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It's called "The Pelosi-Schumer-Trump deal" for raising the debt ceiling and funding the government

By iwog following x   2017 Sep 6, 11:22pm 2,431 views   68 comments   watch   quote     share  


Comments? This can't possibly be what you voted for right?

I'd post the laughing rabbit here but he's overworked these days.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349533-the-memo-trump-pulls-off-a-stone-cold-stunner

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29 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 12:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

null says
If Trump reduces headcount and employees in his administration, and spending/costs goes down, congress and Obama get credit for that, right (in your twisted mind)?


Nope, you're wrong and making up stupid straw men like this is what you do best. Trump would get the credit.

However this is what the orange assclown is actually doing and not some silly fantasy about Trump doing something intelligent. This is reality. This is what is real.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/secret-service-spent-7100-on-high-end-restroom-rentals-for-trumps-working-vacation-at-bedminster/article/2632553
30 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

null says
So, did Obama sign the current budget that is in force, or are you going to blame that spending on Trump too?


Yes he did however it was entirely a Republican budget. That's 0 for 2 now. You're not looking very insightful.
31 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 12:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
In the same thread you simultaneously blame Obama for this still being the fiscal year 2016 budget AND give Donald Trump credit for reducing spending in the 2016 budget which he just rubber stamped again.


Haha, yes the budget is not the only input into the debt figure. Since the budget has remained the same, how would YOU explain the drop in the debt? Considering the change coincides directly with Trump being in office, it is reasonable to assume it is coming from his decisions that are not the budget. This may include TPP, enforcing immigration, or perhaps simply not stealing as much as the Obama admin.

How would YOU explain this statistically significant drop in the debt?

iwog says
Did you fail civics class in high school? ALL SPENDING IS CONTROLLED BY CONGRESS! Obama does one thing and one thing only.


Yup, I was discussing it colloquially. If you want to get specific, please do so. Otherwise, stop with the pedantic temper tantrums. Its really weak, even for you.
32 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 12:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

For the record, besides calling everyone idiots and generally acting like a drunken fool, Iwog has yet to debate or make a single point.

Go ahead, take a position and defend it...or I will simply assume you are trolling
33 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I say good job Trump. He did a few really good things.
1) He did something pragmatic to get a deal done
2) He realized that his dealings with Republicans were not working, so he tried something new. Even if he was part of the problem, at least he recognized what wasn't working and tried something new.
3) He stuck his finger in the eyes of the tea party
4) He made an ass out of all of the posters on pat.net who constantly claim that Dems would go against Trump no matter what he does.

It is interesting that this comes a few days after Feinstein said that Trump could turn into a good President. Either something was in the works already or that was a smartly extended olive branch.

Oh... Trump's still incompetent, but you have to give credit where credit is due.
34 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 12:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says


This is what Trump voters want


This is due to Trump's treasury department delaying bill payments where possible without defaulting in an effort to delay the debt ceiling. If they could do this forever, we would not have had the imminent debt ceiling issue to deal with. I'm, willing to bet that we are still running a deficit and the debt is growing. This will become apparent soon enough.
35 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 1:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
CBOEtrader says


This is what Trump voters want


This is due to Trump's treasury department delaying bill payments where possible without defaulting in an effort to delay the debt ceiling. If they could do this forever, we would not have had the imminent debt ceiling issue to deal with. I'm, willing to bet that we are still running a deficit and the debt is growing. This will become apparent soon enough.


What are your facts to support this theory? 100 billion is a lot of cheddar. That amount of unpaid bills would have an enormous impact to the creditors. Where/who are these supposed creditors? What damage has this caused? $100 billion in missing payments doesn't just get shrugged off. If your theory is accurate someone, somewhere is pissed off and imploding into a cash flow crises.

Where is this happening?
36 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 3:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says
How would YOU explain this statistically significant drop in the debt?


there is no drop in the debt. Zero. What you think you see is the result of high April tax revenues and accounting changes as we approach the idiotic debt ceiling again. I'll bump this thread in January and hopefully you will learn something.
37 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 3:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says
For the record, besides calling everyone idiots


Link where I called someone out as an idiot in this thread.
38 anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Sep 7, 4:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says
Where is this happening?


It's not, it's just Trump doing what he knows how to do, save the country money. YesYNot and Iwog just can't stand having to admit that Trump has a positive effect on the country.

This is why you see Iwog with nonstop TDS threads. His head must be ready to explode.
39 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 5:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

If Trump knows how to save money then how come the Secret Service is bankrupt?
41 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

It can't possibly be that Trump is continuing his 2018 Primary Fuck You GOPe campaign, by taking this issue away from the GOPe.

Gotta love these "Deficit Hawks" who won't repeal Obamacare, Reform the Tax Code, Embrace Tariffs, etc.
42 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
It can't possibly be that Trump is continuing his 2018 Primary Fuck You GOPe campaign, by taking this issue away from the GOPe.

Gotta love these "Deficit Hawks" who won't repeal Obamacare, Reform the Tax Code, Embrace Tariffs, etc.


There's nothing Trump can and will do that you'll disagree with.

I said it back in 2016 and I'll continue to prove it with threads like this. What YOU think Donald Trump should do is whatever he does. He's a demagogue and you're his minion.

You think I'm wrong? You're basically saying Donald Trump is doing the right thing by doing exactly what Obama would have done.
43 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
I said it back in 2016 and I'll continue to prove it with threads like this. What YOU think Donald Trump should do is whatever he does. He's a demagogue and you're his minion.

And whatever Trump does, you'll put the worst possible interpretation on it.

I ALREADY predicted this in other threads: That Trump is prepping for the 2018 off-year elections by turning the heat on the GOP Establishment. He just deprived "True Cons" of one of their Major Running Cons about the Deficit Ceiling. I expect more strange deeds and GOPe Leader ballbusting tweets by the Trump Admin that go against the GOPe. The DACA expiration was just the beginning.

You should be HAPPY the debt ceiling bullshit has gone away for the next few months at least.

Also, the guy keeps getting shit his way - and winning. Maybe, just maybe, he's a little more clever than you think he is. And maybe we're in the throes of a Political System Change, looks almost guaranteed to me.
44 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Whatever Trump does, you'll put the worst possible interpretation on it.


Show me in this thread where I disagree with Trump siding with the Democrats. I dare you!

TwoScoopsMcGee says
You should be HAPPY the debt ceiling bullshit has gone away for the next few months at least.


I want the debt ceiling removed from American politics. It's asinine.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Also, the guy keeps getting shit his way - and winning. Maybe, just maybe, he's a little more clever than you think he is.


Is he getting his way when he hires someone, when he berates that person on twitter, or when he fires that person a month later?

Hard to comprehend what you consider "getting his way" and "winning".
45 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
Show me in this thread where I disagree with Trump siding with the Democrats. I dare you!

I said, whatever Trump does, you put the worst possible interpretation on it.

iwog says
Comments? This can't possibly be what you voted for right?


In other words "Haha Trump Cucks, I was WRONG about Trump not killing DACA, but THIS TIME I Gotcha!!! Checkmate!!"

Trump is daring the GOPe to make the Deficit an issue, I bet he's got a few pre-written remarks about Hurricane Aid, too, just in case they have the balls.

iwog says
Is he getting his way when he hires someone, when he berates that person on twitter, or when he fires that person a month later?


No matter how this guy wins against all odds and the wit and wiles of the Punditry, you still ask this question?
46 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
I said, whatever Trump does, you put the worst possible interpretation on it.


I will again point out that this has always been about Trump VOTERS AND THEIR EGOS and not Donald Trump himself. I've been very constant with this. I have also said repeatedly that Donald Trump isn't what you want and he'll keep proving it. He can't manage people, he can't determine policy, he doesn't know how the government works, and he only gave Democrats what they want because he's too stupid to realize it will cost the Republicans in congress votes. This is about YOU having no standards and no ideology, not Trump.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
I was WRONG about Trump not killing DACA


Here we go again. Link where I said what Trump was going to do about the DACA?

TwoScoopsMcGee says
No matter how this guy wins against all odds and the wit and wiles of the Punditry, you still ask this question?


Yup and I'll ask it again. Is it winning when Trump hires someone incompetent and also winning when he fires that same person shortly thereafter?

Just say yes. It's what you believe right?
47 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
TwoScoopsMcGee says
I was WRONG about Trump not killing DACA


Here we go again. Link where I said what Trump was going to do about the DACA?


Happy Birthday:



http://patrick.net/post/1309576/?offset=0#comment-1438552


It's small so here it is quoted:
iwog says
That's my guess also. He's weak and has folded anytime he's run into serious opposition. I expect a twitter tantrum followed by capitulation.
48 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Yup I predicted he'd capitulate. I called it a guess.

He did but only for 6 months. A lot can happen in 6 months but I was incorrect about what he would do.

Did you think he'd sign off on Nanci Pelosi's budget priorities? The ones Paul Ryan said were ridiculous?

Does it seem odd to you that I answer everything you ask of me and you can't even answer one simple question out of dozens?
49 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 7:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
He did but only for 6 months. A lot can happen in 6 months but I was incorrect about what he would do.


Yeah, will the GOPe Capitulate to Trump to avoid their boys getting a wallop from the base in 2018? Will they work with their fellow Neoliberals on the other side of the Aisle to dare him to veto a DACA bill to replace the executive memo crafted by Janet Napolitano?

The God Emperor has said he doesn't favor deporting Dreamers, so in the end I expect they'll stay or have a pathway to stay, hence my remarks on that other thread about trading it for other (Immigration) Legislation he wants. Art of the Deal, right?

iwog says
Does it seem odd to you that I answer everything you ask of me and you can't even answer one simple question out of dozens?


No, you accuse the board regularly of that, LOL.

iwog says
Did you think he'd sign off on Nanci Pelosi's budget priorities? The ones Paul Ryan said were ridiculous?


That depends on how it furthers Populist Civic Nationalism, aka the Trump Agenda. He might even concede away some things he's not super invested in.

But whatever happens, he's getting some of what he wants. The Dems and GOPe gotta pay their dues if they wanna play the blues, and with Trump it don't come easy.

iwog says
Yup and I'll ask it again. Is it winning when Trump hires someone incompetent and also winning when he fires that same person shortly thereafter?


Yes, it shows he's tough enough to take criticism (if there needs to be anymore proof of that) and quickly rectify mistakes. Remember the Mooch started that Memo crap about he was the Man. There's only one tough guy in the WH, and he's sitting at the big desk, so he did what he had to do. His reputation is largely that of "You're Fired", so only the people who already disliked him thought it was some kind of weakness.

This guy has been plotting to be President since the 80s, if not earlier. He's been talking to people for at least 3 decades. Every scenario has been gamed out.
50 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 7, 8:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
iwog says
Yup and I'll ask it again. Is it winning when Trump hires someone incompetent and also winning when he fires that same person shortly thereafter?


Yes, it shows he's tough enough to take criticism (if there needs to be anymore proof of that) and quickly rectify mistakes.


The correct answer is no since you're admitting the initial hiring was a mistake. (your word)

Apparently a mistake is still a win when you're a Trumpista.

Also you think Donald Trump is tough enough to take criticism? LOL I think we're done here.
51 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 2:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Congress Has Just 12 Days This Month — and 48 Days This Year — to Tackle a Daunting To-Do List.

Congress has a lot on its plate this month and for the rest of the year. It faces critical deadlines for raising the debt ceiling and funding the government to prevent a partial shutdown on October 1. It will also be looking to provide disaster relief funding for Hurricane Harvey — a House vote is set for Wednesday on a first installment of $7.85 billion — and President Trump just dropped DACA, the program that provided legal protections to about 800,000 people who came to the U.S. illegally as children, on their docket as well. Congress also needs to reauthorize the debt-laden National Flood Insurance Program and the popular Children’s Health Insurance Program by the end of the month.

Oh, and then there’s tax reform, which the Trump administration is still pushing to get done this year. Plus, if Republicans want to take another shot at repealing Obamacare this year without facing the threat of a filibuster by Democrats, they’ll have to do it by the end of September. Otherwise, Republicans would have to include new instructions for passing a health care bill under reconciliation in a 2018 budget resolution, but that would complicate their plans to change the tax code. Assuming the repeal push is over, at least for now, Congress will have to figure out how to stabilize the individual insurance market created by the Affordable Care Act.

All of which brings us to our number of the day. You’ve likely heard that the House and Senate will have just 12 legislative days this month to tackle their to-do lists. But the schedule for the rest of the year will likely be very tight, too: Per Politico’s Morning Tax email, “There are 117 days left in 2017, and, counting today, the House is scheduled to be in session for 48 of them.”

Forty-eight days and counting.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2017/09/05/
Anyone want to guess how much will get done or if they will stay in session longer than scheduled ?
52 BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2017 Sep 8, 5:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

If one only considers the hiring, then no, it is not a win.
If one considers the question you put forth, the hiring, then the firing, then the answer is yes, trump rectified the initial mistake and excised the cancer from the body politic.
Most politicians would have left the mistake in their position, allowing further damage to occur, rather than take the media hit and rectify the mistake.

iwog says
iwog says
Yup and I'll ask it again. Is it winning when Trump hires someone incompetent and also winning when he fires that same person shortly thereafter?


Yes, it shows he's tough enough to take criticism (if there needs to be anymore proof of that) and quickly rectify mistakes.


The correct answer is no since you're admitting the initial hiring was a mistake. (your word)
53 anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Sep 8, 7:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
In other words "Haha Trump Cucks, I was WRONG about Trump not killing DACA, but THIS TIME I Gotcha!!! Checkmate!!"


He was wrong? Really? Trump is tweeting that Dreamers have nothing to worry about for 6 months.

Not sure what your definition of "killing" is, but you need to revisit it.
54 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 12:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says


This is what Trump voters want


My prediction is that Trump will pass $26 Trillions of national debt in 1st term.
55 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 12:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I consider anyone who characterizes the Trump administration so far as "win" to be grossly incapable of voting in this country.

You have no standards, no objectivity, and things you trashed Obama for are apparently glorious victories for Donald Trump. I'll use the looting of the Secret Service budget as my example but almost everything that has occurred is also full of examples.

The fact that the signing of a Pelosi-Schumer budget is also apparently a win, even when it's exactly what Obama would have been demonized for, is an amazing thing. Stay tuned for record deficits under the proposed GOP budget! An awful thing and the end of our economy under Obama. New beginning and a bright future under Trump.

Gotta love hypocrisy.
56 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says
So lets be crystal clear, please state your specific issues with this president or his decisions thus far. Or are you just having a political temper tantrum?

The latter. TDS runs deep. Now Trump can't be tea party enough. Heaven forbid he makes a deal/compromise.
57 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 3:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says
CBOEtrader says
So lets be crystal clear, please state your specific issues with this president or his decisions thus far. Or are you just having a political temper tantrum?

The latter. TDS runs deep. Now Trump can't be tea party enough. Heaven forbid he makes a deal/compromise.


Even in my very last post, I included specific examples of my issues and even added support for each one.

Y'all aren't even reading words anymore. It's not TDS if those people who support Donald Trump are incapable of even articulating a counterpoint.
58 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 3:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
Y'all aren't even reading words anymore. It's not TDS if those people who support Donald Trump are incapable of even articulating a counterpoint.


I'm not supporting him on quite a few issues. But as CBOEtrader pointed out he has managed the debt relatively well so far. I don't think though there have been that many attack threads back then when Obama was (re-)elected - although there were quite a few. I think we should wait til half time to see where the debt issue stands.
59 Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2017 Sep 8, 4:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
Is your fucking Republican Congress going to actually do anything ever? They seem absolutely powerless to pass even their own agenda.


The best leaders and business people work together for the greater good even though differences exist in approach. They put their differences aside and compromise. The socialists dont believe in compromise this is shown thoughout history.

Of course you do have a point, that the democrats are so obstructionist, that if the tides were turned they would not / have not reached across the aisle.

But is this something to be proud of or gloat over?

With Repubs and Libertarians I have met they put PRINCIPLES before Policitics. But Dems, they use Politics even after they won, because they dont operate in good faith, they in many ways lack principles. This led to NAFTA and CRA and crushed the US's economy. But hey, CNN and MSNBC dont remember that.
60 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 4:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says
But as CBOEtrader pointed out he has managed the debt relatively well so far.


This is a ridiculous bald faced lie. Donald Trump doesn't even have his own budget yet and he just extended Obama's budget including everything the Democrats wanted. THIS IS REALITY!!!!!

What you perceive as reality, the fact that the deficit declined during revenue collection period and with the debt ceiling quickly approaching, isn't reality. It's a fiction and you're buying it because you're totally drunk off Trump demagoguery.
61 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 4:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says
But as CBOEtrader pointed out he has managed the debt relatively well so far.


Want to point out exactly what trump has done that affects the debt.
62 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Sep 8, 4:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
mell says
But as CBOEtrader pointed out he has managed the debt relatively well so far.


Want to point out exactly what trump has done that affects the debt.


He crushed TPP and pissed off all the Libruls

Now quit pestering us so we can continue campaigning for 2020
63 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 4:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
CBOEtrader says
How would YOU explain this statistically significant drop in the debt?


there is no drop in the debt. Zero. What you think you see is the result of high April tax revenues and accounting changes as we approach the idiotic debt ceiling again. I'll bump this thread in January and hopefully you will learn something.


Ok, I'm looking forward to it.
64 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Sep 8, 5:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So the guy turned out to be a closet Dem after all. Just like they were saying during the primaries.
65 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 5:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
Apparently a mistake is still a win when you're a Trumpista.


Is firing somebody shortly after hiring them an impeachable offense?
66 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 5:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

2017: The Year the Democrats turned against Free ("Hate"=constitutional) Speech, doubled down on Russophobia, and became Deficit Hawks.

LOL at all the Dem Loyalists suddenly discovering the national debt.

Pre 2017: "Debt Ceiling is a political trick, so stupid, dumbasses."
2017: "Trumpcucks, Trump just agreed to ignore the debt ceiling! Hey!!! Look, Over Here Goddammit!!!"
67 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 11:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Is firing somebody shortly after hiring them an impeachable offense?


It means you're a shitty judge of your own employees and a failure at administration, ESPECIALLY considering how often it has happened in this administration.
68 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 11:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
2017: The Year the Democrats turned against Free ("Hate"=constitutional) Speech, doubled down on Russophobia, and became Deficit Hawks.

LOL at all the Dem Loyalists suddenly discovering the national debt.


Nope, wrong, fail. I don't care about the national debt and I don't care about it under Trump.

YOU DO! You've proved it. Own it.

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