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So North Korea respects US now. That is just BS

By Tim Aurora following x   2017 Aug 29, 5:16am 563 views   41 comments   watch   quote     share  

According to Trump, after his ascension to US presidency North Korea now respects US

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/08/23/president-trump-phoenix-rally-kim-jong-un-respect-sot.cnn
North Koreas’ ballistic missile just launched over Japan, provocative behavior for which they blame the US - for Trumps’ provocative ‘fire and fury’ rhetoric. Trump told his Arizona rally that North Korea respects the US a few days ago, so you can see the danger and disconnect in that one example alone.

What is Trump going to do about it. I am assuming just talk or he can maybe "pardon" Kim Jong :-)

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2 joeyjojojunior   2017 Aug 29, 7:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Yep--Trump really showed them, didn't he? Where are all the Trumpkins who proudly proclaimed that Trump's tough talk did something Obama never could...

North Korea sure buckled under Trump's bravado, didn't they.

3 HEY YOU   2017 Aug 29, 8:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Now that Trump has conquered N.K., where are all the good paying jobs in the rust belt & flyover states?
Rep/Con/Nazis don't need them,they are financial geniuses.
MAGA!
4 Strategist   2017 Aug 29, 10:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Tim Aurora says
North Koreas’ ballistic missile just launched over Japan, provocative behavior for which they blame the US - for Trumps’ provocative ‘fire and fury’ rhetoric. Trump told his Arizona rally that North Korea respects the US a few days ago, so you can see the danger and disconnect in that one example alone.

What is Trump going to do about it. I am assuming just talk or he can maybe "pardon" Kim Jong :-)


joeyjojojunior says

Yep--Trump really showed them, didn't he? Where are all the Trumpkins who proudly proclaimed that Trump's tough talk did something Obama never could...


North Korea sure buckled under Trump's bravado, didn't they.



HEY YOU says

Now that Trump has conquered N.K., where are all the good paying jobs in the rust belt & flyover states?


Point well taken guys. Trump has not taken any real action, yet. I am confident he will.
Pussy Obama did nothing but whine about NK for 8 straight years. Did you guys complain then?
5 Strategist   2017 Aug 29, 10:06am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
Strategist says

Point well taken guys. Trump has not taken any real action, yet. I am confident he will.
Pussy Obama did nothing but whine about NK for 8 straight years. Did you guys complain then?


Something tells me the three of you who complain about Trump doing nothing about NK, will complain the most when he DOES do something.
6 komputodo   2017 Aug 29, 10:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
HEY YOU says
Now that Trump has conquered N.K., where are all the good paying jobs in the rust belt & flyover states?


We need more good paying jobs in the rust belt? I thought Obama fixed all that in his 8 years. The TV said that unemployment has never been lower.
7 BlueSardine   2017 Aug 29, 11:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Was it a color TV?
Black and Whites have been know to lie...

komputodo says
The TV said that unemployment has never been lower.
8 KimJongUn   2017 Aug 29, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
NNPT is dead. Killed by Russia and China via their proxy - NK.

Next nuclear-armed state to emerge - Japan. After that - SA, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, SK (not necessarily in that order).
9 Tim Aurora   2017 Sep 28, 12:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
So how much does #NOKO Rocket Man respects Trump
10 HEY YOU   2017 Sep 28, 2:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Why does Trump allow a rogue nation to have nuclear weapons?

komputodo says
The TV said that unemployment has never been lower.


No one can say anything that's not true on Television.
Same on the interwebs.

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/
11 FortWayne   2017 Sep 28, 2:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Obama would have already surrendered under all this pressure, Trump did not
12 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 3:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
FortWayne says
Obama would have already surrendered under all this pressure, Trump did not


Nominated for one of the stupidest things you've ever written.

North Korea sank a South Korean ship in 2010: The ROKS Cheonan. Did Obama surrender? No?
13 Heraclitusstudent   2017 Sep 28, 4:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
Trump has not taken any real action, yet. I am confident he will.

So what is he gonna do? Have Seoul bombarded or not?
The world wants to know.

iwog says
North Korea sank a South Korean ship in 2010: The ROKS Cheonan. Did Obama surrender? No?

Obama and SK for sure took note of that, and then looked the other way.
14 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 4:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Heraclitusstudent says
Obama and SK for sure took note of that, and then looked the other way.


Exactly like Bush did and exactly like Trump is doing.
15 Strategist   2017 Sep 28, 8:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Tim Aurora says
So how much does #NOKO Rocket Man respects Trump

Trump does not want his respect. Trump wants his head on a stick.

Heraclitusstudent says
Strategist says
Trump has not taken any real action, yet. I am confident he will.

So what is he gonna do? Have Seoul bombarded or not?
The world wants to know.

It's classified. I can't tell you.
16 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 8:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
Trump does not want his respect. Trump wants his head on a stick.


Have you learned anything about blustering babbling idiots bragging about their destructive abilities from Kim Jong Un??????

Donald Trump isn't going to do jack shit except throw more twitter temper tantrums.
17 me123   2017 Sep 28, 8:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Heraclitusstudent says
Obama and SK for sure took note of that, and then looked the other way.


Obama wrote a sternly worded letter and drew ANOTHER new red line in the sand.
18 Strategist   2017 Sep 28, 8:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Strategist says
Trump does not want his respect. Trump wants his head on a stick.


Have you learned anything about blustering babbling idiots bragging about their destructive abilities from Kim Jong Un??????

Donald Trump isn't going to do jack shit except throw more twitter temper tantrums.


The sanctions are starting to bite. They keep tightening the noose. Rocket man will have two choices. Either come to the negotiating table or start a war. Rocket Man knows starting a war will be suicide, therefore the odds are he will start negotiating.
19 bob2356   2017 Sep 29, 6:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Strategist says
The sanctions are starting to bite. They keep tightening the noose. Rocket man will have two choices. Either come to the negotiating table or start a war. Rocket Man knows starting a war will be suicide, therefore the odds are he will start negotiating.


Sometimes you really are funny.
20 BayAreaObserver   2017 Oct 5, 4:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
U.S. Intelligence Officials Call N.Korean Leader 'Very Rational' "He's not afraid of China's abandonment. He's not afraid of a U.S. strike," said the CIA Korea Mission Center's Lee.

Despite Kim Jong-un's repeated provocations and willingness to engage in heated rhetoric, top U.S. intelligence officials say the North Korean leader is not crazy.

"Kim Jong-un is a very rational actor," the deputy assistant director of the Central Intelligence Agency's Korea Mission Center said Wednesday.

"Bluster and rhetoric aside, Kim Jong-un has no desire to go toe to toe with [U.S. and South Korea's] combined forces command," Yong Suk Lee said at a CIA-sponsored intelligence conference in Washington.

"Kim Jong-un wants what all authoritarian rulers want... to rule for a long time and die peacefully in his own bed," Lee said.

At Odds with Trump View

The intelligence assessment would appear to run counter to the rhetoric being used by U.S. President Donald Trump.

In a series of tweets, Trump has referred to the North Korean leader as "Little Rocket Man," and, in one tweet last month, said Kim Jong Un was "obviously a madman."

Lee and other CIA officials, however, believe there has been a "clarity of purpose" to the way the North Korean ruler is acting on the world stage.

Pyongyang's goal, they say, is to gain recognition as a major nuclear power and eventually negotiate a deal with the United States that sees American forces leave the Korean peninsula.

Intelligence officials see North Korea's repeated nuclear and missile tests as a way to create some space and give Pyongyang room to maneuver as it pursues its goals on the peninsula.

"He wants to keep us out of his sandbox," Lee said, predicting another test or provocation could be coming as soon as October 9, which marks the founding of the country's ruling political party, as well as the Columbus Day holiday in the U.S.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/10/05/2017100500138.html
21 Tim Aurora   2017 Oct 11, 1:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
So how much more respect does Trump want from Kim Jung , now that he is not getting any
22 Tenpoundbass   2017 Oct 11, 1:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
If it were up to the Liberals Trump would be licking Kim's whale eye.
23 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 2:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Tenpoundbass says
If it were up to the Liberals Trump would be licking Kim's whale eye.


Twitter temper tantrums are so much more dignified.

Did you know that Trump doing nothing from this point forward is worse than Donald Trump not saying anything at all?

The embarrassment is why a narcissist's mouth always gets him in trouble. Let's watch what he does next! Any predictions? (LOLz!)
24 Tim Aurora   2017 Oct 11, 2:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Tenpoundbass says
If it were up to the Liberals Trump would be licking Kim's whale eye.


You dodged the question again. Let us focus. How much is Trump getting out of Kim Jung ? Nothing Nada, And his Secretary of state is frustrated with Trump.
25 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 4:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Tim Aurora says

You dodged the question again. Let us focus. How much is Trump getting out of Kim Jung ? Nothing Nada, And his Secretary of state is frustrated with Trump.


Trump is getting a lot of cooperation from China, to tighten the noose around Kim's neck. When Kim can't breathe anymore, he will negotiate to give up his nukes. The aggressive strategy Trump is using has clearly had better results in just a few months, than Obama ever had in 8 years.
26 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
When Kim can't breathe anymore, he will negotiate to give up his nukes.


No he wont. Capitulation isn't an option. The only way he holds power is fear and the only way he maintains fear is to pose a credible threat to the West.

The only options are war or some sort of diplomacy that allows him to save face.

What Trump is doing is asinine and pointless and actually plays into Kim Jong Un's agenda.
27 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 5:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Strategist says
When Kim can't breathe anymore, he will negotiate to give up his nukes.


No he wont. Capitulation isn't an option. The only way he holds power is fear and the only way he maintains fear is to pose a credible threat to the West.

The only options are war or some sort of diplomacy that allows him to save face.

What Trump is doing is asinine and pointless and actually plays into Kim Jong Un's agenda.


Remember, dictators put life above ideology, unlike the Islamists who put ideology above life. Kim knows an all out war will spell the end of the Kim regime. When the time comes, they will work out a face saving agreement where Kim will lose control of his nukes, but will still be able to claim victory to his people. After his nukes are under our control, we will engineer a regime change.
28 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 5:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
Remember, dictators put life above ideology, unlike the Islamists who put ideology above life. Kim knows an all out war will spell the end of the Kim regime. When the time comes, they will work out a face saving agreement where Kim will lose control of his nukes, but will still be able to claim victory to his people. After his nukes are under our control, we will engineer a regime change.


You don't understand the Asian mind like I do. You should travel East more and visit.

A Chinese girl once explained it to me. She said that the United States is rich. They have a good life. They have everything to lose. Chinese people are mostly poor. They have nothing. They work hard and get few rewards. They have nothing to lose.

In her opinion, China would win a world war if both nations were totally obliterated. We would lose the most and they would lose the least. While this seems insane to the Western mind, this is how they actually think and I've confirmed it on several occasions. They believe it is US who would be insane to start a war. No nation as strong and rich as the USA would be so stupid as to risk such happy lives. If China invades Taiwan, they believe we would be out of our minds to intervene with so much to lose.

So extrapolate this philosophy to Kim Jong Un and the North Koreans. They have nothing to lose but their lives, which are pretty damn sad to begin with. What do they stand to gain? Honor which they value very highly. It is EXTREMELY dangerous to play brinkmanship with Asian nations. Donald Trump is a fucking idiot and if I was invited to the White House and attempted to explain any of this to him, he couldn't comprehend it.

Finally there's the sociology of sociopaths. David Koresh ring a bell? Jim Jones? Leaders who sell themselves as demigods will gladly commit suicide to save face as they have numerous times in history. Kim Jong Un is 100% capable of destroying Seoul despite knowing he will be exterminated immediately. He might even fantasize about it. If he gains the ability to hit the United States, it will give him even more pleasure going out in a blaze of destruction.

Donald Trump is a total fuck. He's absolutely the worst possible man to be on stage at this instance in history. He's a failure at everything and yet I would STILL endorse his decision to use overwhelming force to capture North Korea and pray that his generals can keep a leash on him long enough to succeed.
29 anonymous   2017 Oct 11, 6:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Strategist says
Remember, dictators put life above ideology, unlike the Islamists who put ideology above life. Kim knows an all out war will spell the end of the Kim regime. When the time comes, they will work out a face saving agreement where Kim will lose control of his nukes, but will still be able to claim victory to his people. After his nukes are under our control, we will engineer a regime change.


You don't understand the Asian mind like I do. You should travel East more and visit.

A Chinese girl once explained it to me. She said that the United States is rich. They have a good life. They have everything to lose. Chinese people are mostly poor. They have nothing. They work hard and get few rewards. They have nothing to lose.

In her opinion, China would win a world war if both nations were totally obliterated. We would lose the most and they would lose the least. W...


You can't make judgements like this based on what some Chinese girl says.
1. Life is the most valued asset anyone can have. They do not want to lose it.
2. The Kim regime is leading a pretty good life. They are not suicidal, and they do not want to lose it.
When Kim is faced with losing everything or salvaging what he can, he will pick the latter. Right now they are using fear to intimidate us. It worked in the past, but Trump has engineered a turnover, and Kim fully realizes that any attack on the US or it's allies will be the end of their regime.
What would you do if the only options you had was to attack the US allies and get roasted, or to negotiate and salvage what you can?
30 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 6:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says

You can't make judgements like this based on what some Chinese girl says.
1. Life is the most valued asset anyone can have. They do not want to lose it.
2. The Kim regime is leading a pretty good life. They are not suicidal, and they do not want to lose it.
When Kim is faced with losing everything or salvaging what he can, he will pick the latter. Right now they are using fear to intimidate us. It worked in the past, but Trump has engineered a turnover, and Kim fully realizes that any attack on the US or it's allies will be the end of their regime.
What would you do if the only options you had was to attack the US allies and get roasted, or to negotiate and salvage what you can?


Strategist.
31 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 6:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
anonymous says
You can't make judgements like this based on what some Chinese girl says.


That's not what I said. I said that's who explained it the best. This attitude is pervasive throughout the East.

Furthermore I think our experience with Japan in World War II drives the point home doesn't it? In that instance, they faced utter annihilation and couldn't hurt us so they surrendered. However until that time, they were getting ready to fight to the death and take as many Americans as they could with them.

anonymous says
When Kim is faced with losing everything or salvaging what he can, he will pick the latter.


Assuming this would be a HORRIBLE miscalculation and fly in the face of the examples I have already given. You are totally ignoring the cultural differences between our two societies however more importantly, you are totally ignoring the fate of many psychopaths/deified leaders who gladly committed suicide rather than surrender power.
32 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
anonymous says
1. Life is the most valued asset anyone can have. They do not want to lose it.


Wow, some of you are simply incapable of learning from history.

Tell that to a Kamikaze pilot in World War II. Americans are generally very ignorant of other cultures however Americans are WOEFULLY ignorant of how Asian cultures function and what they value and what they wish for in life.

You might as well be arguing that fathers who "honor kill" their daughters aren't a thing, that this doesn't exist, that entire nations don't tolerate it. Well guess what............
33 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 6:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
anonymous says
You can't make judgements like this based on what some Chinese girl says.


That's not what I said. I said that's who explained it the best. This attitude is pervasive throughout the East.

Furthermore I think our experience with Japan drives the point home doesn't it.

Not really. A couple of nukes, and they agreed to surrender and salvage what they could. When the Kim regime faces total destruction, they too will salvage what they can.

iwog says
When Kim is faced with losing everything or salvaging what he can, he will pick the latter.


Assuming this would be a HORRIBLE miscalculation and fly in the face of the examples I have already given.

Keep in mind nothing else worked in the last 25 years. Do you have a better solution?
34 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 6:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
Not really. A couple of nukes, and they agreed to surrender and salvage what they could. When the Kim regime faces total destruction, they too will salvage what they can.


You need to fucking read what I wrote.

The Japanese could not salvage any honor by being nuked into extinction UNLESS THEY COULD FUCKING TAKE US WITH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God dammit, why the hell do I even waste my time with well considered, well supported arguments??

That's why although the Japanese were preparing for the invasion of Tokyo and getting ready to fight to the death, they were NOT WILLING to simply be irradiated by a nuclear holocaust until every last man, woman, and child was dead and American citizens were celebrating back home. ISIS actually has the same policy. Don't be killed, die killing the infidel.

Strategist says
Keep in mind nothing else worked in the last 25 years. Do you have a better solution?


I have the only solutions.

Allow Kim Jong Un to save face with his people or launch a full scale war to subdue North Korea as quickly as possible. What Donald Trump is doing, to my best estimation, is neither. What he's doing is giving Kim Jong Un exactly what he wants to retain power AND possibly provoking a sociopath into striking first AND accomplishing nothing for American interests.
35 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 6:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Strategist says
Not really. A couple of nukes, and they agreed to surrender and salvage what they could. When the Kim regime faces total destruction, they too will salvage what they can.


You need to fucking read what I wrote.

The Japanese could not salvage any honor by being nuked into extinction UNLESS THEY COULD FUCKING TAKE US WITH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God dammit, why the hell do I even waste my time with well considered, well supported arguments??

That's why although the Japanese were preparing for the invasion of Tokyo and getting ready to fight to the death, they were NOT WILLING to simply be irradiated by a nuclear holocaust until every last man, woman, and child was dead and American citizens were celebrating back home. ISIS actually has the same policy. Don't be killed, die killing the infidel.

ha ha ha.
So here you claim the Japanese were willing to die for their honor, but instead surrendered to save their lives.

iwog says
Strategist says
Keep in mind nothing else worked in the last 25 years. Do you have a better solution?


I have the only solutions.

Allow Kim Jong Un to save face with his people or launch a full scale war to subdue North Korea as quickly as possible.

Everyone agrees with that. But right now we have to convince Kim we are prepared to roast him.

iwog says
What Donald Trump is doing, to my best estimation, is neither. What he's doing is giving Kim Jong Un exactly what he wants to retain power AND possibly provoking a sociopath into striking first AND accomplishing nothing for American interests.

Kim and his regime are not sociopaths. They will put their lives above all else. You need to tell me how you would save Kim's face?
36 me123   2017 Oct 11, 6:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
A Chinese girl once explained it to me.


iwog says
In her opinion, China would win a world war if both nations were totally obliterated. We would lose the most and they would lose the least.


And you really believe what some unknown Chinese girl told you? Really?

Are you really that gullible??

Wait, don't answer that last question, you're a Democrat, I know the answer.
37 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 6:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
So here you claim the Japanese were willing to die for their honor, but instead surrendered to save their lives.


I'll refer you back to what I originally wrote, what ISIS teaches, and what is actually provably true.

Dying while taking as many of the enemy down with you is honorable. Being squashed like ants is not honorable. That's why the Japanese surrendered.

Strategist says
Everyone agrees with that. But right now we have to convince Kim we are prepared to roast him.


That's actually the stupidest and most deadly course of action we can take. Not only will you be giving him time to strike first, not only will you be ramping up the paranoia and fear and giving him legitimacy within North Korea, but you will be telegraphing our intent if it's a real threat and making us look incompetent and impotent if it's an idle threat. What Trump is doing accomplishes nothing positive. It's idiocy.

Strategist says
Kim and his regime are not sociopaths. They will put their lives above all else. You need to tell me how you would save Kim's face?


You consider this blind assertion to be valid while having absolutely no data to support it. I don't know why and neither do you.
38 me123   2017 Oct 11, 7:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
You consider this blind assertion to be valid while having absolutely no data to support it.


Speaking of blind assertions, and not supporting them, have you found that bomb threat and doxxing data yet?
39 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Strategist says
Everyone agrees with that. But right now we have to convince Kim we are prepared to roast him.


That's actually the stupidest and most deadly course of action we can take. Not only will you be giving him time to strike first, not only will you be ramping up the paranoia and fear and giving him legitimacy within North Korea, but you will be telegraphing our intent if it's a real threat and making us look incompetent and impotent if it's an idle threat.

You really believe Kim will strike first? His first strike will be his last breath. The only thing Kim loves more than his life are donuts.

iwog says
Strategist says
Kim and his regime are not sociopaths. They will put their lives above all else. You need to tell me how you would save Kim's face?


You consider this blind assertion to be valid while having absolutely no data to support it. I don't know why and neither do you.

There is no evidence to show that Kim and his regime are sociopaths. So far they took 3 of our past Presidents for a ride.
40 iwog   2017 Oct 11, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
You really believe Kim will strike first? His first strike will be his last breath. The only thing Kim loves more than his life are donuts.


You mean like David Koresh? You mean like Jim Jones? You mean like Applewhite and another dozen I could find if I just did a Google search?

Just could never happen...........

Strategist says

There is no evidence to show that Kim and his regime are sociopaths. So far they took 3 of our past Presidents for a ride.


It doesn't matter because he might be. How many millions of corpses are you willing to risk on him being sane?
41 Strategist   2017 Oct 11, 7:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Strategist says

There is no evidence to show that Kim and his regime are sociopaths. So far they took 3 of our past Presidents for a ride.


It doesn't matter because he might be. How many millions of corpses are you willing to risk on him being sane?


That would be more of a reason not to let him have nuclear weapons, isn't it?

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