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1 mell   2017 Sep 1, 11:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
This is actually a clear assault by the cop, but nobody cares much since it happened to a White nurse in Utah. Can't make any big fake news stories with this.
2 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 1, 12:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Think again, Officer Payne is being sued, and I would guess the injured man he wanted to illegally draw blood from has a suit from the police high-speed pursuit that casued the crash that injured him. (also a video).
http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/jeff-payne-salt-lake-city-detective-wubbels-arrest-blood-draw/ But take heart, the cop can always go to work for Antifa.
3 mell   2017 Sep 1, 12:17pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
The story is supposedly different, and that guy had nothing to do with the crash as he was a victim of the police chase. But none of that is confirmed and your theory could hold as well, however none of that matters. The law is clear, and without a warrant they can't draw blood from an unconscious person. If you don't like it you can try and change the law, but you cannot assault people that follow the law.
4 Dan8267   2017 Sep 1, 12:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
mell says
This is actually a clear assault by the cop, but nobody cares much since it happened to a White nurse in Utah.


Bullshit, every cop involved should be thrown in jail for at least 20 years. Every one of them is a criminal who committed assault, false arrest, and conspiracy. One could even consider this a terrorist attack as they were clearly trying to terrorize this woman.
5 Dan8267   2017 Sep 1, 12:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Why didn't a good guy with a gun point the gun at the cops and place them under citizen arrest, shooting the cops if they resisted?

I thought a good guy with a gun was the answer to bad guys with guns. Is that not so? Well, you have three bad guys here committing many crimes and assaulting an innocent, law biding woman. Where are the good guys with the guns? Why don't they draw?
6 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 1, 1:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
mell, the police Lt in the case said they had 'implied consent'. As a Libertarian, I don't think so, but, given how far MADD has undermined the 4th Amendment for drivers it is possible.
7 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 1, 2:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
My bad. Utah requires a warrant to get unconsented blood. Whodathunk Utah leading civil liberty protection? But, I stand by my indictment of MADD because most states charge refusal to submit to a test (i.e.. give consent) as a separate offense and suspend your license. A major problem for a truck driver. Still what probable cause do the cops have? He was in a vehicular accident after we forced an escaping driver into you head on?
8 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 1, 2:25pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
The Police needed blood because w hope the guy we cased to be grievously wounded is drugged or drunk and we can muddy the waters when a lawsuit names us is well established in practice, but not law. You can see that by the behavior of the cops in this video.
9 Dan8267   2017 Sep 1, 3:08pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
georgeliberte says
Still what probable cause do the cops have? He was in a vehicular accident after we forced an escaping driver into you head on?


They are trying to cover their asses. Hoping they can find or stage any amount of alcohol in his blood so that they can defend against the inevitable lawsuit from him or his family.

Most cops are criminals. The video in the original post demonstrates this. If even one out of three cops were honest, one of those cops would have arrested the main cop, Jeff Payne, as soon as he laid hands on his victim. Instead they assaulted the person they are suppose to be protecting.

Firing is not good enough. This criminal cops need to go to prison for a long time. This is way more serious than selling meth.

If the courts don't prosecute and win the case against these criminal cops, it's inevitable that some other vigilante will start targeting random cops. So even if you don't give a shit about the victim of these cops, if you care about other cops you should want to see these criminal ones behind bars. The only way to stop vigilantes from rising up is for the courts to actually serve justice when cops commit crimes.
10 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 1, 3:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Cops are also lousy liars even though they get so much practice. It is because we are trained to believe them. Cops will even lie when they don't have to, to obtain a conviction. When they do, they are endangering good conviction with their lies that were never needed.
Yes I understood it was CYA, but I had not thought they might actually dirty the blood themselves. BTW, the truck driver is also a reserve police officer in Idaho.
11 Roidy   2017 Sep 1, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Gentle Reader,

This shit is on the nightly news. Fuckstick cop can't be troubled to do it right. Better yet, cop can't go "tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving". It should be interesting how this turns out.

Regards,
Roidy
12 errc   2017 Sep 1, 4:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
If the police aren't free to frame, rape, and pillage the citizenry whenever they please, then the libruls have won, and FREEDOM! Has no meaning
13 Strategist   2017 Sep 1, 4:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Dan8267 says
Bullshit, every cop involved should be thrown in jail for at least 20 years. Every one of them is a criminal who committed assault, false arrest, and conspiracy. One could even consider this a terrorist attack as they were clearly trying to terrorize this woman.


Ha ha ha. Terrorist attack? Dan, you are so funny.

Dan8267 says

Why didn't a good guy with a gun point the gun at the cops and place them under citizen arrest, shooting the cops if they resisted?


How would anyone know the cop was in the wrong? Would you arrest a cop?
14 Dan8267   2017 Sep 2, 7:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Hopefully with a minimum of ten years for the principle criminal cop and at least 12 months for all his accomplices. Plus civil judgements that garner their wages for decades.
15 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 2, 7:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
A real cop would have just sent a round through someplace soft and put a bucket under the wound. What is wrong with this guy?
16 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 2, 8:31pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
Here's the whole story: "The patient, William Gray of Idaho, was driving a semi truck in Northern Utah when he was struck head-on by a man who veered into oncoming traffic on a highway in Wellsville on July 27. That driver, who died in the crash, was fleeing from the police in a high-speed chase. Utah Highway Patrol officers were responding to calls about an erratic driver, and the man, Marco Torres, 26, led police on a chase rather than get pulled over and detained."

When Torres hit the truck, the only thing on the cops' minds was their pensions and diversion of liability of the crash to the truck driver that was nearly killed and will crippled for life by their decision to entertain themselves with a high speed car chase.

In the time framed by that impact and the delivery of Gray to the hospital, the cops called each other on their own cell phones or possibly on unlisted pre-pay burner phones they keep for these kinds of occasions, and decided the only course left to them was to prove Gray was an impaired reckless driver who set himself up to be hit by Torres by his obviously degraded physical condition, subject to the deranging effect of dope, alcohol, aspirin, McDonald's french fries, Wrigley's Spearmint gum, or anything else they could detect (or confect) as present in his bloodstream.

Even if they have all the county lab guys in their pocket, they can't bribe them or threaten them into confecting results that Gray was stoned and drunk if they have no sample at all.
17 Strategist   2017 Sep 2, 8:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
When Torres hit the truck, the only thing on the cops' minds was their pensions and diversion of liability of the crash to the truck driver that was nearly killed and will crippled for life by their decision to entertain themselves with a high speed car chase.

In the time framed by that impact and the delivery of Gray to the hospital, the cops called each other on their own cell phones or possibly on unlisted pre-pay burner phones they keep for these kinds of occasions, and decided the only course left to them was to prove Gray was an impaired reckless driver who set himself up to be hit by Torres by his obviously degraded physical condition, subject to the deranging effect of dope, alcohol, aspirin, McDonald's french fries, Wrigley's Spearmint gum, or anything else they could detect (or confect) as present in his bloodstream.

Even if they have all the county lab guys in their pocket, they can't bribe them or threaten them into confecting results that Gray was stoned and...


Wow. You figured out all this without a shred of evidence or facts. You must be a psychic.
18 Dan8267   2017 Sep 2, 8:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
When Torres hit the truck, the only thing on the cops' minds was their pensions and diversion of liability of the crash to the truck driver that was nearly killed and will crippled for life by their decision to entertain themselves with a high speed car chase.


Even if they have all the county lab guys in their pocket, they can't bribe them or threaten them into confecting results that Gray was stoned and drunk if they have no sample at all.


Exactly
19 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 2, 9:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
Likely, the whole scheme involved arresting Gray for drunk driving (when the lab reports his blood was 29% alcohol and 60% quaaludes) and showing *him* the copy of the September issue of Brides Magazine and advising him he'll need one when he's chained to a pipe in the shower at Uintas if he doesn't confess.
20 Ceffer   2017 Sep 2, 10:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Why didn't they just pour a bottle of booze over Gray and plant marijuana and cocaine on him to give them probable cause. Dumb cops.

They could also have arrested him for obstruction of justice for interfering in a police operation.
21 PCGyver   2017 Sep 3, 4:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
She tells him that blood can only be drawn if the patient is conscious and gives consent or is under arrest. Otherwise, she tells Payne she needs to see a warrant, citing a 2016 U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

So this is law in all states not just Utah.

And the Major is pissed off. They need the book thrown at them.
22 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 3, 4:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Ceffer says
Why didn't they just pour a bottle of booze over Gray and plant marijuana and cocaine on him to give them probable cause. Dumb cops.

They could also have arrested him for obstruction of justice for interfering in a police operation.


Likely, within the department's memory, they tried that and failed in another case in which they forgot when they killed the public defender who challenged it for lack of evidence - no blood test or breatholizer - that he would be replaced by another PD.
23 georgeliberte   2017 Sep 3, 5:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
PCGyver says, 'She tells him that blood can only be drawn if the patient is conscious and gives consent or is under arrest. Otherwise, she tells Payne she needs to see a warrant, citing a 2016 U.S. Supreme Court ruling."
Thanks for the info, so that is how this got by MADD. But I am also surprised the U.S. Supreme Court ruling did not include an escape clause 'to be used only when cops are covering up their f$#@ up.
24 mell   2017 Sep 3, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Dan8267 says
Bullshit, every cop involved should be thrown in jail for at least 20 years.


Hyperbole that you probably don't believe yourself. There are a few bad apples and they need to be punished accordingly like anybody else. Nobody should be above the law.

PCGyver says
She tells him that blood can only be drawn if the patient is conscious and gives consent or is under arrest. Otherwise, she tells Payne she needs to see a warrant, citing a 2016 U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

So this is law in all states not just Utah.

And the Major is pissed off. They need the book thrown at them.


He was placed on (so far paid) leave. A first step but not enough, but investigations started.
25 Dan8267   2017 Sep 3, 9:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
mell says
Dan8267 says
Bullshit, every cop involved should be thrown in jail for at least 20 years.


Hyperbole that you probably don't believe yourself. There are a few bad apples and they need to be punished accordingly like anybody else. Nobody should be above the law.


If there were only a few bad apples, then the first cop would have been arrested by the other two, and baring that, the first three would have been arrested by the other cops who came on the scene later. All of those cops were bad by aiding and abetting a criminal cop.

Furthermore, since these cops committed multiple felonies including conspiracy, they still should be caged for 20 years. This is not a no harm, no foul situation.
26 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 3, 10:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Dan8267 says

Furthermore, since these cops committed multiple felonies including conspiracy, they still should be caged for 20 years. This is not a no harm, no foul situation.


As far as the cops were concerned the nurse was lucky she wasn't killed, raped and eaten in exactly that order and 'got a favor' from the department.
28 Dan8267   2017 Sep 4, 2:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Idaho police department thanks 'heroic' nurse for standing up to Utah cop who arrested her for refusing to draw blood from an unconscious patient
Det Jeff Payne is now subject to a criminal investigation, according to authorities
Rigby Police Department in Idaho thanked Wubbels for her 'heroic' act on Friday
The department also released the victim's name as reserve Officer William Gray
'Protecting the rights of others is truly a heroic act,' department wrote Facebook


So it turns out that the unconscious truck driver was also a part-time cop in Rigby, Idaho. Well, that explains why the Utah police are now so apologetic.

I wish the cops had taken the blood illegally and gotten the lab to say there was alcohol in it. Then they'd be caught falsifying evidence, which was the entire intent from the beginning.
29 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 4, 3:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Dan8267 says
I wish the cops had taken the blood illegally and gotten the lab to say there was alcohol in it. Then they'd be caught falsifying evidence, which was the entire intent from the beginning.


Right, the pre-pensioners union would be placed in the position to defend the illegal draw and doping of sample or falsifying report and also arguing cops have every right to drink on the job because they are in fights for their lives with jihadi, negroes, college undergrads, etc

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