so full of crap that it is not even worth reading and considering. I looked at incidents in TX and LA and half of their right-wing stuff does not check out.

Edit: and no, I am not saying that there is no right wing terrorism. However, if one approaches the collection of statistics with the task to show that right-wing terrorism is as dangerous or more dangerous than Islamic terrorism, then outcome can be predicted before collecting the statistics, and it is not scientifically valid. This is where today's science education at Universities fails, as we now concentrate on "feelings" instead of "facts".

50 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Aug 22, 9:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Sooo, they say they love scientific data-driven approach to everything be it climate or deplorable kkk nazis, but time after time when asked for the data, all they provide is the conclusions, not the data itself. And when you point to the fact that some flash-based infographic is not exactly data in commonly understood terms they say that you simply don't want it bad enough. Remember that "climate scientist" fuck who woulnd't release his raw data even after court order claiming that it was somehow "lost"? Fucking typical.

51 drBu   2017 Aug 22, 9:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

SpecialSnowflake says

but time after time when asked for the data, all they provide is the conclusions, not the data itself

They do provide the data, but the problem is their interpretations/assignment, which is partisan beyond any reason, is biased towards proving that Islamic extremism is less dangerous than right-wing extremism, and in general does not make any sense. One thing that gives out their hyper-partisan approach is careful choice of time-span, as they picked it in the way that minimizes Islamic terrorism victim numbers. And yes, just providing a flash-based infographics is geared towards lazy people who can not use duckduckgo searches or wikipedia as a minimal, 10 minute search reveals that half of their assignments are bogus.

52 Dan8267   2017 Aug 22, 10:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

curious2 says

a cherry picked time period ending in 2014. Pick a round number, like 20 years, and Muslims have killed many more, and tried to kill even more than that. Last year alone, Muslims killed 50 at Orlando Pulse and wounded more than 80 including the bombings in NYC and NJ, and that doesn't even count other attempts that were foiled. And, as 2Scoops has pointed out repeatedy, Muslims comprise only 1% of the American population: their kill rate is vastly higher than their population share, just as Muslims are only 10% of the French population but 70% of the French prison population.

Also, regarding focus, Muslims' beliefs are essentially the same as KKK and Nazis; the only reason Muslims aren't called "right wing" today is because everyone else in the right wing hates them. The original Nazis agreed with the leading Muslims of their day that their doctrines were very similar, which is why 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS and earned a particular reputation for enthusiasticall...

All excellent points. Also, this is yet another similarity between the left and the right. In the 1940s, the right aligned itself with Islam. Today the left does. The left and the right have so much in common.

53 jazz_music   2017 Aug 22, 10:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says

The membership of the KKK is going to fluctuate up and down

Up especially in the last 3 year apparently:

The organized Ku Klux Klan movement saw a boost in its membership in 2017.

In fact more than half of today's Klans formed in the last three years.

Some 42 different Klan groups were active in 22 states as of June 2017, a slight increase from early 2016, according to a report from the Anti-Defamation League, a nonpartisan civil rights advocacy group.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2017-08-14/the-kkk-is-still-based-in-22-states-in-the-us-in-2017

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-kkk-idUSN0845822420070208

A lot of writers are quoting the SPLC data. On the brighter side, Klan membership is not as growing as greatly as it seemed the last time I looked up the subject.

But east of the Mississippi fuckin' A, it's a whole different country.

54 jazz_music   2017 Aug 22, 10:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

drBu says

their interpretations/assignment, which is partisan beyond any reason

Accurately said, the Daily Kos exists to appeal to a broadly anti-Republican audience. That doesn't mean they never have anything good to read, it means that when you read you apply a big filter, like with RT, like with Al Jazeera, and many more.

55 jazz_music   2017 Aug 22, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

drBu says

Austin individual Stack who flew airplane into IRS building:

Your cry "full of shit" is unfounded.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2010/02/seven_deadly_traits.html

surrounding himself with like-minded zealots may have been just as dangerous in the long run. In his insightful FBI study "The Lethal Triad," Dr. Kevin Gilmartin describes intellectual isolation as a key factor when extremists lash out violently. It's counterintuitive, but joining certain groups can be more isolating than living alone. Stack found a group that encouraged and validated the idea of avoiding taxation, which might have been difficult for him to sustain on his own.

Joseph Stack does fall into the right wing category of domestic terrorism.
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

On the national level, formal right-wing hate groups, such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat. Although efforts have been made by some extremist groups to reduce openly racist rhetoric in order to appeal to a broader segment of the population and to focus increased attention on antigovernment sentiment, racism-based hatred remains an integral component of these groups’ core orientations.

Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.

56 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 11:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

drBu says

10 minute search reveals that half of their assignments are bogus.

Thanks for taking a look at the those cases.

jazz_music says

Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.

Who was planning the other 5? Were these attacks conceived from among ~65% or ~1% of the population?

57 drBu   2017 Aug 22, 11:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jazz_music says

Your cry "full of shit" is unfounded.

How about Gavin Eugene Long?

58 jazz_music   2017 Aug 22, 11:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
drBu says
I am not saying that there is no right wing terrorism


There not only is right wing terrorism, but it is an increasing problem.
60 jazz_music   2017 Aug 22, 12:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
drBu says
Gavin Eugene Long

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/dark-constant-rage-25-years-of-right-wing-terrorism-in-united-states
anti-government extremist movements direct their anger at the government and there have always been people of color in these movements.
Indeed, the sovereign citizen movement in particular has unfortunately seen particularly strong growth within the African-American community in recent years. Two of the sovereign-citizen related incidents on this list, the LaPlace, Louisiana, shootings in 2012 and the Columbus, Ohio, bomb-making attempt in 2016, involved African-Americans. Two incidents not included on this list involved extremists who were primarily black nationalists but who had secondary sovereign citizen affiliations: the 2014 plot by two men to blow up the Gateway Arch and kill law enforcement officials in St. Louis, Missouri, and the 2016 deadly ambush killings of three police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
The militia movement has spent much of its history trying to distance itself from accusations of racism or white supremacy but in recent years much of the movement has willingly embraced a particular type of bigotry: anti-Muslim hatred. This Islamophobia has taken numerous forms, from armed protests in front of mosques to a major terrorist plot in October 2016 in Garden City, Kansas, where three militia members were arrested in connection with an alleged plot to blow up an apartment complex that primarily housed Muslim Somali-American residents. The militia movement could produce more such terror attempts aimed at Muslims in the future.
61 drBu   2017 Aug 22, 12:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Basically anything anti-government is classified as right-wing terrorism, even if the ideology, as in case of Gavin Long is nearly indistinguishable from BLM. Very convenient.

"Anti-government" is applicable also to left-wing anarchists, which according to this classification will fall under right wing. None of this makes any sense.

For Stack, he did not embrace any racial supremacy ideas, and his laments, as I said above, are indistinguishable from those of average Sanders voter.
62 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 22, 12:34pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
Pop Quiz Assholes!

63 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 3:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
drBu says
"Anti-government" is applicable also to left-wing anarchists, which according to this classification will fall under right wing. None of this makes any sense.

Right? Isn't Antifa the very definition of an anti-government organization.



Copkiller Asshat-a taught her how to fight? Lock her ass up before she shoots a cop, she announces her intent.
64 Dan8267   2017 Aug 22, 3:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
Tenpoundbass says


Wow, you are really equating the right not to have a pregnancy force onto a woman with the horrors of slavery in American history. How out of touch with reality are you?
65 WookieMan   2017 Aug 23, 2:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

http://www.saberlegion.org/

Membership in this group is increasing. We should keep an eye on it. Let's put it in the news every night for the next two weeks since they're gaining so much traction. Oh wait, these are people just living out some fantasy, yet the media will give the KKK (and others) all the press they need for their little fantasy.

I know it's apples to oranges, but this is how ridiculous the media looks to me. They're promoting a bunch of nerds with some fantasy view of how their lives are. 5,000 nitwits basically manipulating multi-million dollar corporations to give them free ads on their prime time morning and evening broadcast.

66 jazz_music   2017 Aug 23, 5:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says

Membership in this group is increasing.

Your link is to a group of performance artists of Star Wars fanatics who organize instruction and public gatherings FOR ENTERTAINMENT.

This is purely recreation.

67 marcus   2017 Aug 23, 5:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says

I suppose it's appropriate to say you are intentfully ignorant and wish to remain that way.

SO that's your example of left wing violence ? Some guy getting beat up by low life street punks while they yell about Trump ? Sure I was being a little sarcastic. But this thread is about hundreds of domestic killings done by right wing terrorists. And yes sure, people can debate exactly how many of those can be counted as right wing terrorists..

But my question to you would be, how many murders have been committed by left wing (politically motivated) terrorists ?

You're going to tell me that certain kinds of criminal dirtbags probably would vote democrat if they would vote (if they even legally could vote - i.e. of age and not felons), okay, Therefore that's left wing political violence ?

I'll accept you're argument as legit. Good job John - you really made your point. Brillant.

Fucking White Male says

If IWOG and Lost and confused's actual first person reporting wasn't sufficient

As for Antifa, I totally agree that they are stupid and hurting the cause of the left. That is If you even insist on calling a bunch of retarded anarchists "left wing." But still, how many have they killed ?

(note: the title of this thread refers to 254 right wing terrorist domestic killings)

68 marcus   2017 Aug 23, 6:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

So if I try to go to some talk on a college campus, and a bunch of SJWs or worse Antifa idiots yell at me or spit at me or shove me, this is what you guys want to call terrorism ?

The part that really gets me is the nonsense about how Antifa and or identity politcs groups are supposedly funded by George Soros. If that's true, it's interesting because the right wing loves it and it makes the left look bad. It's one of the things that made Trump's election possible. Is that what George Soros is all about?

I guess you guys think Soros is an idiot that backs left wing politics, but intentionally does it in ways that causes as much damage to the left as possible ? I'd say he's getting a pretty incredible bang for his buck, if he's trying to damage the left.

That seems believable to you ?

69 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 23, 6:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

marcus says

But my question to you would be, how many murders have been committed by left wing (politically motivated) terrorists ?

Several. Jeremy Christian, a mentally ill Bernie Supporter in Portland who talked about agent provocateuring violence against POCs/Muslims on Instagram, and to blame it on Trump Supporters. He violently threatened people on a train with a knife, and the two White Guys who attempted to stop him were stabbed to death.

Hodgkinson, who attempted to assassinate a Congressman and shot 5 people before committing suicide. Not mentally ill, Bernie Volunteer who wrote legible letters to his local newspaper and whose Zuckfuckbook page was filled with Anti-Conservative rhetoric.

New Black Panther Leftist Micah Johnson killed Five (5) Dallas Cops.

Mitchell Mormon Jr was shot while on a date by a bystander who heard him joke about voting for Trump in Atlanta.

This is all in the past year.

As the parties shift, we'll probably see a shift in Political Violence back towards Left-Wing Violence, which was endemic from the 50s to the early 80s.

Islamic Fundamentalist deaths already lead "anti-government" deaths, even though Muslims only make up 1% of the US Population.

It terms of non-fatal assaults, I wouldn't be surprised to see the #AltLeft in the lead from Seattle to Berkeley to DC. It's often difficult to target suspects in crowds, but anytime a Left Wing Nut throws rocks or urine bottles at a cop, that's an act of violence.

70 mell   2017 Aug 23, 6:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

marcus says

But my question to you would be, how many murders have been committed by left wing (politically motivated) terrorists ?

Left-wing violence greatly outnumbers right-wing violence in recent history. And If you go back further in history it doesn't change. Stalin, Mao and Pol-Pot, NK, Vietnam and communist/socialist purging in eastern Europe outnumber the Nazis by 10:1 in body count.

71 WookieMan   2017 Aug 23, 6:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jazz_music says

Your link is to a group of performance artists of Star Wars fanatics who organize instruction and public gatherings FOR ENTERTAINMENT.

This is purely recreation.

EXACTLY! 99.9% of what the KKK does is recreation. It's a club or group of like minded people that are ass holes. This star wars group just so happens to enjoy fake light saber fights. I'm sure a couple people in this saber fighting group will kill someone at some point during their life. But go ahead, keep giving the KKK the spotlight.

The KKK likes to get together and talk about racism. A fraction of the minority within this group might kill someone: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/white_extremist_murders_killed_at_least_60_in_u_s_since_1995.html

All racially motivated deaths are AWFUL!!!! But it's 3 per year, per a left leaning publication for the KKK! IT'S BAD, but 3 fucking murders per year basically means the KKK is defunct outside a few extreme, 2nd level, twisted, probably going to kill someone just for the fun of it anyway extremist! We have 300 million plus fucking people here! Are there other groups that contribute to violence of the white nationalist and nazi variety, OF COURSE! But we're talk about a fraction, of a fraction, of another even smaller fraction.

Let's talk about domestic violence that kills THOUSANDS per year. This one is geared towards women victims, but it's 3 DEAD A DAY! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/domestic-violence-nearly-three-u-s-women-killed-every-day-n745166

Let's talk about the opioid epidemic. Fucking 30,000 DEAD plus per year from drugs! Many of which are legal and prescribed by doctors who are supposed to help you stay ALIVE: https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

In 2015, 10,000 plus people DIED from drunk driving accidents! https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

Why are so many people, so easily distracted from the REAL problems at hand? There are dozens of other MUCH LARGER issues going on right now. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Nah! KKK is bad! No shit Sherlock! It's been that way for the last 30 years! I feel bad for a lot of people. Won't mention names. Keep giving the scumbags a platform and see what the results are.

72 marcus   2017 Aug 23, 7:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says

Left-wing violence greatly outnumbers right-wing violence in recent history.

Not if we're talking domestic killings.

But
I'm not trying to defend left wing crazies.

73 jazz_music   2017 Aug 24, 12:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says

Why are so many people, so easily distracted from the REAL problems at hand?

Because sudden overnight descent into fascist tyranny may well be at hand, the set up is there, all it takes is the will of the enemies within and any emergency to launch into it and boom no more fake news overnight, Trump approved only. Expanded militarization of police is not for no reason and neither is set up of all these "special" media outlets that Trump approves of.

74 mell   2017 Aug 24, 9:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jazz_music says

Because sudden overnight descent into fascist tyranny may well be at hand, the set up is there, all it takes is the will of the enemies within and any emergency to launch into it and boom no more fake news overnight, Trump approved only. Expanded militarization of police is not for no reason and neither is set up of all these "special" media outlets that Trump approves of.

If you leave the leftoid echo-chamber just for a few minutes then you'd see that pretty much any law passed in the past decades governing people's behavior, was some sort of "anti-discriminatory" law, we had gay marriage and weed (mostly) legalized and so on. There is ZERO evidence for a trend towards right-wing authoritarianism/fascism. There is, however a strong-trend towards left-wing, identity-politics (based on "feelings") authoritarianism/fascism. It is stunning to see people writing about "Nazi-threats" just because the same incredibly small fraction of Klansmen that has been periodically "marching" forever in smallest crowds is suddenly highlighted by the fake news media trying to drum up viewership and controversy at the expense of a united nation.

75 jazz_music   2017 Aug 24, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says

If you leave the leftoid echo-chamber

What is left wing about my statements?

I have standards about what I read. I don't read emotional appeals to patriotism or any of that. I don't excuse lies because my tribe is validated. I read lots of sources, and yeah I get email from Daily Kos even though I understand their anti-Republican mission because I too am anti-Republican, but if you knew what you were talking about you would know that that stance does not identify me as left wing. You don't know the difference between liberal and left.

mell says

There is, however a strong-trend towards left-wing, identity-politics (based on "feelings") authoritarianism/fascism.

That is not only false the words literally have no meaning to them.

There are feminists, blacks, Latinos and LGBTQ demonstrating over their grievances. Some laws have been passed to favor their grievances. Sorry if that irks you but these things are not real important when you look at the rhetoric about nuclear war, healthcare, the corporatism, gigs instead of job security, loss of the environment, corrupt practices, loss of real education opportunity and the rising prevalence of vocational training and the expense.

Strong? They have militias too? Their numbers are greater than the White Supremacists who advocate killing, hating, and suppressing jews, and many other minorities? Do they have representation in our executive branch of government too? Does the president grant privilege to their media?

76 errc   2017 Aug 24, 3:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says

jazz_music says

Because sudden overnight descent into fascist tyranny may well be at hand, the set up is there, all it takes is the will of the enemies within and any emergency to launch into it and boom no more fake news overnight, Trump approved only. Expanded militarization of police is not for no reason and neither is set up of all these "special" media outlets that Trump approves of.

If you leave the leftoid echo-chamber just for a few minutes then you'd see that pretty much any law passed in the past decades governing people's behavior, was some sort of "anti-discriminatory" law, we had gay marriage and weed (mostly) legalized and so on. There is ZERO evidence for a trend towards right-wing authoritarianism/fascism. There is, however a strong-trend towards left-wing, identity-politics (based on "feelings") authoritarianism/fascism. It is stunning to see people writing about "Naz...

I think all the Nazi talk stems from that Nazi that went all ISIS and slammed his car into a crowd of innocent Americans.

It's one thing to see some Muslims doing that shit on tv a world away, it's another when it happens here at home to people protesting in the streets.

Worse still, the reaction of a certain segment of our population was what I found most horrific. They were explaining it away like " well the people had sticks" and "but Muh Neo Nazis had a permit ", as if it were no big deal. Frightening

77 WookieMan   2017 Aug 24, 3:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

jazz_music says

Because sudden overnight descent into fascist tyranny may well be at hand, the set up is there, all it takes is the will of the enemies within and any emergency to launch into it and boom no more fake news overnight, Trump approved only. Expanded militarization of police is not for no reason and neither is set up of all these "special" media outlets that Trump approves of.

Maybe I'm naive, but no one I know is even remotely purposing that "overnight decent in fascist tyranny may well be at hand." I live in blue IL, you would think I would be surrounded by it. I work in Chicago. My business has me interact with pretty much any type of personality, race, sex, income, urban living, rural living, etc. People actually going about their daily work may have concerns about our federal government and president. But in the real world, for working people, there is ZERO concern about Trump outright taking over our government. That is straight up tin foil hat stuff.

jazz_music says

I have standards about what I read.

In another post I had asked about who you thought were good journalist. I actually have some respect for some of them and don't think your opinion on those listed is all that bad. My problem is that none of them are independent. If their income wasn't derived from a corporation, I'd venture to guess you would get substantially different material from these journalist (maybe until on their own advertisers started wanting them to push an agenda). They've essentially become actors at this point. The absolute monetizing of media is sickening. For anyone, to truly believe there isn't some sort of ulterior motive, stop kidding yourself. Being a journalist for the most part used to be a blue collar job in a certain sense. Now it's a race to the bottom of the dumpster in an attempt to create the most shock and awe to, as you guessed, make money.

There are too many "boogiemen" on the left AND right in the media telling you they are in the closet hiding, waiting to get you. What you don't realize is that the boogieman is just a fucking ant on the ground being built up by the media to be a 6'5" monster with big ass teeth, oh, and the ability to overthrow our very own government. SMGDH

78 bob2356   2017 Aug 24, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says

If you leave the leftoid echo-chamber just for a few minutes then you'd see that pretty much any law passed in the past decades governing people's behavior, was some sort of "anti-discriminatory" law, we had gay marriage and weed (mostly) legalized and so on

Legalizing pot is anti discriminatory? WTF? How does that work? Pot smokers are a racial group somehow? Are murderers discriminated against also?

mell says

There is ZERO evidence for a trend towards right-wing authoritarianism/fascism.

Assassination of US citizens with no court review, Indefinite detention, warrentless searches, secret evidence, secret courts, immunity from judicial review, monitoring citizens with no court order, civil forfeiture, checkpoint road blocks, prison industrial complex. militarization of police,. That's just off the top of my head.

ZERO? I guess that zero has a different meaning in your world.

79 mell   2017 Aug 24, 5:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says

Legalizing pot is anti discriminatory? WTF? How does that work? Pot smokers are a racial group somehow? Are murderers discriminated against also?

Drug related charges disproportionally affect blacks in the US. You left out gay marriage.

bob2356 says

Assassination of US citizens with no court review, Indefinite detention, warrentless searches, secret evidence, secret courts, immunity from judicial review, monitoring citizens with no court order, civil forfeiture, checkpoint road blocks, prison industrial complex. militarization of police,. That's just off the top of my head.

I agree partially, but these police-state-ish tightenings and the linked loss of civil liberties affect every citizen equally without any effect on race or gender and to this date affect a tiny minority. In the day-to-day life legislature social/recreational regulations have been mostly loosened.

80 drBu   2017 Aug 24, 5:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says

I think all the Nazi talk stems from that Nazi that went all ISIS and slammed his car into a crowd of innocent Americans.

Not all Neo-Nazis - (C) mainstream media.

81 bob2356   2017 Aug 25, 7:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says

bob2356 says

Legalizing pot is anti discriminatory? WTF? How does that work? Pot smokers are a racial group somehow? Are murderers discriminated against also?

Drug related charges disproportionally affect blacks in the US. You left out gay marriage.

That's really weak at best.

mell says

I agree partially, but these police-state-ish tightenings and the linked loss of civil liberties affect every citizen equally without any effect on race or gender and to this date affect a tiny minority. In the day-to-day life legislature social/recreational regulations have been mostly loosened.

You can't have ti both ways. First you said pretty much any law passed in decades was anti discriminatory. Now you are saying laws removing civil liberties don't count if if doesn't affect certain people or certain numbers of people? The people affected by these laws are not a tiny minority.

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