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Trump's Afghanistan Strategy

By Rew following x   2017 Aug 21, 8:16pm 1,033 views   46 comments   watch   quote     share  

It's totally incoherent.

An unknown 'secret' deployment time timetable for an build up of in country forces. As to how this helps us not being "waited out" by the Taliban, who live in Afghanistan, no one can say. There was some tough talk on India and Pakistan. There was some meaningless, "we aren't democracy building, we are going to kill bad guys." talk as well.

Globalists +1 ... but this is going to be a shit show at the hands of Trump.
America -1 ... we have no plan to achieve anything good in Afghanistan as far as I can tell.

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1 bob2356   2017 Aug 22, 7:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Works pretty well to move reporters attention to another subject. Mission accomplished. .

2 Strategist   2017 Aug 22, 7:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

The only reason why we haven't been able to solve the Taliban problem is because of that fucking country Pakistan, providing safe havens to them. We all know Pakistan was hiding Osama Bin Laden.

3 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 11:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
What was Obama's strategy? I don't even know. I do know it didn't work all that great.
4 joeyjojojunior   2017 Aug 22, 11:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

"What was Obama's strategy? I don't even know. I do know it didn't work all that great."

And McGee shows once again that the reason he voted for Trump was because he's the same as Obama.

5 Strategist   2017 Aug 22, 2:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says

What was Obama's strategy? I don't even know. I do know it didn't work all that great.


To withdraw by a certain time. It did not work, because all that the Taliban had to do was to sit still until we withdrew. Then they were back in business.
As usual Softee Obama screwed up.
6 Strategist   2017 Aug 22, 2:55pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
I like Trump's tough ass kicking approach better.
7 anotheraccount   2017 Aug 22, 2:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
What was Obama's strategy?


Focus on Trump. Without Bannon he is fucked. You have to wake up.
8 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 3:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
And McGee shows once again that the reason he voted for Trump was because he's the same as Obama.


And joeyjoejoe shows once again he hates Trump, for doing what Obama did.
9 joeyjojojunior   2017 Aug 22, 3:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says

And joeyjoejoe shows once again he hates Trump, for doing what Obama did.


I did? I just laugh at all the voters who were duped by the "drain the swamp", "Trump knows how to win" nonsense.

10 BlueSardine   2017 Aug 22, 3:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Real change takes generations, not administration to administration.
If you are looking to induce change towards modern government, you also better be prepared to wait it out.
ie. Germany, Italy, Japan.

Strategist says
To withdraw by a certain time. It did not work, because all that the Taliban had to do was to sit still until we withdrew. Then they were back in business.
As usual Softee Obama screwed up.
11 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 3:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
I did? I just laugh at all the voters who were duped by the "drain the swamp", "Trump knows how to win" nonsense.

Yeah, we should have voted "For The Swamp"...

A few more weeks until the real fun begins!
12 joeyjojojunior   2017 Aug 22, 7:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says


Yeah, we should have voted "For The Swamp"...

I got news for you--you DID vote "for the swamp"

13 jazz_music   2017 Aug 22, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

BlueSardine says


Real change takes generations, not administration to administration.



Wrong, the descent to fascist tyranny is fast and unstoppable unless the people keep asserting themselves vigilantly.


That is what time it is. This is the edge of the great fall. When the black swan event arrives, any emergency really, the people will be reeling from the blow, the swoop will be almost impossible to stop.


Look at what we have for a government today:


... the supposed radical, populist president who promised to return governing power to the ordinary citizens is now firmly in the vice of a corporate-military cabal.


Look at Trump's cabinet. Apart from the three generals, Kelly, McMaster and Mattis, the other key posts are run by an ex-oil CEO, Rex Tillerson at the State Department, and former Wall Street executives, Steven Mnuchin as Treasury Secretary, Gary Cohn as national economic adviser, and Wilbur Ross as Commerce Secretary.


This combination of military and industrial corporatism at the executive level of government is a definition of a fascist state. Combine that with a malleable megalomaniac who is willing to betray his allies and voter base, and that makes for a dangerous cabal.


Trump's readiness to go to war in Venezuela, North Korea, and Iran and to give license to the Pentagon to step up its air force slaughter in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen are all signals of how far this presidency has degenerated.


But it is Trump's brazen backtracking on Afghanistan that most transparently shows his unscrupulous character and just how much the Pentagon has taken control over this presidency.



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47663.htm


With all the media restriction and alternate media Trump has set up the "Department of Unamerican Activities" could shut down all dissenting media in one night with one of the elite forces and the state media would fill the void seamlessly the next day.


BOOM! tyranny. What are you going to do with armed forces controlling traffic intersections, just for appearances to let you know that everything is under control, or they might need to talk to you if you don't scan good.

14 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 22, 9:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jazz_music says

This combination of military and industrial corporatism at the executive level of government is a definition of a fascist state. Combine that with a malleable megalomaniac who is willing to betray his allies and voter base, and that makes for a dangerous cabal.

I agree, Monopoly Amazon, the most powerful country in the world, running WaPo is a big danger. Carlos Slim, one of the world's wealthiest men, owns the Paper of Record, the NYT. Something like 80-90% of Legacy Media is owned by 6 companies; I heard 250 executives control almost all national news.

Going back to 100s of Media Outlets, all differently owned, is a return to normalcy.

15 BlueSardine   2017 Aug 22, 9:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

I'm commenting on the invested manpower requirements for bringing an ass backwards country up to somewhat modern standards of governance.
I don't think thats what you are replying to...
jazz_music says

BlueSardine says

Real change takes generations, not administration to administration.

Wrong, the descent to fascist tyranny is fast and unstoppable unless the people keep asserting themselves vigilantly.

16 YesYNot   2017 Aug 23, 7:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Both Obama and Trump sounded pretty lame with a few cliches like 'no nation building,' but offered no real solution. Obama tried to motivate the locals by giving a time schedule (to shoot for). The republicans then said failure was because of Obama and the opposition could just wait it out. Trump is trying to beat them by refusing to tell anybody what his plan is other than winning of course. He's going to surprise them to death and fight with purpose. Whatever. Honestly, it's no better or worse than Obama. The truth is that there is no easy solution there, regardless of what we wish were the case. We are either stuck there or will have to admit defeat and live with the consequences as long as we are in a simmering war with the fanatic wing of Islam.

17 bob2356   2017 Aug 23, 7:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says

I agree, Monopoly Amazon, the most powerful country in the world, running WaPo is a big danger. Carlos Slim, one of the world's wealthiest men, owns the Paper of Record, the NYT. Something like 80-90% of Legacy Media is owned by 6 companies; I heard 250 executives control almost all national news.


Going back to 100s of Media Outlets, all differently owned, is a return to normalcy.



Too funny lips. Who allowed this to happen? Hint it involved massive amounts of money sent to the party of business. You do know trumps people, especially FCC chairman Ajit Pai, are working on shredding the few remaining rules keeping 2-3 media outlets from owing all media? Draining the swamp continues. Not a peep from you on that subject. Why is that?

BTW Carlos Slim owns 17% of the NYT stock. FYI that is called a minority shareholder. Why do conservatives suck at math so much?
18 Strategist   2017 Aug 23, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
jazz_music says

Wrong, the descent to fascist tyranny is fast and unstoppable unless the people keep asserting themselves vigilantly.


That is what time it is. This is the edge of the great fall. When the black swan event arrives, any emergency really, the people will be reeling from the blow, the swoop will be almost impossible to stop.



ROFL. Nothing like a good laugh to get your morning going. Thanks Jazz.
19 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 23, 9:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

bob2356 says

BTW Carlos Slim owns 17% of the NYT stock. FYI that is called a minority shareholder. Why do conservatives suck at math so much?

Do you understand how stocks work? Or how much stock in listed companies are owned by Mutual Funds, Trusts, Pensions, ETFs, etc that can't be voted by law or by-law?

You can control a company with single digit stock percentages, easily. Most retail holders don't vote and most institutional ones can't. Tha'st typically 80% of outstanding shares right there. There's also different classes of stocks that contain more votes per stock than common stock.

The NYT is 65% owned by institutions, most of which can't vote by law or by-law. Typically, retail investors buying for their IRA or via Charles Schwab or whatever have ~10%.

So one person with 17% ownership is actually massive.

20 anonymous   2017 Aug 23, 9:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jazz_music says

With all the media restriction and alternate media Trump has set up

Please say more about this.

Trump's media restriction?

You mean like Google and Cloudflare and Godaddy making it impossible for anyone to get to sites they choose to censor?

21 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Aug 23, 6:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Rumors of a 15-25,000 Indian Deployment to Afghanistan Growing... Indian Army and MPs going on record supporting.... Modi is coming... Pakistan is Pissed... Developing...

22 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Aug 23, 6:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

His Afghan strategy is to pour pork gravy on his ASSHOLE! and show it to an Afghan Hound and receive the sanctifying balm from a creature far more noble than he or his half-wit spawn.

23 BayAreaObserver   2017 Sep 23, 7:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

It’s January 2025, and within days of entering the Oval Office, a new president already faces his first full-scale crisis abroad. Twenty-four years after it began, the war on terror, from the Philippines to Nigeria, rages on. In 2024 alone, the U.S. launched repeated air strikes on 15 nations (or, in a number of cases, former nations), including the Philippines, Burma, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, the former Iraq, the former Syria, Kurdistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mali, and Nigeria.

In the weeks before his inauguration, a series of events roiled the Greater Middle East and Africa. Drone strikes and raids by U.S. Special Operations forces in Saudi Arabia against both Shiite rebels and militants from the Global Islamic State killed scores of civilians, including children. They left that increasingly destabilized kingdom in an uproar, intensified the unpopularity of its young king, and led to the withdrawal of the Saudi ambassador from Washington. In Mali, dressed in police uniforms and riding on motorcycles, three Islamic militants from the Front Azawad, which now controls the upper third of the country, gained entry to a recently established joint U.S.-French military base and blew themselves up, killing two American Green Berets, three American contractors, and two French soldiers, while wounding several members of Mali’s presidential guard. In Iraq, as 2024 ended, the city of Tal Afar -- already “liberated” twice since the 2003 invasion of that country, first by American troops in 2005 and then by American-backed Iraqi troops in 2017 -- fell to the Sunni militants of the Global Islamic State. Though now besieged by the forces of the Republic of Southern Iraq backed by the U.S. Air Force, it remains in their hands.

The crisis of the moment, however, is in Afghanistan where the war on terror first began. There, the Taliban, the Global Islamic State (or GIS, which emerged from the Islamic State, or ISIS, in 2019), and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan (or AQIA, which split from the original al-Qaeda in 2021) now control an increasing number of provincial capitals. These range from Lashgar Gah in Helmand Province in the southern poppy-growing heartlands of the country to Kunduz in the north, which first briefly fell to the Taliban in 2015 and now is in the hands of GIS militants. In the meantime, the American-backed government in the Afghan capital, Kabul, is -- as in 2022 when a “surge” of almost 25,000 American troops and private contractors saved it from falling to the Taliban -- again besieged and again in danger. The conflict that Lieutenant General Harold S. Forrester, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, had only recently termed a “stalemate” seems to be devolving. What’s left of the Afghan military with its ghost soldiers, soaring desertion rates, and stunning casualty figures is reportedly at the edge of dissolution. Forrester is returning to the United States this week to testify before Congress and urge the new president to surge into the country up to 15,000 more American troops, including Special Operations forces, and another 15,000 private contractors, as well as significantly more air power before the situation goes from worse to truly catastrophic.

Like many in the Pentagon, Forrester now regularly speaks of the Afghan War as an “eonic struggle,” that is, one not expected to end for generations...

You think not? When it comes to America’s endless wars and conflicts across the Greater Middle East and Africa, you can’t imagine a more-of-the-same scenario eight years into the future? If, in 2009, eight years after the war on terror was launched, as President Obama was preparing to send a “surge” of more than 30,000 U.S. troops into Afghanistan (while swearing to end the war in Iraq), I had written such a futuristic account of America’s wars in 2017, you might have been no less unconvinced.

Much much more: http://www.tomdispatch.com/

This is under the title Tweeting While the Planet Burns and/or Empire of Madness. No one can tweet better, has more beautiful tweets and has a better more grander empire of madness than Trump - no one, even though he really is a Dotard.

24 Strategist   2017 Sep 23, 7:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Rumors of a 15-25,000 Indian Deployment to Afghanistan Growing... Indian Army and MPs going on record supporting.... Modi is coming... Pakistan is Pissed... Developing...

Awesome. I love Pakistan being pissed. It's a terrorist country that's been sucking us dry for too long. Pakistan needs to be controlled, and their nukes taken away.

25 BayAreaObserver   2017 Sep 23, 8:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist - We can't manage what he have going on now let alone get involved with anything else.

On a side note anyone else notice Harvey and Irma are so much yesterdays news and nary a peep on the news now.

Sure glad those recoveries are over and everything is back to normal - next tweet or distraction coming right up.

Out of sight and the media and on to bigger and better things and a plug for whatever property the Orange Magenda owns during the next public appearance.

MAGA

26 Booger   2017 Sep 23, 9:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

I say we just kill off the population of Afghanistan that can't be quickly brought up out of the stone age, even if that is almost the entire population.

27 HEY YOU   2017 Sep 23, 9:05am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

BREAKING NEWS!
Obama or Clinton aren't President.
Democrats aren't in charge of CONgress.

It's Republicans fault!

28 drBu   2017 Sep 23, 3:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Booger says

I say we just kill off the population of Afghanistan that can't be quickly brought up out of the stone age, even if that is almost the entire population.

Or, better, get the fuck out of Afghanistan and let the interested parties (India and Russia) deal with it themselves. I do not see a reason why one should meddle in those parts of the world.

29 Booger   2017 Sep 23, 6:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says

On a side note anyone else notice Harvey and Irma are so much yesterdays news and nary a peep on the news now.

Sure glad those recoveries are over and everything is back to normal

Current gas prices suggests that at least some refining capacity is back up and producing.

30 Strategist   2017 Sep 23, 8:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Booger says

I say we just kill off the population of Afghanistan that can't be quickly brought up out of the stone age, even if that is almost the entire population.



That would solve a lot of problems, but lets do the same with the rest of the stone age dwellers. I recommend Saudi Arabia go first.
32 bob2356   2017 Sep 24, 5:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
drBu says

Booger says


I say we just kill off the population of Afghanistan that can't be quickly brought up out of the stone age, even if that is almost the entire population.


Or, better, get the fuck out of Afghanistan and let the interested parties (India and Russia) deal with it themselves. I do not see a reason why one should meddle in those parts of the world.



Bravo. We have accomplished nothing in 15 years. We will accomplish nothing in another 115. Afghanistan is an endless proxy war between Pakistan and India we should have never stepped into. We should have let the Taliban prosecute OBL, which they were willing to do, and if we were not satisfied then made a decision on the next move.
34 bob2356   2017 Sep 24, 1:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Strategist says
bob2356 says
We should have let the Taliban prosecute OBL, which they were willing to do, and if we were not satisfied then made a decision on the next move.


Kind of early to be drinking, isn't it?


I don't think thousands of brave dedicated young Americans killed, tens of thousands wounded or handicapped for life, and billions of American dollars wasted is a subject for humor. These are real people thrown into a meat grinder by draft dodging chickenhawk neocons like bush, cheney, and rumsvelt because their pride was hurt and they wanted a big military victory going into the next election.

What have we got to show for it other than opening the floodgates for cheap opiods to pour into the country? Nothing.
35 Strategist   2017 Sep 24, 1:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
bob2356 says

What have we got to show for it other than opening the floodgates for cheap opiods to pour into the country? Nothing.


We learnt that Pussy Presidents are not tough enough to take on cold blooded terrorists and rogue countries like Pakistan who fully support terrorists. We need guys like Trump to get the job done.
36 bob2356   2017 Sep 24, 2:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
bob2356 says

What have we got to show for it other than opening the floodgates for cheap opiods to pour into the country? Nothing.


We learnt that Pussy Presidents are not tough enough to take on cold blooded terrorists and rogue countries like Pakistan who fully support terrorists. We need guys like Trump to get the job done.


You beleive this draft dodging chickenhawk president is going to do better than the last draft dodging chickenhawk president? How do you arrive at this amazing conclusion?

What is Trumps plan for taking on Pakistan? I haven't seen it yet. Can you link to it? Will that be before we take on Korea, Afghanistan, and the entire middle east of after?
37 Strategist   2017 Sep 24, 3:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
bob2356 says

You beleive this draft dodging chickenhawk president is going to do better than the last draft dodging chickenhawk president? How do you arrive at this amazing conclusion?

Simple. Our enemies NK, Pakistan, Iran, and Venezuela hate Trump. They loved pushover Obama. They would not hate Trump so much unless he was ruffling their feathers.

bob2356 says

What is Trumps plan for taking on Pakistan? I haven't seen it yet. Can you link to it? Will that be before we take on Korea, Afghanistan, and the entire middle east of after?

You expect Trump to reveal his plans to our enemies and the world?
38 Heraclitusstudent   2017 Sep 24, 4:36pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
Strategist says
I like Trump's tough ass kicking approach better.

It flatters the ego of some men when their wives send them to take the trash out. But is it rational. Acting based on sunk costs is not rational.

The truth is there is no benefit of being there: the Talibans are just in one place vs an other.

Best thing would be to declare victory and leave. There is a long tradition of leaders doing exactly that.
39 bob2356   2017 Sep 24, 4:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Strategist says

bob2356 says

What is Trumps plan for taking on Pakistan? I haven't seen it yet. Can you link to it? Will that be before we take on Korea, Afghanistan, and the entire middle east of after?

You expect Trump to reveal his plans to our enemies and the world?


Trump doesn't have a plan for tomorrows breakfast.

I'm a very big fan of Nathan Bedford Forrest's philosophy of git ’em skeered, and then keep the skeer on ’em. In your face is the way to go.

Every time a president says trust me I have a secret plan it turns out they were lying. The pattern isn't going to change with trump.

Strategist says
Simple. Our enemies NK, Pakistan, Iran, and Venezuela hate Trump. They loved pushover Obama. They would not hate Trump so much unless he was ruffling their feather


Our allies hate trump too. Are we going to war with Australia and NZ also? Is there a secret plan?
40 Strategist   2017 Sep 24, 8:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
bob2356 says
Strategist says
Simple. Our enemies NK, Pakistan, Iran, and Venezuela hate Trump. They loved pushover Obama. They would not hate Trump so much unless he was ruffling their feather


Our allies hate trump too. Are we going to war with Australia and NZ also? Is there a secret plan?


Our allies hate him for different reasons. Our enemies hate him because their free ride is now over, while some of our allies hate him for backing out of the Paris agreement. I hate Trump for that too, but I love him for kicking our enemies, who all abuse human rights, in the butt.

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