Obama was blamed repeatedly.......by YOU......for hurting race relations in the USA
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Obama was blamed repeatedly.......by YOU......for hurting race relations in the USA

By iwog following x   2017 Aug 30, 7:40pm 1,241 views   39 comments   watch   quote     share  


Therefore do we get to blame Trump for the resurgence of Antifa and the White Nationalist Party?

If not, why not?

Seems like more hypocrisy on the right.

1 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Aug 30, 8:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Obama was a shitty president who was terrible on human and civil rights, and he harmed black Americans by increasing the war on drugs, a war started for the explicit purpose of denying blacks the right to vote. However, I don't remember Obama doing anything remotely to stoke a race war like Trump and his little Nazi followers have. Trump has been rallying racism and nationalism. Whether he actually gives a damn about these things or just consider those who do useful idiots is besides the point. He clearly has been capitalizing on racism and nationalism. Obama never did anything like that. Even retard Bush didn't do that.
2 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Aug 30, 8:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
Seems like more hypocrisy on the right.


Get off of my cloud!
Pointing out hypocrisy is my job. lol
3 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 30, 8:18pm   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

In a free country, you get to blame whomever you want...

iwog says
Therefore do we get to blame Trump
4 WineHorror   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 4:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

HEY YOU says

iwog says

Seems like more hypocrisy on the right.



Get off of my cloud!
Pointing out hypocrisy is my job. lol

You're a trip iwog. Antifa went crazy the very day Trump was elected. Trump wasn't even in office before shit got bad. You crack me up with your fake equivalency.

It shows which side you've bought into even if it's wrong.

5 komputodo   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 7:08am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
Therefore do we get to blame Trump for the resurgence of Antifa and the White Nationalist Party?


The problem isn't the resurgence of Antifa and the White Nationalist Party and the rioting in the streets and college campuses. The real problem is deciding who to blame it on.
6 rpanic01   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 8:26am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says
Obama never did anything like that.


What about Obama tweeting about Trayvon Martin before he knew any of the facts bringing the case to a national level and sparking the BLM movements.
7 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Aug 31, 8:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Antifa and other fringe protest groups are funded by organizations funded by George Soros through alliance for global judgement and other political nonprofits..

Nothing really to do with Trump.

The msm lies and plays it off like these protests and violent reactionaries are some sort of organic movement. They are not.
8 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 8:46am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This is damning evidence...

rpanic01 says
Dan8267 says
Obama never did anything like that.


What about Obama tweeting about Trayvon Martin before he knew any of the facts bringing the case to a national level and sparking the BLM movements.
9 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 8:50am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

komputodo says
The real problem is deciding who to blame it on.


In reality, that's pretty hard to do.

Antifa would not have risen so much if HRC had been elected instead of Trump, because they were responding to a perceived threat. But that doesn't mean it is entirely or even partially Trump's fault. On the KKK side, some people think that the KKK type groups are just lashing out as their cause is being shunned by the vast majority in society. Perhaps Trump's election was a catalyst for their actions. Perhaps the election of a black guy had helped galvanize the resolve of some of the more militant among them. It's pretty much a guessing game.
What's much easier to do is just look at what Trump and Obama said and judge them for that. Unfortunately, loads of people blamed Obama for causing a race war among many other ridiculous things. Those people are not blaming Trump for his part (surprise surprise). Iwog was right to point out the hypocrisy, but he has a lot of work to do if he want's to point out all of the hypocrisy and false equivalency around here.
10 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Aug 31, 9:25am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

^^^^not true
Soros money just would have been funneled elsewhere via open borders and other similar organizations.

Obama being in the whitehouse didn't stop Soros money from funding the occupy movements.
11 komputodo   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 9:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Iwog was right to point out the hypocrisy, but he has a lot of work to do if he want's to point out all of the hypocrisy and false equivalency around here.


But he can cut that work in half by only attacking one side.
12 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 9:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BlueSardine says
In a free country, you get to blame whomever you want...


Including blaming the free country itself, which is what the liberal Patnet gang keeps doing.
13 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 9:49am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says
Obama was a shitty president who was terrible on human and civil rights, and he harmed black Americans by increasing the war on drugs, a war started for the explicit purpose of denying blacks the right to vote.


So you are saying it's the Blacks who commit the most drug crimes.
Look, Obama is a nice guy, no doubt about it. I would rather have Obama as a neighbor than Trump. Obama is someone who would invite his neighbor for a beer. Trump would just set his Rottweilers on me.
What Obama needs to do is convince his sons not to drop out of school and get a real job.
14 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Aug 31, 10:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

It's Obama's fault!
NDAA!

Strategist says
What Obama needs to do is convince his sons not to drop out of school and get a real job.


What about all Obama's White Trash sons & daughters who dropout?
I know a few of these failures.
One of these, for sure, has Right Wing Nut parents.
15 Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 10:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Obama was co-dependent with drug users, drug dealers, and free shit harvesters? Whooda thought?
16 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 11:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

HEY YOU says
Strategist says
What Obama needs to do is convince his sons not to drop out of school and get a real job.


What about all Obama's White Trash sons & daughters who dropout?
I know a few of these failures.
One of these, for sure, has Right Wing Nut parents.


It's the Black community that needs the most help. Obama can motivate and inspire the Black community like no other. I don't understand why he won't do anything.
17 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 11:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

LOL @ most of you proving my point. Especially this:

rpanic01 says


What about Obama tweeting about Trayvon Martin before he knew any of the facts bringing the case to a national level and sparking the BLM movements.

Yeah......OBAMA messed things up with those silly tweets. Haha I get it!

- So race relations continue to deteriorate to a FAR larger degree than under Obama.
- International relations continue to deteriorate to a FAR larger degree than under Obama. Looks like we're forcing the Russians out of San Francisco now.
- The economy will soon be in recession if not outright depression.
- No one will work with Donald Trump because of his incompetence including many of his own choices.
- Health care policy is in shambles and there's no clear direction from the Republicans on what to do next.
- Trade policy is in shambles with Trump saying he'll repeal NAFTA then saying he wont then saying he will again until the next country sucks his dick.
- North Korea has finally found a leader stupider than Kim Jong Un and will use Donald Trump to justify escalating war with the world.

Quite a record for his first year. So what's next?

18 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 11:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

On blue collar workers:

- Foreign unskilled work visas have doubled, legislation signed by Trump.
- Trump's labor secretary pick, Andrew Puzder, openly opposes overtime pay and employee breaks.
- Trump just scrubbed all OSHA data from their website so no one knows how many worker deaths there are anymore.
- By letting Obamacare fail from lack of funding but not replacing it,(Trump unilaterally eliminated enrollment penalties) Trump has shut down healthcare investment and has left many employees without any options.

But don't worry folks, he's a great deal maker. Things will clear up soon!!

20 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 12:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
HEY YOU says
Strategist says
What Obama needs to do is convince his sons not to drop out of school and get a real job.


What about all Obama's White Trash sons & daughters who dropout?


At least they don't blame "racism" on it.
21 socal2   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 1:13pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
It's the Black community that needs the most help. Obama can motivate and inspire the Black community like no other. I don't understand why he won't do anything.


That was my greatest hope of the Obama presidency. Obama seems like a great father and could have spoken some hard truths to the black community about the appalling high percent of black children being raised with no fathers around.

Broken families are the genesis of much of the crime, poverty and social dysfunction we see today.

Its not too late for Obama. He could save his shitty legacy and spend the rest of his days taking on the NAACP and liberal establishment to do what is right and support the children you help procreate.
22 Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 3:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Dan8267 says
Obama was a shitty president who was terrible on human and civil rights,


Oh stop. Obama era dramatically improved job prospects for minorities, and greatly improved race relations.
23 Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 3:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

socal2 says
He could save his shitty legacy and spend the rest of his days taking on the NAACP


If someone say Obama fixed this, what could the social justice lawyers, SJWs, aid and welfare administrators work on.

Does someone want to estimate how many civil servants and lobbyist fueled non-profits, PACs, and agencies make billions off the social programs and making them larger (better than is!)?
24 anotheraccount   ignore (0)   2017 Aug 31, 4:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
But don't worry folks, he's a great deal maker. Things will clear up soon!!


It's funny that Patrick and Thunderlips are still defending him. Just wait for the tax reform written by Cohn and Mnuchin that will screw over the middle class more. There is a reason why Feinstein is telling democrats to give Trump a chance -- need to appease corporate sponsors with tax cuts.

Getting rid of Bannon should have been the last straw for most supporters.
25 anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Aug 31, 4:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

What's wrong with white nationalism?
26 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Trump already did the most important thing - Kill TPP.

NAFTA is in deep shit, right now.

Refugees are being reduced.

tr6 says
Getting rid of Bannon should have been the last straw for most supporters.


When Obama assigned the people he hinted would be his advisors in the WH to do-nothing White Paper Committees, then appointed Citigroup Executives like Jack Lew, that should have been the last straw.

We know now that Mike Froman of Citigroup was working with Jon Podesta before Obama was even elected, to vet Administration Appointees to insure they'd be anti-reform, loyal Bankster Cunts.
https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

As for Bannon, go to Breitbart and let me know what the feeling about Trump is now that Bannon is back there full time.

Finally, when will the DNC hand over it's server to help investigate when and how Russian Hackers got to them?

Hey, were are those Pakistani Brothers off to in such a hurry?
27 Roidy   ignore (1)   2017 Aug 31, 7:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Gentle Reader,

Obama had his faults, but on average he was an excellent President. He and the Congress passed the AHA. Still, he neglected the Middle Class and Working Class. Muddled through on Afghanistan.

W. has his faults which made him he way below par. He handled the 9-11 Attacks well. It was the follow-on, Iraq, and that "Bring 'Em On" challenge. He appointed Bremer who disbanded the Iraqi Army which set 100,000 armed soldiers loose on the streets with no paychecks or jobs. Oh, and "Brownie you'r doing a heck of a job!" Still, W. did pass the Medicare Prescription Law.

Bill certainly had his faults. Now, infidelity with a teenaged aid is stupid and immoral. How Hillary put up with that I'll never guess. His faults were 1) he needed to kill the shit out of Bin-laden but slacked off, 2) he NEVER should have paid any attention to Greenspan, Summers, or Rubin on the matter of bank deregulation... but he did. When LTCM nearly brought down the whole world economy he let Wall Street fix it... and did nothing else. Just wow. In hind sight, mediocre.

The Donald is in a class by himself, however. My wife is sitting next to me, and I really can't begin to relate how she despises Trump. Ok, my biggest objection to the guy is centered about his obvious neglect and using of the Working Class. Most Working Class were formerly Middle Class by the way. Secondary objections focus on the appointment of every fucktard Republican hack into his government. His claim that we would have a better health care law than AHA. Can't get that so he won't do any work on the current one. Quit tweaking the N. Koreans noses.

On balance, The Donald could be a good President, but he will be remembered as an incompetent one.

Don't get me started on that idiot Carter. Better past President than ever a President.

Regards,
Roidy
28 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 1, 4:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Roidy says
Don't get me started on that idiot Carter. Better past President than ever a President.


What specifically made Carter an idiot? True he brought in the Georgia gang that couldn't get it together, although they were efficiency experts compared to trump's s staff. He got rid of them pretty quick and got a competent staff in. The oil prices increasing 500% and the resulting crash of the economy happened as he was going into office. That was the result of Nixon price controls, not Carter. He did allow the shah medical treatment which directly led to the Iranian revolution and hostage crisis. Not a very foreseeable result. The hostage rescue failure certainly had nothing to do with the presidency. The military dropped the ball.

He got the FISA act through congress. He got SALT II nuclear weapons reductions, the Camp David Accords ending the Egypt-Israel conflict, and the removal of US nuclear weapons from Korea.

He put Volker in charge of the fed who got the disastrous abandon the gold standard inflation easy money policies of Nixon under control at the cost of a really sharp correction in the economy. Yes Volker as Carters man not Reagans. Volker did most of inflation control under Carter. Reagan got the benefits.

Most importantly he got deregulation passed. Reagan took credit for it since it was implemented during Reagan's presidency but it was Carter's legislation that led directly to much of the economic boom in the Reagan years. Ticket and travel prices dropped by 50%. Air passenger traffic tripled. Trucking boomed. Beer boomed. The US went from 44 breweries to 1400.

I don't think anyone elected for those years could have done any better. Too many large external change and internal chickens coming home to roost changes were going on. I never understood the non stop Carter bashing from the conservative right.
29 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Sep 1, 4:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"I never understood the nonstop_______ bashing from the conservative right"

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Well, what else do you expect them to do? All their good ideas are being suppressed by the damn liberals, so all they're left to do is complain about it. And what with all the great ideas and legislation that their conservative right leaders have implemented and championed, you'd think they'd never have time to take a break from singing their praises
30 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 1, 5:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

There ya go...

Roidy says
Obama had his faults, but on average he was an excellent ABYSMAL President. He and the Congress passed the AHA. Still, AND he neglected the Middle Class and Working Class. Muddled through on Afghanistan.
31 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 1, 5:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Wow, a rare double plural...i'm not prepared for this...

bob2356 says
although they were efficiency experts compared to trump's s staff.
32 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Sep 1, 8:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
Don't get me started on that idiot Carter. Better past President than ever a President.


What specifically made Carter an idiot?


LOL. You have to ask? He failed at everything. High inflation, high unemployment, recession, horrible foreign policy, Allowing the Great Ayatollah Khomeini to replace the Shah.
But that's OK, he was a nice guy.
33 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Sep 1, 8:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Roidy says
Obama had his faults, but on average he was an excellent President.


You and I have very different standards. Obama still engage in torture. Gitmo is still open. That's an epic fail.

Roidy says
W. has his faults which made him he way below par.


Bush made torture an American policy, setting our civilization back to the Middle Ages. He undermined habeas corpus, a basic human right since the Magna Carta in 1215. His illegal war killed over a million civilians. He undermined stability in the Middle East, and his actions allowed ISIS to rise to power. He made us less safe even after failing to prevent 9/11 despite being warned literally that "Osama bin Laden [is] determined to attack in the United States".

A monkey would have made a better president.
34 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 1, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says
Dan8267 says
Obama still engage in torture. Gitmo is still open. That's an epic fail.


There is no evidence that torture occurred at Gitmo under the Obama administration. In fact there's an executive order on the books the first year he took office prohibiting it including water boarding.
35 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Sep 1, 10:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says
There is no evidence that torture occurred at Gitmo under the Obama administration.


Given the lack of transparency at Gitmo and in our government in general, that's not nearly good enough. It would be like saying the Nazi concentration camps can remain open and still house Jews, just as long as they are not killed or tortured, but we're on the honor system, so no oversight.
36 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Sep 1, 10:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Iwog you have no logic, you are pulling straws man.

Blame... you can put that on out of control liberals, who Trump needs to put down swiftly, if he wasn't too busy trying to cut down working peoples taxes.
37 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 1, 10:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Given the lack of transparency at Gitmo and in our government in general, that's not nearly good enough.


Then I'll ask the question. Obama as commander in chief gave a very public order to the entire military: "No more torture" Which person in command decided to risk his career to violate that prohibition?

Or do you think Obama secretly ordered torture to continue despite making an order he never had to make in the first place? It seems like you're convicting him based on no evidence and despite ample evidence to the contrary.
38 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 1, 10:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says
Iwog you have no logic, you are pulling straws man.


Examples? No I didn't think so.

FortWayne says

Blame... you can put that on out of control liberals, who Trump needs to put down swiftly, if he wasn't too busy trying to cut down working peoples taxes.


Oh right.....when a Democrat is in office, it's all his fault. When the government is 100% Republicans however, it's all the Democrats fault.
39 jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Sep 1, 11:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
Obama being in the whitehouse didn't stop Soros money from funding the occupy movements.


How do you know what you think you know about Soros' money aren't a bunch of typical gaslighting to make it seem like Koch brothers taking over everything is excusable and even necessary?

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