errc says

It's almost as if they're not thinking this through.

Lol, good point about not thinking things through. What about Democrats who will not say a word about the intolerant domination of the media, Hollywood, universities, and tech companies by Democrats?

Most corporate boards even lean Democratic, not Republican. https://ideologicalcartography.com/2010/07/12/citizens-united-and-the-myth-of-a-conservative-corporate-america/
The entire Trump phenomenon is simply a reaction to decades of arrogance and indoctrination by a left. When the left can introspect enough to realize this, chill out a little, and show respect for fellow citizens who see things differently, especially those whose jobs have been outsourced, public discourse will get better. Pelosi made a good start, but was roundly attacked for it.

If you want things to get better, please honestly consider what is really driving support for Trump. And it ain't racism.

Patrick says

Most corporate boards even lean Democratic, not Republican. https://ideologicalcartography.com/2010/07/12/citizens-united-and-the-myth-of-a-conservative-corporate-america/

Patrick--that is confirmation bias at its finest. Talk about a small sample size. And using campaign contribution as a proxy for political leaning is dubious at best. Corporate boards are absolutely dominated by conservatives

Patrick says

If you want things to get better, please honestly consider what is really driving support for Trump. And it ain't racism

I'd call it a mix of nationalism (with some racism) and a lot of people falling for a snake oil salesman.

joeyjojojunior says

a mix of nationalism (with some racism) and a lot of people falling for a snake oil salesman.

Wow it's like the propaganda machine is so infused into our lives that it doesn't even exist!!!

There will definitely be some more belt-tightening before glorious trickle down comes. In the mean time shareholder value is up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up.

Get back to work or it will never come!

The Left extreme is communism. The Right extreme is Fascism. And they are both forms of Totalitarianism.
This means that the political spectrum is NOT a line. It's a circle. Go too far in either direction and it's a fast track to totalitarian government a la USSR or Nazi Germany. Same result, a few control everything and write the rules to suit themselves.

The Republican Party is truly messed up. It needs a massive overhaul to bring it back into the realm of good governance.

The Democrat party has swung hard towards the totalitarian side and must be opposed at any cost. Unfortunately, this is stifling any real reform in the Republican Party, because all they have to say is "We aren't Democrats," and they win the election.

I bitch about GOPe all the Time. I don't want GOPe or Democrat Corporate Socialism. I want Populist Liberal Civic Nationalism

The real question is why do Democrats demonize the largest segment of the Working Class so much?

Likewise, I don't consider myself a Republican at all. But I find the Democratic party yet more repulsive lately.

It is really an excellent question why the Democrats demonize whites so much, especially poor whites.

NO ONE CAN RESIST CANNIBAL! ANARCHY!

It is our DESTINY!

errc says

Why do Trumpcucks...

Why do Trumpcucks equate something that some SJW (an extreme minority in the democratic party) says, with what all democrats think or with where the power in the democratic party is ?

Patrick says

It is really an excellent question why the Democrats demonize whites so much, especially poor whites.

It's true that many democrats may be less terrified of whites losing their majority position demographically, and in congress and in the suites and corporate boardrooms, than the typical Trumpcuck.

I certainly don't equate republicans with white supremacism in the way that Patrick equates SJW beliefs to be mainstream democratic ideology or democratic ideology that in any real way will ever affect important government policy. I'm not assuming that all republicans or even most buy into the nonsense that TPB spreads, although I do believe that far too many right wingers think that beliefs rather than facts matter most, and therefore they endeavor to push fantasy beliefs that have no support in the reality based world.

But even this in not something that I project onto all republicans. And yet I know many more are sympathetic with any propaganda that steers people clear of the dreaded liberalism. Many know who Trump is, and only wanted him President as what they felt to be a corrective for something they can't even put their finger on.

The biggest question is why are some people so ready to be moved by irrelevant noise from the extremes of the other political side, as an excuse to NOT talk about issues that matter. Instead of talking about global warming, energy, corporate income taxes or debating what our country's foreign policy should be, we end up getting caught up in what are often very subtle differences in perspective on race issues in the US. or worse, gender pronouns or vague pronouncements about political correctness.



Quigley says

The Democrat party has swung hard towards the totalitarian side

I'd like to hear your best examples of this. If you're going to site antifa and SJWs, then that's absurd. These people don't represent a significant part of the democratic party.

Can you state meaningful policies democrats have pushed in congress or the executive that reflect these totalitarian tendencies ?

I can on the right. Trump has brought back asset seizure by police without warrant as well as unfair eminent domain policies. He would like to make journalists that point out facts or reasoning that make him look bad, the enemy. He publicly admires Putin and other totalitarian dictators. And you're worried about totalitarianism on the left ?

The truth is that in all the ways that really matter, regarding government policies, this country has been shifting to the right for almost 4 decades now.

marcus says

The biggest question is why are some people so ready to be moved by irrelevant noise from the extremes of the other political side, as an excuse to NOT talk about issues that matter. Instead of talking about global warming, energy, corporate income taxes or debating what our countries foreign policy should be,

Maybe the goal of the media is actually to divide us all with stupid partisan shit precisely so that we do not talk about issues that really matter.

I would not put it past the oligarchy to have this agenda, and the means to carry it out.

The truth is that I don't see myself as necessarily qualified to make judgements on questions such as corporate income taxes. But I remember a time (pre-truthiness) when the fairness doctrine was still in effect, and some of the best minds (maybe an exaggeration) on both sides of issues would discuss and essentially teach the voters what the questions are all about. Way more people wanted to understand the questions and base opinions on facts and reasoning, even if still affected by partisan politics.

(by the way, this still exists now in rare programming such as on PBS, but this type of programming too heavy on facts and quality debate is now considered liberally biassed by many (that have never watched it). For example, the news hour on PBS)

Those days are mostly long gone. Now too many people of average intelligence (or lower) consider themselves completely qualified to have an opinion based on nothing more than emotion or what their tribe tells them, and then they go to their TV, radio and internet bubbles looking to back their way in to supporting what they want to believe.

Patrick says

I would not put it past the oligarchy to have this agenda, and the means to carry it out.

Not sure if it's the goal of the media as a whole, but I do think it's what happens.

Patrick says

marcus says

The biggest question is why are some people so ready to be moved by irrelevant noise from the extremes of the other political side, as an excuse to NOT talk about issues that matter. Instead of talking about global warming, energy, corporate income taxes or debating what our countries foreign policy should be,

Maybe the goal of the media is actually to divide us all with stupid partisan shit precisely so that we do not talk about issues that really matter.

I would not put it past the oligarchy to have this agenda, and the means to carry it out.

And this is exactly why threads like this are pure bullshit wastes of time. The truth is Demcrats and Republicans have been co-opted by the oligarchs to perpetuate their continued and more extreme domination of people who are not only clueless about how they are being taken advantage of by the very people who claim to "represent" them in government but that these government officials are almost all bought and paid for by the oligarchs themselves. The myth that my blue tribe or red tribe is better than the other political side of the aisle is just a bullshit farce that hides the fact that both sides are complicit in the policies and travesties that INSURE the oligarchs maintain their power and wealth while the rest of us are fighting over the scraps and distracted by partisan bickering.

There is enough wealth and resources in the nation and even in the world as a whole to insure every person has quality housing, quality food, quality time for family and proper exercise, quality health care, clean energy etc...

But the powers that be don't want to share and are forcing an increasing percentage of us (near majority) to be completely dependent on them. That is they way they want it, they want us all to come crawling to them.

Trumpcuck seems to be an oxymoron by my estimation. Derogatory name aside, I will speak for myself as to why I blame leftists (leftist = collective) for most bullshit ... It is simply because the vast majority of cases where I trace back to the source from some stupid, fucked up, backwards scenario I find either a lawyer or leftist. Most often the root cause fits both categories. Now, do supposed right-wing (right = individualist) screw up at times? Yes. But it's almost a rule that the slime trail leads back to a leftist, lawyer, or both.

If we could rid the world of Leftists and lawyers, that would be a nice thing for the environment.