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Trump creates 250 open positions at Apple

By TwoScoopsMcGee following x   2017 Sep 5, 6:59pm 527 views   31 comments   watch   quote     share  

1 iwog   2017 Sep 5, 7:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Well considering the jobs he "saved" at Carrier, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Nearly everyone in the world thinks Donald Trump did the wrong thing. I'm sure this will translate into new record high poll numbers at the fake universe polling company. You know, the one you believe in?
2 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 5, 7:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
iwog says
Nearly everyone in the world thinks Donald Trump did the wrong thing. I'm sure this will translate into new record high poll numbers at the fake universe polling company. You know, the one you believe in?


Nearly everybody in the world thought you could tell if somebody was a criminal by measuring their facial features and bone structure. Nearly everybody in the world thought fat would kill you and the secret to fighting heart disease and obesity was to eat grains like a cow. Nearly everybody in the world thought exercise made you more vulnerable to heart disease, and the AMA called Jack Lalane a quack. For decades and decades.

It's amazing Trump's numbers aren't 10% approval, given the Media onslaught and the Elite's deliberate and unprecedented refusal to give a Honeymoon. However, we've already seen the polls get it thunderously wrong recently.

In the Golden Era, we didn't allow unlimited Immigrants and indeed there were multiple "bust the illegals" campaigns taken on by such "Anti-American Values" Presidents like Eisenhower and FDR. We took in mostly European and Educated/Skilled Employees, and far fewer of them relative to now, during the outrageously rapid growth under America First High Wages=High Prosperity philosophy.
3 iwog   2017 Sep 5, 7:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Nearly everybody in the world thought you could tell if somebody was a criminal by measuring their facial features and bone structure. Nearly everybody in the world thought fat would kill you and the secret to fighting heart disease and obesity was to eat grains like a cow. Nearly everybody in the world thought exercise made you more vulnerable to heart disease, and the AMA called Jack Lalane a quack. For decades and decades.


Non-sequitur. All of it.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
It's amazing Trump's numbers aren't 10% approval, given the Media onslaught and the Elite's deliberate and unprecedented refusal to give a Honeymoon. However, we've already seen the polls get it thunderously wrong recently.


It's hard to give a convicted child molester positive press. Likewise it's almost impossible to give an incompetent fuckwit who blasts his own employees daily on Twitter positive press. The problem I have with this argument is that it presumes a level playing field. You pretend that Donald Trump is doing things that merit a pro v. con argument. The reality is that many things Donald Trump does, I could give many examples but you don't care, are universally condemned by people all across the political spectrum.

So I'll ask you for about the 10th time. Explain to me how you give a convicted child molester positive press? If you can't fucking do this then you should be competent enough to know why Donald Trump is being attacked by the press and why no one feels compelled to give him a break.
4 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 5, 7:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Doesn't Apple have enough money to hire wetback snipers?
5 Dan8267   2017 Sep 5, 7:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Trump creates 250 open positions at Apple


He has to actually deport those dreamers to free up those jobs. I doubt that will happen.
6 iwog   2017 Sep 5, 7:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
The inevitable video coverage of innocent people in misery being deported while criminals are allowed to stay and wait is going to be far too much for congressional Republicans to tolerate.

It's pretty funny watching this congress flailing about without any idea what to do. For this I give Trump a tiny bit of credit although it's the same credit I'd give a street mime for making onlookers self-conscious and embarrassed.
7 HEY YOU   2017 Sep 5, 8:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Trump will allow these jobs to filled visas.
Wait! He's signing another Executive Order to ban all visas,protecting jobs for Americans.
Republicans vote against their best interest.

iwog says
It's pretty funny watching this congress flailing about without any idea what to do.

Well said.
8 BorderPatrol   2017 Sep 5, 9:22pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
what about the 250 American born dreamers whose jobs were taken by these rats.

Tim Cook is just another gay man who hates Trump.
9 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Sep 6, 6:55am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
Send them to Ireland, Timmy, we know Apple has an office there.
10 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 8:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
given the Media onslaught and the Elite's deliberate and unprecedented refusal to give a Honeymoon.


Honeymoons are not given, they are earned. The honeymoon comes from the popularity of the person in question. A new president is usually well liked (he won the election, right) and people are optimistic. Trump was quite unpopular, and the people who disliked him did so strongly in a very polarized election. So, there was less incentive for the press to give him a big 'honeymoon'. Trump had been picking a fight with them for the prior year, as well. So Trump prevented a press honeymoon through his own actions toward the press and failure to win over more of the population. Trump did have a legislative honeymoon. Republicans have been loath to cross Trump, and he has gotten away with a ton of stuff. But Trump has spent his time bullying people (in Congress and his own administration) and losing popularity with the electorate. So, his honeymoon with Congresspeople is over, too. He still has strong allies in the House in districts that favor Trump, but his allies are dwindling. His political incompetence and lack of widespread popularity caused him to fail in making any major legislative progress during his honeymoon.
11 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 8:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
BorderPatrol says
the 250 American born dreamers whose jobs were taken by these rats.

Those lower quality people took jobs at less prestigious companies.
12 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 6, 8:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says

Non-sequitur. All of it.


Totally relevant response: The "everybody is for it" is the bandwagon fallacy. It's also factually wrong, as the majority of Americans only agree with legalizing illegals IF they pay a fine and taxes.

YesYNot says

Honeymoons are not given, they are earned.

The incoming president Earns it by being elected. It's unprecedented and a dangerous break with tradition not to give the incoming President one. Name me one elected President in the post-war era that didn't get one. It's a custom that verifies that we accept the Election process and aren't some shitty Latin American country. However, Trump's lack of a Honeymoon is probably the most daring anti-democratic move of Elite Oligarchs undermining American Democracy in decades.

iwog says
So I'll ask you for about the 10th time. Explain to me how you give a convicted child molester positive press? If you can't fucking do this then you should be competent enough to know why Donald Trump is being attacked by the press and why no one feels compelled to give him a break.

Talk about non-sequitors.

How is the (then) brand new duly elected President of the United States is like a Child Molester that I should even bother answering this question? You can ask me 11 times if you can't tell me how Donald Trump is like a child molester.

However, to an entitled Class that believes it deserves, as a matter of course, a rigged labor market in it's favor, and a landlord class that wants rigged housing demand in it's favor, and the brainwashed Multi Cult, their eyes become fogged red with rage that their entitlement to cheap labor, expensive housing, and brown people is in anyway diminished.

The unemployment rate for African-Americans is sky high. Mexican teens who went to shit schools around LA aren't bringing in magical genius sauce, either. But they're cheap and easily bullied.
13 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 6, 9:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
The inevitable video coverage of innocent people in misery being deported while criminals are allowed to stay and wait is going to be far too much for congressional Republicans to tolerate.


They're not supposed to be here.

Maybe cops should stop writing speeding tickets until every last burglary and murder is solved.

Rule of Law!
14 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
a dangerous break with tradition not to give the incoming President one...However, Trump's lack of a Honeymoon is probably the most daring anti-democratic move of Elite Oligarchs

I explained the reasons for the so-called 'honeymoon'. That some presidents get a bigger or smaller honeymoon or that some presidents throw away their honeymoon or make more or less of it is not dangerous. It's natural and has always happened. There is no honeymoon in the constitution. It's something that happens for political reasons from elected officials and for business reasons for the media. There are reasons that Trump got less of a honeymoon and made less of it. The media is the same old media and the politicians are the same old politicians. The new character here is Trump. Yet, you just want to blame everybody else for what Trump so clearly caused. Trump projects the view of a reactive child that the whole world is out to get him, and he accepts no responsibility for the chaos he causes. Don't buy into that lie.
15 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 6, 9:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
YesYNot says

I explained the reasons for the so-called 'honeymoon'. That some presidents get a bigger or smaller honeymoon or that some presidents throw away their honeymoon or make more or less of it is not dangerous. It's natural and has always happened.


You didn't answer my question. Which President besides Trump got no Honeymoon?

YesYNot says
There is no honeymoon in the constitution


It's a civic tradition. There's a lot of things we do not in the Constitution, from Pledge of Allegiance to Town Meetings to Press Conferences to pardoning a Thanksgiving Turkey..

It marks the fact we celebrate a peaceful transition of power where everybody accepts the outcome of a legal election - the kind that Obama and the Very Serious People told us that 'no serious person' believes can be rigged.

You're creating caveats for a tradition that until now had NO caveats.
16 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Sep 6, 9:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
YesYNot says
BorderPatrol says
the 250 American born dreamers whose jobs were taken by these rats.

Those lower quality people took jobs at less prestigious companies.


If these higher quality people could make it here - they can make it anywhere. US owes them nothing. It does owe something to its citizens (the ones you branded as "lower quality people").
17 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 6, 9:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
SpecialSnowflake says
If these higher quality people could make it here - they can make it anywhere. US owes them nothing. It does owe something to its citizens (the ones you branded as "lower quality people").


What's worse is the active people are the only ones who can turn their own country around. By taking them in, we guarantee continued misery abroad.

If we need 20% of the Mexican population for America to survive, why not take over Mexico? It'd be quicker and easier.
18 errc   2017 Sep 6, 9:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
The incoming president Earns it by being elected. It's unprecedented and a dangerous break with tradition not to give the incoming President one. Name me one elected President in the post-war era that didn't get one. It's a custom that verifies that we accept the Election process and aren't some shitty Latin American country.

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How quickly we forget 2008
19 Blurtman   2017 Sep 6, 9:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
We took in mostly European and Educated/Skilled...

Actually the Immigration Act of 1924 banned Eastern and Southern Europeans deemed to be not Anglo-Saxon enough.
20 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
You didn't answer my question. Which President besides Trump got no Honeymoon?

Trump got a honeymoon. His was smaller, because no other president declared war on the media during their campaign and no president told half as many lies as Trump did. Trump did these things, and he received the obviously predictable result - more scrutiny. His actions brought on a predictable result. Refusing to take responsibility and blame everybody else is Trump's MO.
TwoScoopsMcGee says
It marks the fact we celebrate a peaceful transition of power where everybody accepts the outcome of a legal election

The election results were accepted, and we had a peaceful transition of power, despite Trump's many proclamations that the election was rigged. There was a peaceful inauguration, attended by past presidents. Then, there was an absolutely ridiculous 24 hours of alternate facts where Spicer proclaimed that up was down and ""That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period. Both in person and around the globe." Our country has a free press, which immediately proclaimed that the emperor had no clothes, and Trump doubled down. That's one example of many many ways that Trump threw away his honeymoon.
21 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 10:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
SpecialSnowflake says
If these higher quality people could make it here - they can make it anywhere.


Those 250 will make it elsewhere. One question is whether or not they should have to. Another is whether or not it is good for the country. I'd say, no, they should not have to and it would be bad for the country.
22 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Sep 6, 10:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
YesYNot says
SpecialSnowflake says
If these higher quality people could make it here - they can make it anywhere.


Those 250 will make it elsewhere. One question is whether or not they should have to. Another is whether or not it is good for the country. I'd say, no, they should not have to and it would be bad for the country.


I say "the good" from whatever gadget these 250 help to design or market for Timmy doesn't even start to offset the bad impact from constant open and flagrant violation of our laws they represent. Any open contempt for rule of law is corrosive. Don't like the law - win elections and change it. But this "sanctuary dream" shit must stop.

Besides, it's not like they're digging trenches or laying bricks: whatever is their roles at Apple they can continue perform them remotely. Or from Dublin office. IF (and this is a huge if) they all are THAT indispensible.
23 Quigley   2017 Sep 6, 10:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
YesYNot says
Honeymoons are not given, they are earned

Actually, the tradition of a honeymoon started in feudal times when the parents of the newlyweds would GIVE them a month (moon) off to be together with all the mead (honey wine/beer/it's complicated) they could drink.

So yes, actually honeymoons are given not earned.
24 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 10:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Quigley says
So yes, actually honeymoons are given not earned.

Most of the country would happily give Trump a 'moon' off of work to drink booz. It's his own fault if he'd rather wake up in the dumpy white house, fire off tweets, yell at his staff, and battle the media.
25 dublin hillz   2017 Sep 6, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Trump called the mainstream media something verbatim from stalinist playbook - "the enemy of the people." In Stalin's time, "vrag naroda" meant a trip to gulag sanatorium or a bullet to the head in the cell at a time that was unknown to the "enemy." The "enemy of the people" was definitely within the framework of interpretation to be viewed as a threat and a provocation. He deserved no honeymoon whatsoever, this is just ridiculous to expect that media owed him one after such threatening and insulting unpresidential conduct.
26 errc   2017 Sep 6, 11:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Any open contempt for rule of law is corrosive. Don't like the law - win elections and change it. But this "sanctuary dream" shit must stop.

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Why don't you guys ever apply this to ending Cannabis Prohibition?

Kind of hard to have rule of law in a Democracy, when Crony Capitalists thrust horrifically UnAmerican Laws on the populace and then the populace voted to end it, and Trump responds by lying about his intentions, and instead, doubles down with the Terrorists against The People. Why does Trump hate the rule of law, law n order, and the wishes of the People? Why does he stifle the domestic economy and destroy jobs?
27 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 6, 11:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
YesYNot says
Trump got a honeymoon. His was smaller, because no other president declared war on the media during their campaign and no president told half as many lies as Trump did. Trump did these things, and he received the obviously predictable result - more scrutiny. His actions brought on a predictable result. Refusing to take responsibility and blame everybody else is Trump's MO.


Are you serious? He was in office hours before the Pee Bullshit and the full on Russia-Trump crap began. He got NO Honeymoon. In fact, the Stalinist Oligarch Media was on him before inauguration day.
28 mell   2017 Sep 6, 12:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
errc says
Why don't you guys ever apply this to ending Cannabis Prohibition?


Why do you keep repeating this? I support legalization of almost all if not all drugs, and many here do support the legalization of weed. Many on the right are still stuck in prohibition mode for what they deem amoral but also many have become proponents of legalization many years ago already.
29 errc   2017 Sep 6, 1:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
mell says
errc says
Why don't you guys ever apply this to ending Cannabis Prohibition?


Why do you keep repeating this? I support legalization of almost all if not all drugs, and many here do support the legalization of weed. Many on the right are still stuck in prohibition mode for what they deem amoral but also many have become proponents of legalization many years ago already.


I keep repeating it because it is a very important issue that is intertwined with many other singular issues that the SJW's harp about (like this DACA). It's so glaringly obvious that it's an absolute wrong, that our own government could easily resolve, if only they represented the people. Yet somehow, it's never the time to address it. It's fucking beyond bizarre that so many people sit by idly allowing it to continue, because they assume that it doesn't effect them, just because they aren't dopers.

But what happens when your Grandma is aging, and in pain, and can't afford the insanely expensive Government appoved, harmful, nauseating, remedy for pain? You going to shove Endocets down her throat, because Republican Christians are holding us all hostage? What if a simple, healthy, inexpensive treatment exists already in the form of THC? Are you willing to let Grandma suffer so that you can be a shitty American that can't be bothered to fight for what's right?

Or how about when your boy graduates High School, and he gets pulled over with $20 in dried flowers and a personal piece of paraphanelia, because he's smart enough to not drink alcohol, but wants to get a little high so he can fall asleep. Now he has to hope that the insane LEO doesn't maime him in the process of destroying his life with a bunch of fines, probation, and permanent that crippled him in an already challenging job market.

There's literally no other side to the argument. There's no good reason to keep the lie going any longer. Now is the time to Right an age old wrong in this country. And it absolutely will trickle down massive benefits in many other ways.

Primarily, a return to respecting the rule of law
LEO can work to rebuild the bond they once had with their community. This helps solve other actual crimes, because the community will work together, rather than the current environment where militant jackboots are literally at war against their citizens.

It creates jobs. There's obviously tons of demand, so let The Free Market run it's course. The primary consumers of cannabis has always been working people. So cut them a break. Stop forcing them to pay 1000% markups just so The Government and the Lawyers and Judges can steal all that unearned Economic Rent. Canada has federally legalized cannabis to the point where the CPS is openly trying to gain market share as the pot courier service. All we need is to wait too long for Canada to become the producer of most Indoor medicine again, and then the morons will be demanding a wall on our northern border. It's also a de facto raise in wages, as working class folk could acquire their medicine for the same cost as a dozen ears of sweet corn.

Ending the War on Drugs will also benefit Mexico. We have no right to make that country a war zone and then act all confused when their people attempt to flee from the carnage.

We would save a lot of taxpayer money/resources. Obviously. Look how much we waste on the Failed Loser Christian war against the citizenry now. A pissboat of new found money.

It's better for the climate. We grow too much Soy and Feed Corn. They are both tough on the environment. Cannabis and Hemp are far more kind to the soil they are farmed in, and less labor intensive. You can eat the plant matter as well. Hemp micro greens are tasty and nutritious.

Who knows what all we can do with Industrial Hemp? We built this country with Hemp. The Founding Fathers were Hemp Farmers. Hell I actually lived in a town called Hempfield PA before. Make America Great Again.

It's a check for people that claim to want States Rights, obviously. More than half the States have pretty much defected from the Federal Govs War on Drugs.

It's a check for people that claim to want Personal Freedom and the right to choose.

It's the lone alternative to mainstream medicine and the horrific Healthcare industry.

It's just the right thing to do.

So rather than writing people like me off as Single Issue Stoner Losers, why don't you pause and ask yourself why it's not more of a priority for you.

Or make the case for continuing Federal Government War against the citizens
30 YesYNot   2017 Sep 6, 2:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Are you serious?

Yes. I think that Trump has been treated fairly based on what he has done. He got worse press than other Presidents, but he brought it on himself. He is getting a metaphorical strip search regarding Russia, but he has brought on the interest through his own lack of transparency on many fronts (lack of releasing taxes and failure of his staff and family to fully disclose contacts on required forms among other issues) as well as his son's private and his own public invitations for Russia to hack during the election. Blaming this on a scapegoat for Hillary is laughable.
31 WorkInProgress   2017 Sep 6, 2:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Nearly everyone in the world thinks Donald Trump did the wrong thing.

Man, you simply can't buy a clue can you? Even with all those millions. A crowd of 50 demonstrators = the whole world. Or a few billionaires = the whole world, right?

Ever heard of the silent MAJORITY?

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