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Trump will now be tested on DACA

By iwog following x   2017 Sep 1, 10:54am 2,289 views   136 comments   watch   quote     share  

1. He will stand up for what he believes and end DACA.
2. He will bend over and spread his cheeks for the Republican establishment.
3. Whatever he does it's the right thing and anyone who says different is a commie.

Pick one before either side blinks. I dare you to go on record.

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97 Patrick   2017 Sep 5, 9:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday ordered an end to the Obama-era executive action that shields young undocumented immigrants from deportation and called on Congress to replace the policy with legislation before it fully expires on March 5, 2018.

The government will no longer accept new applications from undocumented immigrants to shield them from deportation under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, known as DACA, administration officials announced Tuesday. But officials said about 800,000 current beneficiaries of the program will not be immediately affected by what they called an “orderly wind down” of former President Barack Obama’s policy.


Yes, seems to be true, but doesn't immediately affect that rather large number of children and teens whose parents broke the law with impunity to bring them here.

That's more than the entire population of San Francisco.

If you want proof that any particular policy is favoring business owners and fucking over ordinary citizens, you simply need to check whether the US Chamber of Commerce supports that policy. And they do indeed support DACA as a way to keep wages down for the poorest US citizens via competition from illegals:

https://www.uschamber.com/press-release/us-chamber-statement-daca-decision
98 epitaph   2017 Sep 5, 9:49am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
iwog says
Do you even know what the DACA is? What's the argument for getting rid of it?

It validates illegal immigrants in this country.

How can a country that is struggling to take care of its own people be able to take in immigrants? I genuinely feel bad for these people because they would most definitely have a better life in the US than wherever they are from, but we cannot save the world, it is naive to think that taking in any immigrants at all is going to help, all it does is weaken the US.
100 Tenpoundbass   2017 Sep 5, 9:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says

Do you even know what the DACA is? What's the argument for getting rid of it?
If these people matter so much to Liberals then blame that Jive Ass Obama who made exceptional orders not executive orders.
Every executive decision that Jive ass did he just did it to further divide the nation. Allays, it was his shtick. He signed orders again and again, and most did not qualify for. But loop holes were abound to include people from other countries. Then he couldn't even be bothered to give those people papers.

He deferred it, like a punk ass little bitch, Obama dropped the ball.

Sorry that wasn't Trump's legislation that was Obama's and he approached it in his typical petty Chicken Shit fashion.

Now pay ATTENTION and shut up and watch Iwog. I want you witness a decisive Master, who does everything for Americans whether you want to be one or not.

Your beef on this DACA bullshit is with the ever incompetent Obama 44 cocksucker. Not President Donald Trump.
101 iwog   2017 Sep 5, 11:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Tenpoundbass says
Your beef on this DACA bullshit is with the ever incompetent Obama 44 cocksucker. Not President Donald Trump.


Probably why so many Republicans support it. Obama is in thick with Republicans.
102 Dan8267   2017 Sep 5, 11:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
bob2356 says
We don't have failed border control. We have a failure to remove the incentive to cross the border.


We have both, and both problems are economically and politically motivated. Both problems could easily be solved with political will.
103 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 2:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Not all of the Dreamers are from third world shitholes. The guy who famously heckled Obama was a South Korean, from a wealthy, industrialized, republic.

iwog says
Probably why so many Republicans support it. Obama is in thick with Republicans.


The US Chamber of Commerce and IT firms love the illegal Dreamers too.

The CoC Suckers are on the payroll.
104 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 2:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
Certainly our corporate masters would love it if wages were driven to starvation level for poorer American citizens through unlimited free immigration for illegals.


And landlords love the pressure on housing.
105 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 2:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        


We have limited resources. American Citizens should be first in line, and then we can talk about the surplus. Also, it would be great to have A) Moderate 5% inflation and B) Labor Shortages for a few years to help Middle America.

And by the way, the TDS Sufferers who predicted Trump would cave in to the CoC Suckers were WRONG YET AGAIN.

jazz_music says
joeyjojojunior says
Trump talks big and gets McGee and Bass all excited, but when the rubber hits the road he folds like a cheap suit.


Classic gold comment!


Wrong Again,
TDS Sufferers' lousy predictions.
Longer Than,
Salon pieces sayin' Pedos - Okay,
Wrong Again,
Guessing Trump would let Dreamers Stay.

Stronger than,
any Antifa's wrist can grip 'em
Truer than,
That Fake WaPo news,
Faster than,
Doctor Evil says Zip 'em
Trump does what he says he'll do.

Trump does what he says he'll do.

Apologies to Dan Fogelberg.
106 mell   2017 Sep 5, 2:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
My favorite example is expanding the number of unskilled visas by double.


You keep repeating this and while it may or may not be a concession/boondoggle these temporary visas, usually with no path to permanent residency. Overall DT has reduced immigration, esp. illegal immigration quite a bit so far. So I'd say - no matter whether one is for or against his policies - he kept this promise for the most part.
107 errc   2017 Sep 5, 2:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Overall DT has reduced immigration, esp. illegal immigration quite a bit so far.

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Can you link that data for me, please?
108 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 2:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Choo Choo Bitchez! You're Going Back!

109 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 5, 3:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
And by the way, the TDS Sufferers who predicted Trump would cave in to the CoC Suckers were WRONG YET AGAIN.


lol--has the rubber hit the road yet? Has Trump actually ended the program? Once again McGee falls for Trump's empty rhetoric.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Wrong Again,


Get back to me in 6 months and let's see who was wrong.
110 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 5, 3:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Trump does what he says he'll do.


Can you give me the list of what Trump has done that he said he'd do?

(and ending TPP doesn't qualify. He did nothing-it was already dead)
111 mell   2017 Sep 5, 3:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
errc says
Overall DT has reduced immigration, esp. illegal immigration quite a bit so far.

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Can you link that data for me, please?


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/9/illegal-immigration-southwest-border-down-70-pct/
"with the flow of children and families dropping even faster as analysts say the administration’s commitment to enforcing the law has changed the reality along the border."

more to come:

http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/How-Trump-backed-bill-on-legal-immigration-could-11730151.php
"A bill backed by President Trump that would sharply reduce the number of immigrants who could legally enter the U.S. raised questions in California over possible effects on families, demographics and key sectors of the economy."
112 errc   2017 Sep 5, 4:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Overall apprehensions by the Border Patrol dropped to just 11,129 in April, according to numbers released Tuesday, marking the lowest monthly total for any month in decades.


Border apprehensions are considered a rough yardstick for the overall flow of illegal immigration, so a drop in arrests is believed to reflect an overall drop in the flow of people.

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So you're just assuming that border crossings are down. Because Enforcement is apprehending less people?

Yikes, not sure you can build your assumptions upon any shakier ground then that.

And lol @ Washington Times, the bastion of #FakeNews
113 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 4:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
lol--has the rubber hit the road yet? Has Trump actually ended the program? Once again McGee falls for Trump's empty rhetoric.


Once again, Joeyjojojunior tries to dodge a prediction he made that Trump wouldn't end DACA, and unless Congress acts - something no President can do anything about - it's done and over with. If Congress does act, it's the end of the Graham-McCain-McConnell wing of the GOP, the GOPe.

TPP was moving forward at a steady pace when Trump killed it.

Trump appointed a #2A Judge to replace Scalia.

Trump's several-Muslim-Country-ban was put in place this Summer. No matter how many Democrats try to hem and haw about specifics, it's clear that Trump is reducing immigration as promised. Refugees, "Dreamers", etc.

NAFTA is being negotiated, this very moment, right now - as promised.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, the ones that were big deals to me.

Promises Kept.

bob2356 says


Trump will do whatever the big corporate political donors want done on illegal immigration


Another Wrong Prediction. TDS Sufferers, stop guessing. Esp. you Joeyjojojunior.
114 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 4:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Patrick says


This chart explains rampant immigration, lack of affordable housing, free trade, AetnaCEOCare, etc. Just look at the top donors.
115 mell   2017 Sep 5, 4:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Somebody explain how DACA or other amnesty orders/bills are in any way fair to those standing in line legally for 10+ years and paying their dues, risking to get denied in the end?
116 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 5, 4:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
nce again, Joeyjojojunior tries to dodge a prediction he made that Trump wouldn't end DACA, and unless Congress acts - something no President can do anything about - it's done and over with. If Congress does act, it's the end of the Graham-McCain-McConnell wing of the GOP, the GOPe.


No, it's not over at all. Trump has said he will IN THE FUTURE end DACA. Just like he said he was going to end NAFTA. Like I said, talk to me in 6 months when he says he is going to end it.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
TPP was moving forward at a steady pace when Trump killed it.


TPP was dead. What progress was being made on TPP--how exactly was it moving forward?

TwoScoopsMcGee says
NAFTA is being negotiated, this very moment, right now - as promised.


You mean the NAFTA that Trump declared he was going to kill until Canada and Mexico called and he folded in 3 seconds? That NAFTA? Can you share the details of the supposed renegotiation?
117 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 5:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
No, it's not over at all. Trump has said he will IN THE FUTURE end DACA. Just like he said he was going to end NAFTA. Like I said, talk to me in 6 months when he says he is going to end it.


Wait, he said he was going to renegotiate NAFTA, and if there weren't big changes, he'd kill it. He repeated himself just days ago on this.

DACA is expiring, it disappears shortly unless Congress takes action. That's getting rid of it, any way you slice it.

joeyjojojunior says
TPP was dead. What progress was being made on TPP--how exactly was it moving forward?

TPP was very much a thing until Trump killed it on his first days in office.

Obama supported it and it was actively being finalized for approval by the Senate. Had Clinton won, I guarantee it would have been approved by the Senate and signed by Corporate Clinton by now (talk about a CoC Sucker candidate) as it was the Gold Standard, and she carefully said she only didn't support it "As currently written", meaning any token, superficial change would be enough for her to go back to calling it the "Gold Standard".


joeyjojojunior says
You mean the NAFTA that Trump declared he was going to kill until Canada and Mexico called and he folded in 3 seconds? That NAFTA? Can you share the details of the supposed renegotiation?


On the campaign Trump promised to transform or scrap NAFTA. And he reminded everybody about Art of the Deal again, which I'm not going to repeat the strategy YET AGAIN.
118 anonymous   2017 Sep 5, 5:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
TPP was dead. What progress was being made on TPP--how exactly was it moving forward?


Now that is pure propoganda. Dems are so lucky-don't have t do anything-their base rabidly supports them no matter what. Repubs on the other hand-poor guys, their base actually demands soemthing in return for a vote.

joeyjojojunior says
No, it's not over at all. Trump has said he will IN THE FUTURE end DACA. Just like he said he was going to end NAFTA. Like I said, talk to me in 6 months when he says he is going to end it.


You are kidding right??????
119 errc   2017 Sep 5, 6:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Now that is pure propoganda. Dems are so lucky-don't have t do anything-their base rabidly supports them no matter what. Repubs on the other hand-poor guys, their base actually demands soemthing in return for a vote.

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Lol could anything be further from the truth? Democrats are fractured with a bunch of different groups of people coming at them from a bunch of different angles

Republicans use simple, mindless, unquestioning rubes by pulling on their God Fearing strings. The Mexicans are taking your jobs! The blacks are taking your women! Abortion! Jesus loves good Republicans!!!

Get a clue
120 errc   2017 Sep 5, 6:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
errc says
Overall apprehensions by the Border Patrol dropped to just 11,129 in April, according to numbers released Tuesday, marking the lowest monthly total for any month in decades.


Border apprehensions are considered a rough yardstick for the overall flow of illegal immigration, so a drop in arrests is believed to reflect an overall drop in the flow of people.

--------------

So you're just assuming that border crossings are down. Because Enforcement is apprehending less people?

Yikes, not sure you can build your assumptions upon any shakier ground then that.

And lol @ Washington Times, the bastion of #FakeNews


It seems the Trumpcucks missed this one, huh?
121 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 5, 6:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Wait, he said he was going to renegotiate NAFTA, and if there weren't big changes, he'd kill it. He repeated himself just days ago on this.


He said lots of things, including this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-nafta-canada-mexico-justin-trudeau-leaders-enrique-pe-a-nieto-a7705311.html
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Obama supported it and it was actively being finalized for approval by the Senate. Had Clinton won, I guarantee it would have been approved by the Senate and signed by Corporate Clinton by now (talk about a CoC Sucker candidate) as it was the Gold Standard, and she carefully said she only didn't support it "As currently written", meaning any token, superficial change would be enough for her to go back to calling it the "Gold Standard".


Clinton was on record saying she was against it. Regardless, was there a bill on his desk to sign? Did he veto it? How exactly did he kill it?

TwoScoopsMcGee says
On the campaign Trump promised to transform or scrap NAFTA. And he reminded everybody about Art of the Deal again, which I'm not going to repeat the strategy YET AGAIN.


Ah-the 5D chess again. So, what concessions did the US get after Trump's threats??
123 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 5, 6:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
null says
You are kidding right??????


No--you guys have a very hard time understanding what it means for DACA to be dead. Can people still apply for DACA protection tomorrow? In 2 months? How exactly is that dead?

All indications are that if Congress passes a DACA law, Trump will sign it. All he's really doing is pissing off Republican Congress and firing up his ever shrinking base.
124 jazz_music   2017 Sep 5, 11:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Choo Choo Bitchez! You're Going Back!


Just because you got that tattooed on your ass doesn't mean it's going to happen.
125 BlueSardine   2017 Sep 6, 5:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Coincidentally, this coincides with the price breaks on prozac...

errc says
Overall apprehensions by the Border Patrol dropped to just 11,129 in April
126 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 6, 6:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
And surprise, surprise. Trump is already laying the groundwork for his capitulation. That took a whole 12 hours.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tweets-hell-revisit-daca-breitbart-fires-back/
"Tweeting late Tuesday after Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the administration's plans to overhaul the immigration law, which would include a 6-month window of adjudication, Mr. Trump wrote, "Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama administration was unable to do.) If they can't, I will revisit this issue!"

Who could have ever guessed that Trump would back down and that DACA really isn't dead. Oh yeah, that was me.
127 Tenpoundbass   2017 Sep 6, 7:12am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
Obama was a Jiveass Punk bitch that punted the ball.

He was not a true leader, everything that dimwitted cocksucker did was just to agitate and create division in this country.

pay attention you LOSERS, watch a true leader at work. Trump ended DACA so something more permanent could be done.
And for all you lazy media sonsofbitches, out there that never once called this whole thing out for what it was.
A deferred Act, because Obama never EVER did anything permanent for anyone but himself and his legacy and those he thought would help solidify his undue legacy.
128 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 6, 9:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
1. He will stand up for what he believes and end DACA.


He sure did.

joeyjojojunior says
"Tweeting late Tuesday after Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the administration's plans to overhaul the immigration law, which would include a 6-month window of adjudication, Mr. Trump wrote, "Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama administration was unable to do.) If they can't, I will revisit this issue!"


Yes, winding down DACA is total capitulation.

It's a political bomb aimed at the GOPe daring them to legalize Dreamers to help pro-Trump primary challengers, hence the 6 months.

It's funny, if Trump capitulated, shouldn't you be dancing in the streets?
129 mell   2017 Sep 6, 9:40am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
Kinda funny to see the whole TDS play out and having all these punks here insinuating how much smarter they are than DT when in reality Trump has been playing an extremely tight game. Revoking unconstitutional executive orders is the right thing to do, and punting back to congress is the way to delegate the work back to where it belongs. Of course this lets the leftoid idiots steaming complaints on social media whoring sites sound hollow as well as it lets him garner more support from the center by not catering with every move to the right-wingers who claim "owning" him and being owed. DT is everything but stupid and has so far been extremely effective within the realm of what is politically possible.
130 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 6, 10:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Yes, winding down DACA is total capitulation.

It's a political bomb aimed at the GOPe daring them to legalize Dreamers to help pro-Trump primary challengers, hence the 6 months.

It's funny, if Trump capitulated, shouldn't you be dancing in the streets?


He's already indicated that he just made another empty threat and will re-evaluate before he actually ends anything.

But why would I be dancing in the streets? I think ending DACA would be cruel as well as horrible politics but it's not a high priority of mine. I just find it hilarious that you fall for the same Trump gag every time.
131 joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 6, 10:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
mell says
Kinda funny to see the whole TDS play out and having all these punks here insinuating how much smarter they are than DT when in reality Trump has been playing an extremely tight game. Revoking unconstitutional executive orders is the right thing to do, and punting back to congress is the way to delegate the work back to where it belongs. Of course this lets the leftoid idiots steaming complaints on social media whoring sites sound hollow as well as it lets him garner more support from the center by not catering with every move to the right-wingers who claim "owning" him and being owed. DT is everything but stupid and has so far been extremely effective within the realm of what is politically possible.


Can you give me any examples of being politically effective? His approval rating seems to argue otherwise.

Let's see--he's got a Republican House. A Republican Senate. A Republican Supreme Court. And he's accomplished.... nothing? No ACA repeal. No Wall. No tax reform. No changes to any trade policies. N. Korea situation has degraded. No change to policy w.r.t. Saudi Arabia.

Tell me--wtf has he accomplished?
133 bob2356   2017 Sep 6, 11:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
mell says
DT is everything but stupid and has so far been extremely effective within the realm of what is politically possible.


What is politically possible is far far greater than what trump has accomplished.
134 marcus   2017 Sep 6, 11:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Tenpoundbass says
Trump ended DACA so something more permanent could be done.


mell says
Revoking unconstitutional executive orders is the right thing to do, and punting back to congress is the way to delegate the work back to where it belongs.


Yeah, but Obama's executive order was only done after a protracted period of over a decade of attempting to address this situation in congress and failing to do so. Congress is broken, and overly dominated by rigged congressional districts that only allow Tea Party extremists to represent them.

Why doesn't the "liberal" media talk more about how rigged the house is ?
135 anonymous   2017 Sep 6, 1:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
null says
marcus says
Tenpoundbass says
Trump ended DACA so something more permanent could be done.


mell says
Revoking unconstitutional executive orders is the right thing to do, and punting back to congress is the way to delegate the work back to where it belongs.


Yeah, but Obama's executive order was only done after a protracted period of over a decade of congress' attempting to address this situation and failing to do so. Congress is broken, and overly dominated by rigged congressional districts that only allow Tea Party extremists to represent them.

Why doesn't the "liberal" media talk more about how rigged the House is ?
136 anonymous   2017 Sep 6, 1:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
marcus says
Tenpoundbass says
Trump ended DACA so something more permanent could be done.


mell says
Revoking unconstitutional executive orders is the right thing to do, and punting back to congress is the way to delegate the work back to where it belongs.


Yeah, but Obama's executive order was only done after a protracted period of over a decade of congress' attempting to address this situation and failing to do so. Congress is broken, and overly dominated by rigged congressional districts that only allow Tea Party extremists to represent them.

Why doesn't the "liberal" media talk more about how rigged the house is ?

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