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Secret Service agents now going without pay because they hit the Republcian-mandated salary cap for federal employees.

By iwog following x   2017 Sep 7, 12:03pm 554 views   36 comments   watch   quote     share  

As part of Trump's war on waste and the total annihilation of the Secret Service's entire yearly budget in just a few months, agents are now hitting the wage cap and are either being forced to take leave or going without pay.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family/529075001/
1 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 7, 12:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
OK, just wait until UN has anything plenary.

Actually, protective services will be in front of Congress six months out from that because they know that's where the crack in the wall will open.

PS is stressed in the easiest of times; elections and UN/multilateral events put them over the edge into sever overtime as a matter of course.

They've lost all the geezers who knew what corners to cut and how to do it. US SS is hosed.
2 iwog   2017 Sep 7, 3:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Someone who I will not name told me that Donald Trump is cutting out waste in the federal government. I still don't know for sure but I suspect that this might not be true.
3 anonymous   2017 Sep 7, 4:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
As part of Trump's war on waste and the total annihilation of the Secret Service's entire yearly budget in just a few months,


Shouldn't you be thanking Obama for signing a budget that doesn't allow the Secret Service to do its job due to budget constraints?
4 Heraclitusstudent   2017 Sep 7, 4:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
As part of Trump's war on waste and the total annihilation of the Secret Service's entire yearly budget in just a few months, agents are now hitting the wage cap and are either being forced to take leave or going without pay.


Dangerous game for Trump. These are the people supposed to take bullets for him.
5 iwog   2017 Sep 7, 5:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
null says
Shouldn't you be thanking Obama for signing a budget that doesn't allow the Secret Service to do its job due to budget constraints?


This is absurd on so many levels but I guess I'll simply point out that this is a republican budget. Now your only possible rebuttal is that in some fantasy universe, Obama should have vetoed the entire budget based on the single line item for Secret Service funding.

Is this your position? Yes or no.
6 anonymous   2017 Sep 7, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Did Obama sign/approve the current budget Trump is working under? Yes or No.
7 iwog   2017 Sep 7, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
null says
Did Obama sign/approve the current budget Trump is working under? Yes or No.


Yes.

Now lets see if you're scared to answer what I asked you first?
8 Dan8267   2017 Sep 7, 6:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
From the article
Always costly in manpower and equipment, the president's jaunts to Mar-a-Lago are estimated to cost at least $3 million each, based on a General Accountability Office estimate for similar travel by former President Obama. The Secret Service has spent some $60,000 on golf cart rentals alone this year to protect Trump at both Mar-a-Lago and Bedminster.


I remember not so long ago, Republicans were lying like shit about Obama's trip to India taking $200 million a day. Well, that was a bold face lie, and Obama was doing his job as president during the trip. Meanwhile, Trump is wasting taxpayer dollars on his vacations.


The conservative right is just full of shit.

Trump Spends in 1 Month What Obama Spent on Travel in 1 Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZhxvluusxk
Bonus video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeaKeyQSYlU
9 anonymous   2017 Sep 7, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
As part of Trump's war on waste and the total annihilation of the Secret Service's entire yearly budget in just a few months, agents are now hitting the wage cap and are either being forced to take leave or going without pay.


What's the big deal? They will eventually get paid when they make the necessary changes. It's just bureaucrats screwing up.
10 iwog   2017 Sep 7, 7:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
null says
What's the big deal? They will eventually get paid when they make the necessary changes. It's just bureaucrats screwing up.


I just think it's fucking hilarious since you think Donald Trump is fighting waste.

Do you have any actual examples of Donald Trump fighting waste or you just want to leave out there this one horrid example of Donald Trump creating massive waste?
11 CBOEtrader   2017 Sep 8, 6:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Dan8267 says
bold face lie


*bald* You're welcome
12 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Sep 8, 6:16am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
A real badass president would disband the USSS and pack an M134 wherever he goes.

Ivanka, too, topless.
13 PCGyver   2017 Sep 8, 6:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Hey iwog I don't think the owner of mar-la-go thinks it's a waste of money. They are making out like bandits! From the food to the shelter and even golf cart rentals. I bet whoever owns that place will make more off Trumps presidency than the salary Trump said he'd forgoing for being president. Who owns that place anyway?
14 anonymous   2017 Sep 8, 7:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
This is absurd on so many levels but I guess I'll simply point out that this is a republican budget.


Doesn't matter which party writes the spending bills. There are tons that never see the light of day proposed by both parties.

Once this guy (Obama) signs it into law, HE owns it.
15 PCGyver   2017 Sep 8, 7:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
null says
Once this guy (Obama) signs it into law, HE owns it.


Yet Obama never went through the entire secret service budget. I guess he didn't think we would have a president who is so fiscally irresponsible as to blow through the entire secret service budget in 8 months.
16 BlueSardine   2017 Sep 8, 7:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
What is it with you providing limited choice answers to your questions?
Hiding from truth??
iwog says
Do you have any actual examples of Donald Trump fighting waste or you just want to leave out there this one horrid example of Donald Trump creating massive waste?
17 iwog   2017 Sep 8, 8:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
BlueSardine says
What is it with you providing limited choice answers to your questions?


Asking for "any actual examples" is limiting to you?
18 PCGyver   2017 Sep 8, 8:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
BlueSardine says
What is it with you providing limited choice answers to your questions?
Hiding from truth??
iwog says
Do you have any actual examples of Donald Trump fighting waste or you just want to leave out there this one horrid example of Donald Trump creating massive waste?


So I take it that you have no examples of Trump fighting waste.
19 Dan8267   2017 Sep 8, 10:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
CBOEtrader says
Dan8267 says
bold face lie


*bald* You're welcome


Both are acceptable and mean the same thing. You're welcomed. In any case, the point still stands. Fox News and conservative right media just outright lies.

http://www.epictimes.com/04/06/2015/why-do-we-say-it-bald-or-bold-faced-lie/
First of all, is the right term "Bald-Faced Lie" or is it proper to say "Bold-Faced Lie"? Which is the original term?

Neither….

The original term is "Barefaced Lie" and it dates back to the Shakespearean era – in fact, Shakespeare was the first known user of the idiom.

Barefaced lie is still the usual form in Britain and to a lesser extent in Canada.

In the latter part of the nineteenth century, Americans started to use bald-faced lie instead, which has become the most common form in today's US newspapers

The final, variation is a "bold-faced lie". [B]old-faced goes back to Shakespeare in the sense of a shameless or impudent appearance, so it's reasonable that a boldfaced lie is one told with a shamelessly bold face.
20 WookieMan   2017 Sep 8, 10:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Maybe this is a dumb question, but does what was budgeted for SS in 2016 really matter? It was likely based on past spending for protecting Obama, his family and other assets (I think only his Chicago house). Trump has 4 adult children that are all required to be protected. So just that portion of the SS budget is quadrupled before you even discuss his travel (which he's obviously going at a pretty good clip).

Then factor in real estate. I was too lazy to look up all that the SS has to keep an eye on, but we know it's WAY more than Obama had. You can't have an asset held by him hit by a terrorist, if at all possible. So again this inflates costs even more.

I guess what I'm getting at is it's not really an apple to apples comparison. And yes I realize people were destroying Obama for his travel, including Trump himself. It's such a needle in a haystack type thing in the overall budget. I recall it also being legally required to protect X people and X assets of the president (I don't know the extent of who and what, hence the X). So most of the spending is likely out of Trump or Obama's control anyway. So it seems stupid for either side to rip the spending honestly.
21 NuttBoxer   2017 Sep 8, 11:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I thought they weren't allowed to spend the SS budget on hookers and blow anymore.
22 YesYNot   2017 Sep 8, 11:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WookieMan says
but does what was budgeted for SS in 2016 really matter?

It doesn't really matter that Trump is spending more than Obama. It does matter that they are spending shitloads of money staying at his resorts every weekend. As of August (7 months in), they had spent $60K on golf cart rentals alone. The SS requested $0.75 billion for 2017 to protect Trump. That's not going to break the bank, but it's not peanuts, either. Considering the budget, he doesn't think much of breaking away for the weekends to advertise his resorts.
23 iwog   2017 Sep 8, 11:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WookieMan says
Maybe this is a dumb question, but does what was budgeted for SS in 2016 really matter?


It was an extremely stupid question from a troll. You're correct in saying it doesn't matter.

Trump is outrageously wasteful and is not only costing the government ridiculous amounts of money but he's thrown the entire agency into chaos.

Trump people call this a win.
24 iwog   2017 Sep 8, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WookieMan says
And yes I realize people were destroying Obama for his travel, including Trump himself. It's such a needle in a haystack type thing in the overall budget.


Yes it's inconsequential except for two things:

1. Trump himself attacked Obama for "Lavish" secret service spending. It makes him a hypocrite and a fool.
2. Trump's ridiculous expenditures and the lack of any attempt to mitigate these expenditures demonstrate Trump's reckless and narcissistic nature. It's not credible that Trump would act this way regarding one agency but change spots and act responsibly with all other agencies. Donald Trump is grossly incompetent to run the government.
25 WookieMan   2017 Sep 8, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
It was an extremely stupid question from a troll. You're correct in saying it doesn't matter.

I don't believe in my limited history here I have a pattern of being a troll. And so you know, I'm not Trump people either.

iwog says
1. Trump himself attacked Obama for "Lavish" secret service spending. It makes him a hypocrite and a fool.

100 percent agree with you on this. Which is why I mentioned it in what you quoted.

iwog says
2. Trump's ridiculous expenditures and the lack of any attempt to mitigate these expenditures demonstrate Trump's reckless and narcissistic nature. It's not credible that Trump would act this way regarding one agency but change spots and act responsibly with all other agencies. Donald Trump is grossly incompetent to run the government.

Is Trump narcissistic? Probably. I guess my main point was that he likely is spending way more, but for different reasons. What portion of the SS spending, so far, do we know is tied to his specific travel? More is going to be spent overall on his SS detail because of a larger family and his multiple assets. If the spending numbers break down that his personal travel is out of control, then yes, that's a problem. Specifically for someone that railed on Obama so hard.

I think we're on the same page for the most part here. I'm just coming at it from a different perspective. At least some portion of that spending is technically out of his control. He can't really tell his adult aged children what to do (travel, etc).
26 iwog   2017 Sep 8, 12:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WookieMan says
I don't believe in my limited history here I have a pattern of being a troll. And so you know, I'm not Trump people either.


I didn't accuse you of being a troll. You aren't the one who brought up this question.

It's someone who is so frightened of being held accountable for anything that he's anonymous.
27 WookieMan   2017 Sep 8, 1:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
I didn't accuse you of being a troll. You aren't the one who brought up this question.

Got it. Misinterpreted what you were saying based on my statement of "maybe this is a dumb question." I may be a smart ass sometimes, but I don't dig the troll game.
28 iwog   2017 Sep 8, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WookieMan says
but I don't dig the troll game.


Good man!

Anyone who can see Trump without blinders on should stick around, no doubt.
29 HEY YOU   2017 Sep 8, 3:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Republicans own every problem for 4 years.
They have accomplished nothing in 8+ months.
How fubared will The U.S. be by 2020?

WookieMan says
but I don't dig the troll game.


Well,you are on the wrong site. lol
30 drBu   2017 Sep 8, 3:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
As part of Trump's war on waste and the total annihilation of the Secret Service's entire yearly budget in just a few months, agents are now hitting the wage cap and are either being forced to take leave or going without pay.

Rational solution then would be to stop SS protection of Trump (or any other President). Let them live like all of us peasants do.
31 FortWayne   2017 Sep 8, 4:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Salary cap means no raise...

We all have income that's finite.
32 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 8, 5:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
Other thread: "Trump can't claim deficit reduction because he hasn't passed a budget yet."
This thread: "The secret service should stop protecting Trump because of their salary caps in the budget he hasn't passed yet."

That Trump.
33 anonymous   2017 Sep 8, 7:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
YesYNot says
As of August (7 months in), they had spent $60K on golf cart rentals alone.


Maybe the secret service should stop playing golf and work insteadd. Or, just walk and burn off a few extra calories.
34 anonymous   2017 Sep 8, 7:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
YesYNot says
As of August (7 months in), they had spent $60K on golf cart rentals alone.


Such outrage. Do you think Trump should give them use of the carts for free? You do know the secret service pays for what they need, no matter where they go, right, even if it's some outside company or business or Trump property.

Why the outrage if it's a Trump property instead of a Nantucket hotel where Obama stayed?

Also, you do know that Hillary and Biden charged the secret service for staying on their personal property, right? Where was your outrage then?
35 CBOEtrader   2017 Sep 8, 8:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
null says
Shouldn't you be thanking Obama for signing a budget that doesn't allow the Secret Service to do its job due to budget constraints?


This is absurd on so many levels but I guess I'll simply point out that this is a republican budget. Now your only possible rebuttal is that in some fantasy universe, Obama should have vetoed the entire budget based on the single line item for Secret Service funding.

Is this your position? Yes or no.


Your tires are spinning but you aren't going anywhere. What does any of this have to do with trump?

Better question: is IWOG going to continue these mock moral outrage threads? You lost your touch ducky. Today, you are deeply mired in TDS.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Other thread: "Trump can't claim deficit reduction because he hasn't passed a budget yet."
This thread: "The secret service should stop protecting Trump because of their salary caps in the budget he hasn't passed yet."

That Trump.


Yup. Brains exploding daily from TDS. Nothing a little red pill can't cure though.
36 BorderPatrol   2017 Sep 8, 9:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
costs would have been much lower if it weren't for so many death threats from hateful liberals.

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