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1 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 22, 7:57pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

This isn't a win for your side. If you want to be pro fuck-the-law, feel free, but it's not going to be your NRA thugs holding the guillotine handle when the fighting is over. History is crystal clear that it's almost always the communists who end up winning.

You've just given Antifa moral justification to do the same thing.

2 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Aug 22, 8:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

All necessary manpower should have been called in &
everyone dispersed, those that didn't should have been arrested at the scene.

Bundy's property should be confiscated & sold for his debt,today.
And anyone that starts some shit will be dealt with.

3 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 23, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says
Libs fail to convict the Bundy's


You clearly don't even know how our legal system works. It's a criminal proceeding, not an election. But your attitude does show how you care nothing for justice or law and order, only about "scoring a win against the other team" as if America were a sport and the only purpose of our laws is to stroke your ego with selective enforcement.

A federal jury in Las Vegas refused Tuesday to convict four defendants who were retried on accusations that they threatened and assaulted federal agents by wielding assault weapons in a 2014 confrontation to stop a cattle roundup near the Nevada ranch of states' rights figure Cliven Bundy.


Translation: The four jury practice jury nullification. They knew the law was broken, but chose not to vote guilty, most likely because of the politics involved rather than because the jury actually disagreed with the law.
4 BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 23, 10:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

You clearly don't even know the political makeup of las vegas juries that determine guilt vs innocence.
526,986 registered democrats vs 436,799 republicans in vegas.
Odds are the jury for this case was overwhelming democratic.
IOW, Libbys did indeed fail to convict Bundy...

Dan8267 says

You clearly don't even know how our legal system works. It's a criminal proceeding, not an election.

5 steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 23, 10:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

When I looked into it, I didn't think there was a crime. From what I understand, they had been working that land long, long, long before some pencil-dicks came out with "grazing fees". Or am I mistaken on that?

6 steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 23, 10:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

This isn't a win for your side. If you want to be pro fuck-the-law, feel free, but it's not going to be your NRA thugs holding the guillotine handle when the fighting is over. History is crystal clear that it's almost always the communists who end up winning.

You've just given Antifa moral justification to do the same thing.

The first step is disarmament and that will not happen here without total war breaking out. Scenarios do not favor blues for now, to my knowledge. This was not pro-fuck-the-law. It was shove-thy-tyranny-up-thy-ass. Besides, a leftist version I think would more likely have ended in gunfire under similar circumstances. You are smart, you know I am fairly accurate in my prediction.

7 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 23, 11:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

steverbeaver says

This was not pro-fuck-the-law. It was shove-thy-tyranny-up-thy-ass.

Yeah how dare the federal government impose fees for using public land! Total tyranny. I personally claim Alcatraz and I intend to open a casino there soon.

8 steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 23, 11:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Well, if they had well-established prior use, YES! Tell me, what harm did they do to you, working that land for years long before you were born? Best of luck with your Alcatraz claim. If you get it within the current rules may I please stay as your honored guest, for a modest compensation?

9 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 24, 7:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

steverbeaver says

Well, if they had well-established prior use, YES!

Brilliant. So all you need to do when you wish to steal public land is have a history of using it?

steverbeaver says

what harm did they do to you, working that land for years long before you were born?

They converted a public asset to private use without paying for it thereby increasing my tax liability.

Honestly these are the end days when people are earnestly arguing that breaking the law is fine if you have a good reason. It's vile.

10 Roidy   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 24, 8:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Gentle Reader,

I'm not really sure about all of this Libs vs. Cons bullshit. It just doesn't make sense in the context of grazing cows on public land as a criminal act. All of that is weird even for this blog.

Anyway, these Bundy people were declared not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Fine. I'm an avowed Progressive Democrat, and I wouldn't have convicted these people either. Why were they even charged? Stupid. Next thing we'll have flatulence as a criminal offense.

Now, as far a grazing fees go, that issue is not for criminal court. It is for civil court. Sure, the Bundy's had a freebie for a lot of years, but they really need to pay for what they get. Time to pay for grazing their cows on what is a part of the Public's property.

Want to shoot someone with a .223 assault rifle? Be prepared to get shot then.

So, I insist that they pay for what they get to make a private profit on. Pay up or get out. Civil court will decide. Now, they want to declare freedom from Gov't intrusion? Good. Great. I'm all for it. The Bundy's should then BUY their own land. They will then be able to graze their cows at will.

Of course, I'm pretty sure requiring them to buy their own land in leu of paying the Public for "fair use" will thoroughly piss the Bundys off. Tough.

Regards,
Roidy

11 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 24, 10:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says

"assaulted federal agents by wielding assault weapons" please Iwog tell me, how do you assault some one without touching them?

Assault is always without touching someone. Although it's generally misunderstood by people outside of the legal profession, assault is a threat either visible or verbal. Battery is the crime of touching someone in a harmful or offensive way.


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