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Ways around oligopoly censorship of the internet


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2017 Aug 24, 7:29am   3,766 views  20 comments

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What are some ways to keep material easily available to the world after the tech oligopoly decides to remove it?

Sure, today it's http://www.dailystormer.com/ which your masters have decided you are not grown up enough to be allowed to read, but tomorrow it's most definitely going to be the ACLU.

Bittorrent and other copyright-evading software is important for the survival of freedom of speech, but what are some other ways?

Maybe a network of individual small websites which mirror censored content. They can't kill us all, can they?

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1   Booger   2017 Aug 25, 5:08am  

Voat, the uncensored reddit

2   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 25, 8:17am  

Booger says

Voat, the uncensored reddit

No he means after the Go Daddy's, Web Company(formerly Network Solutions) and all of the Net registrars, and network gate keepers ban content by virtue signalling for their Comrades.

At this point eventually DNS servers will be removing A Records.

I think when it progresses to that, nobody will deserve internet.

Didn't rednecks invent the rocket? I think they did.

3   Patrick   2017 Aug 25, 9:07am  

Right. Voat is just as vulnerable to being shut down.

We need some kind of system where information can easily be found and distributed without vulnerability to any central authority. There are two main points of weakness right now:

1. DNS - there are centralized registrars and they can erase any site's records
2. SSL - certificates are issued by centralized authorities and can be invalidated at their whim

We need distributed non-stompable ways to get around them. Bittorrent may be the best model, but with some kind of encryption and proxying so that your ISP cannot see what you are downloading.

4   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 25, 9:23am  

Patrick says

We need some kind of system where information can easily be found and distributed without vulnerability to any central authority.

I say we move the internet to Ruku type IOT boxes. That serve as your personal web server and your gateway.
Your data is always stored on your IOT box, Your Social network profiles and information is stored on your box and is only referenced though the service. unplug it and you're information is private again. If you've got the space you host videos and other content. If not stop feeding the Clowns in the Cloud with your personal data.

5   Patrick   2017 Aug 25, 9:43am  

Tell me more about these Ruku boxes. Do you mean Roku?

6   Dan8267   2017 Aug 25, 1:51pm  

someone else says

What are some ways to keep material easily available to the world after the tech oligopoly decides to remove it?

The best way would be with torrents and backups. Unpopular torrents can and do die, but popular ones are basically impossible to stop. The only way to stop a popular torrent is with international cooperation and gun-point law enforcement.

Any mechanism you would use to stop take-down notices would have to solve the same problems that torrents do including
1. Having many copies in many different and politically opposing nation states.
2. Allowing anyone to easily make their own copies.
3. Preventing forgery via digitally signing files and chunks of files.
4. Having URLs to obtain the distributed files instead of having to host a metafile that describes how to get the file. This is what magnet links are in torrents as oppose to .torrent files.

So really, why not use torrents and VPN? It's the best way to ensure your content cannot be taken down without international law enforcement cooperation. For political content, it's perfect. For copyright infringement, it's pretty damn good. Only universally accepted prohibitions like terrorist plans and pedophilia are going to get the international cooperation to take down a torrent, and pretty much everyone's OK with that exception. Your white lives matter or women suck at engineering posts aren't going to be attacked by Interpol. However, unless you are going to forever host your own content, a torrent of it will die unless it has mass appeal or a loyal following.

I suppose you could host politically incorrect content on a torrent server in some third world nation that doesn't give a damn about the content as long as you take steps to keep pedophilia and copyrighted material off your servers. But that means constantly viewing material to police it or accepting take-down notices.

7   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 25, 2:28pm  

Patrick says

Do you mean Roku?

Yes Roku.
I just mean if we're all going the way of the Internet of things. Then why not decentralize our data and we be our own gate keepers. Through our own net appliance we can see who accessed our data. We can chose what we put on line or not.
Like for instance say I'm typing on Patrick.net. The input I give in Threads are stored on my box and your site references a pointer to a heap on my box. not even classic URLs in the sense we're used to it.

8   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 25, 2:32pm  

Probably less anonymity but more control of your digital life.
When you delete your Tweet so goes CNN's copy.

9   HEY YOU   2017 Aug 25, 3:16pm  

So how's that technology(lack of privacy) everyone worships working out?

10   Shaman   2017 Aug 25, 3:23pm  

Dan8267 says

The best way would be with torrents and backups. Unpopular torrents can and do die, but popular ones are basically impossible to stop. The only way to stop a popular torrent is with international cooperation and gun-point law enforcement.

I think even gunpoint enforcement would be problematic if everyone used IP blocking software. My computer is currently in Denmark 🇩🇰 Or at least that's what my IP address would indicate.

11   Dan8267   2017 Aug 25, 4:36pm  

Quigley says

I think even gunpoint enforcement would be problematic if everyone used IP blocking software. My computer is currently in Denmark 🇩🇰 Or at least that's what my IP address would indicate.

It all comes down to how much money the government that you're concerned about is willing and able to spend tracking you down. If you published a terrorist plot against the U.S., then the U.S. government would spend billions to track you down and kill you. With those kind of resources, gunpoint enforcement is not a problem.

However, the Berkeley PDP isn't going to spend even fifty grand tracking you down for posting a video of you pissing on the PDP's steps even though it is embarrassing to them.

Viacom will spend tens of millions to develop software to track down pirates in general, but not on an individual. It's a cost-benefit analysis.

So as long as you aren't publishing hot political issues like pedophilia or state secrets or terrorist plots, even the most tyrannical governments won't spend more than a few thousand dollars tracking you down and VPN + torrent is more than good enough. Even if you insult great leader, he's not going to bother tracking you down. Political views, no matter how offensive, aren't going to garner enough interest from corporations or government to track you down or shut down your content if it is expensive to do so.

In contrast, it's damn cheap to shut down content on the servers owned by one's own corporation. It's literally just a click of a button that runs a stored procedure that does a soft delete. It costs nothing.

12   Patrick   2017 Aug 25, 5:01pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Yes Roku.

Are you sure Roku boxes can host your own content easily? I just don't see it in the descriptions of the box:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roku

13   Booger   2017 Aug 25, 6:58pm  

Fuck YouTube!

14   Patrick   2017 Aug 25, 9:24pm  

I was thinking one future direction for patrick.net should be to be a place where you can comment on any URL on the internet. So maybe there would be a patrick.net browser plugin that would have a stream of comments in a floating box. The comments would be about the current URL in the browser. So each YouTube or other URL would in effect be its own patrick.net chat room.

This could not be blocked by any site. The sites would not even be aware of it.

Seem like a good idea?

15   just_passing_through   2017 Aug 25, 11:29pm  

Patnet should have a warrant canary.

16   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 26, 8:02am  

Patrick says

Are you sure Roku boxes can host your own content easily? I just don't see it in the descriptions of the box:

No I'm describing a new concept. Of personal web content streaming. Your input to websites are stored. And all social media and website references to it, reference a pointer to the memory stream rather than kept in databases on their server. Data is retrieved by a IP address and a GUID.

This is purely hypothetical as an alternative to what we have now with SJW gatekeepers.

17   anonymous   2017 Aug 26, 8:03am  

Ways around Oligopoly censorship of media?

Blast AltLeft 24/7 and elect all Republicans, all the time. That should solve it

18   Patrick   2017 Aug 26, 9:21am  

Tenpoundbass says

Patrick says

Are you sure Roku boxes can host your own content easily? I just don't see it in the descriptions of the box:

No I'm describing a new concept. Of personal web content streaming. Your input to websites are stored. And all social media and website references to it, reference a pointer to the memory stream rather than kept in databases on their server. Data is retrieved by a IP address and a GUID.

This is purely hypothetical as an alternative to what we have now with SJW gatekeepers.

Yes, I agree that this would be great. So would people host them at home? Most internet providers discourage home hosting via limited upstream bandwidth and constantly changing IP addresses (dhcp).

just_passing_through says

Patnet should have a warrant canary.

Tell me about this. So if I ever got served with a warrant, something would change on the site?

19   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Aug 26, 11:37am  

That's why it would bind by the network ID GUID that never changes.
Even when you change providers. In one way it would be less transparent. In another way it would legally prohibit anyone using your content out of context.
It would not be public it would be private. The only way to share it would be to take a screenshot. Unless it was intentionally created by the creator as downloadable content.
Screen captures could be considered IP infringement. This would be 2A at its purest form. Don't like the person you could block him and never see him again in any social media platform ever again. Same user could be blocked across email aliases social monikers.
You could just block everyone bitching about you, from even streaming your content.

20   just_passing_through   2017 Aug 26, 11:43am  

rando says

Tell me about this. So if I ever got served with a warrant, something would change on the site?

Yes, you then quietly take the canary down.

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