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By failing to repeal Obamacare, failing to replace Obamacare, or failing to fix Obamacare, Republicans are causing huge problems and misery

By iwog following x   2017 Sep 12, 9:19am 318 views   42 comments   watch   quote     share  

It's September. Fucking September and your glorious party "of the people" has simultaneously left the law on the books AND cut funding. There are dozens of articles published this morning due to the bipartisan effort to bail out (yes this is absurd) Obamacare for another year however this is just the tip of a very vile iceberg of uncertainty and chaos that the Republicans have willingly brought upon the country.

- http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/health/2017/09/12/trumps-obamacare-budget-cuts-leave-arizonas-aca-workers-limbo/654177001/
- http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/350169-gop-chairman-bipartisan-health-care-proposal-a-bail-out-of-obamacare
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-12/obamacare-heavyweight-anthem-weighs-retreating-from-more-states
- http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20170911/NEWS03/170919986/blue-cross-to-small-biz-were-officially-leaving-obamacare-exchange
- http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350107-house-dems-accuse-trump-administration-of-obamacare-sabotage

You vote ignorance, you pay the price. You let a failed Republican party run the country and everything goes to hell. Is this what you wanted? Who do you blame NOW? Look in the mirror please.

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3 zzyzzx   2017 Sep 12, 10:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
Iwog is clearly still very butt-hurt over the election.
4 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Sep 12, 10:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
zzyzzx says
Iwog is clearly stiff very butt-hurt over the election.


Yep.
5 errc   2017 Sep 12, 10:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Pointing out that Trump has failed to make any ground on any of his campaign promises, is butt hurt?

He was elected ten months ago. His Republicans have had years to work out an Obamacare repeal. So what's the problem here? Why can't he get anything done?
6 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 12, 10:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
errc says
Pointing out that Trump has failed to make any ground on any of his campaign promises, is butt hurt?


This is the Legislature's responsibility, not Trump's. The Republican party incumbents will have to be disciplined in 2018. Flake might very well be getting his ass kicked out, it would be great if Ryan got the boot.

The GOPe lied to the base, did not even have a rough draft bill ready even though Ryan, McCain, etc. campaigned on killing AetnaCEOcare.
7 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 10:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
zzyzzx says
Iwog is clearly stiff very butt-hurt over the election.


Very childish of you so I guess I'll ask if you'll claim butt hurt regardless of any criticisms of that assclown Trump going forward?

Iwog: "Today Donald Trump crushed a kitten under his heel and laughed about it."
zzyzzx: "You're just butt hurt!"

People like you shouldn't vote. You're not qualified in the first place and you've got the mental maturity of a 13-year old as demonstrated above.
8 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 10:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
This is the Legislature's responsibility, not Trump's. The Republican party incumbents will have to be disciplined in 2018. Flake might very well be getting his ass kicked out, it would be great if Ryan got the boot.

The GOPe lied to the base, did not even have a rough draft bill ready even though Ryan, McCain, etc. campaigned on killing AetnaCEOcare.


All they need is a handful of Democrats to go along with a new plan. So the great deal maker can't pull this off?? Weren't we promised that Donald Trump could get things done instead of doing absolutely nothing like he has been doing?

There are reports from both sides that Donald Trump can't even understand any of the health care bills let alone build bridges.
9 WineHorror   2017 Sep 12, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Let's see...it's all Bush's fault for the 8 years of the Obama regime and now all of Obama's "accomplishments" will be Trumps fault that they are shitty. Is that what I'm hearing iwog?
10 WineHorror   2017 Sep 12, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
TwoScoopsMcGee says
This is the Legislature's responsibility, not Trump's. The Republican party incumbents will have to be disciplined in 2018. Flake might very well be getting his ass kicked out, it would be great if Ryan got the boot.

The GOPe lied to the base, did not even have a rough draft bill ready even though Ryan, McCain, etc. campaigned on killing AetnaCEOcare.


All they need is a handful of Democrats to go along with a new plan. So the great deal maker can't pull this off?? Weren't we promised that Donald Trump could get things done instead of doing absolutely nothing like he has been doing?

There are reports from both sides that Donald Trump can't even understand any of the health care bills let alone build bridges.

Any health bill written by insurance companies for insurance companies totally 8,000 pages(?) can't be understood by the very people who wrote even. You'd have to reference the fucking bill as if it were a set of encyclopedias for God sake.

Iwog, you got to get it together man. You have to be smarter than this.
11 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WineHorror says
Iwog, you got to get it together man. You have to be smarter than this.


I see. So when Republicans voted to repeal Obamacare 50 times while Obama was president, they were just jacking off the whole time?

Your solution was clearly to give them power! Brilliant idea.
12 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 11:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
WineHorror says
Let's see...it's all Bush's fault for the 8 years of the Obama regime and now all of Obama's "accomplishments" will be Trumps fault that they are shitty. Is that what I'm hearing iwog?


No that's not what I said. You're apparently not competent to read what I actually wrote.
13 BlueSardine   2017 Sep 12, 12:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
And you want trump to proceed without any knowledge of how health works?
Isn't it better to do nothing than to cause harm through ignorance.
Or maybe you prefer he just sign anything into law, so he can find out what's in it...

iwog says
There are reports from both sides that Donald Trump can't even understand any of the health care bills let alone build bridges


14 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
BlueSardine says
And you want trump to proceed without any knowledge of how health works?
Isn't it better to do nothing than to cause harm through ignorance.
Or maybe you prefer he just sign anything into law, so he can find out what's in it...


The first solution is not to elect this moron in the first place.
The second solution is for the Republican party to do something. Anything.
The third solution is to grow up and elect Democrats.

This dystopian country is going to be a punchline for the ages. Also why did you post a picture of Trump's budget buddy?
15 zzyzzx   2017 Sep 12, 12:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
People like you shouldn't vote. You're not qualified in the first place and you've got the mental maturity of a 13-year old as demonstrated above.


A lot of people would say that rent-seekers like yourself should vote.
At least I made my own fortune. My understanding is that you married into it.
16 errc   2017 Sep 12, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
zzyzzx says
iwog says
People like you shouldn't vote. You're not qualified in the first place and you've got the mental maturity of a 13-year old as demonstrated above.


A lot of people would say that rent-seekers like yourself should vote.
At least I made my own fortune. My understanding is that you married into it.


Rent-Seekers shouldn't vote? In a "Capitalist" society?
17 Quigley   2017 Sep 12, 12:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
I'll admit iwog has a point here. Trump has done nothing with healthcare. There is no Trump proposal crafted to appeal to both parties or even the entirety of one party! He campaigned on Obamacare. The least he could do is propose an alternative. If he's not smart enough to wonk out a bill, he should get some smart people to do it for him, using suggestions and advice from others. So far that hasn't happened, and I can't help but think it's because he won't let go of the issue and wants to do this his own way.
18 YesYNot   2017 Sep 12, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
He's tanking Obamacare intentionally, so that he can blame everything on his character foil (Obama). The character foil play will get old eventually, but it still seems to work for him, so he's still talking about Obama and Clinton when he can. The Republicans have been beating on the 'death spiral' drum long enough to make it look like it was out of Trump's control to those who want to believe such a thing.
19 Fucking White Male   2017 Sep 12, 1:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I don't know about pain and misery, but the Republicans In congress are certainly pissing me off for not sticking to their promises.
20 Booger   2017 Sep 12, 1:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
When you are willing to give Trump dictatorial powers, you will see this, and a bunch of other problems fixed quickly!
21 WineHorror   2017 Sep 12, 1:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
BlueSardine says
And you want trump to proceed without any knowledge of how health works?
Isn't it better to do nothing than to cause harm through ignorance.
Or maybe you prefer he just sign anything into law, so he can find out what's in it...


The first solution is not to elect this moron in the first place.
The second solution is for the Republican party to do something. Anything.
The third solution is to grow up and elect Democrats.

This dystopian country is going to be a punchline for the ages. Also why did you post a picture of Trump's budget buddy?


Iwog, I think you may be brain dead. You you call Trump a moron but who is the moron that signed Obamacare?
22 HEY YOU   2017 Sep 12, 1:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
As long Trump & his ilk do anything that hurt Rep/Con/Nazis,it's cool.
How many Rep/Con/Nazis will have to use ACA benefits because of Irma?

Fucking White Male says
I don't know about pain and misery, but the Republicans In congress are certainly pissing me off for not sticking to their promises.

Would "sucker" be appropriate at this time?
23 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 2:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
zzyzzx says

A lot of people would say that rent-seekers like yourself should vote.


They would be correct.

zzyzzx says
At least I made my own fortune. My understanding is that you married into it.


Your understanding is grossly incorrect however it doesn't really matter. Where I got my money isn't part of any argument but you're butt hurt so you're going to try to make it an issue.
24 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 2:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
WineHorror says
Iwog, I think you may be brain dead. You you call Trump a moron but who is the moron that signed Obamacare?


Obamacare was flawed but at least it was an attempt to get everyone in the country insured under a health care plan.

The real solution, the "public option", was repeatedly attacked and ridiculed by Republicans and eventually ended up dead.

I give Democrats credit for trying to do something. Republicans simultaneously want to get rid of Obamacare and refuse to get rid of Obamacare. I consider that gross incompetence to be far far worse.
25 Tenpoundbass   2017 Sep 12, 2:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
I blame this Cunt.

I bet she would tell you the same thing, if you catch her before her fried brain medication they give her for 4 stage Politician disease.
26 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Tenpoundbass says
I blame this Cunt.


You do??? Trump's ally in congress?? The woman who decided on the budget for the next three months?

You better get on the phone to Trump and tell him she's a cunt. He's apparently too stupid to realize he shouldn't be doing business with her.
27 socal2   2017 Sep 12, 3:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
I give Democrats credit for trying to do something.


The road to hell is often paved with the best intentions. Politicians "just doing something" is a case in point.

Democrats OWN Obamacare. They passed it in such a way (without a single Republican vote) that allows it to die on its own. Democrats apparently thought they wouldn't lose future elections and wouldn't need Republican votes to keep bridging the shortfall of the exchanges.

Some hard lessons are being learned. If we are going to massively overhaul something as large, complex and as important as our healthcare system, we better do it with some bipartisan support.
28 anonymous   2017 Sep 12, 3:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
So Iwog, are you finally admitting that Obamacare is a disaster for our nation?
29 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 3:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
socal2 says
The road to hell is often paved with the best intentions. Politicians "just doing something" is a case in point.


Oh bullshit. Republicans blocked Hillary's plan during the Clinton years because fuck you. They had no alternative and when Bush became president with a Republican majority in both houses, they didn't do anything. Then Obama came to power with a mandate and Democrats FINALLY attempted reforms which Republicans vehemently attacked and refused to even ask for anything.

Now here we are with Republicans in charge once again and they can't reform, replace, or remove Obamacare.

This has been an utter failure by Republicans since the 1990s. They are the party of failure.
30 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 3:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
anonymous says
So Iwog, are you finally admitting that Obamacare is a disaster for our nation?


Nope, I'm saying that you can't de-fund Obamacare like Trump did and not have the thing collapse. As much as you'd like to force this debacle into the Democratic camp, you'll never be able to do it.

Obamacare needed to be fixed or replaced or at the very least repealed so Americans could see what disgusting vile pieces of shit Republican politicians are. Instead they pull funding and then watch it all burn down.

Republicans are cancer. Republicans are the worst case scenario.
31 SpecialSnowflake   2017 Sep 12, 3:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
The first solution is not to elect this moron in the first place.


I agree: no Obama - no Obamacare.
32 socal2   2017 Sep 12, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
They had no alternative and when Bush became president with a Republican majority in both houses, they didn't do anything.


Uh - because it wasn't a huge crisis for the majority of Americans.

Before Obama and the Democrats fucked everything up, the majority of Americans were satisfied with their healthcare.

*Majority of Americans Satisfied With Their Healthcare Plans*
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/majority-americans-satisfied-their-own-healthcare.aspx
33 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 12, 3:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Quigley says
So far that hasn't happened, and I can't help but think it's because he won't let go of the issue and wants to do this his own way.

He wants to do it in a way that will take the responsibility of health insurance off the back of the employer... ;)
34 iwog   2017 Sep 12, 4:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
socal2 says

Before Obama and the Democrats fucked everything up, the majority of Americans were satisfied with their healthcare.


I'll say this much. Your comments are consistently absurd no matter what the topic.
35 errc   2017 Sep 12, 4:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Quigley says
So far that hasn't happened, and I can't help but think it's because he won't let go of the issue and wants to do this his own way.

He wants to do it in a way that will take the responsibility of health insurance off the back of the employer... ;)


Care to elaborate?
36 anonymous   2017 Sep 12, 7:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
You're not qualified in the first place and you've got the mental maturity of a 13-year old as demonstrated above.


What is the mental maturity of a guy posting daily TDS threads that have no basis in reality? (Except in HIS head)
37 Booger   2017 Sep 12, 7:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Obamacare was flawed but at least it was an attempt to get everyone in the country insured under a health care plan.


Health insurance and health care are two different things. Current high deductible plans that most working people have are only useful in catastrophic situations, and otherwise pretty much the same as not having any health insurance at all. Obamacare only made this much worse.
38 errc   2017 Sep 12, 7:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I don't get why they call it health insurance in the first place.

Sending off obscene amounts of money every month to private companies whose business model is to deny paying your medical bills, isn't health insurance at all. It's just a Republican scam to screw the halfwits that comprise their voter base out of their last few sheckles. That's why I accurately call it Heritage Foundation Care, because it doesn't get any more Republican than this. That and they wrote the bill, lol.

"We don't understand why the Republicans have no plans to repeal and replace."

You should pay more attention. Why would they repeal their own system of extortion?
39 bob2356   2017 Sep 12, 7:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
socal2 says

*Majority of Americans Satisfied With Their Healthcare Plans*


Were the 45 million without health care satisfied with their health care plan?
40 mell   2017 Sep 12, 8:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
errc says
I don't get why they call it health insurance in the first place.

Sending off obscene amounts of money every month to private companies whose business model is to deny paying your medical bills, isn't health insurance at all. It's just a Republican scam to screw the halfwits that comprise their voter base out of their last few sheckles. That's why I accurately call it Heritage Foundation Care, because it doesn't get any more Republican than this. That and they wrote the bill, lol.

"We don't understand why the Republicans have no plans to repeal and replace."

You should pay more attention. Why would they repeal their own system of extortion?


Agreed but with a private market you at least have the choice to maybe find one that has the least resemblance to that business model. And you can't make much money by telling the patient to lose 40 lbs and go on a low carb, high fat and moderate protein diet. Insurance should cover catastrophical costs only. Everything else should be customized and certainly not mandatory to be subsidized. Obamacare made Heritage Foundation Care mandatory, which is at least equally bad, likely worse.
41 errc   2017 Sep 12, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
The best option for a Capitalist is to avoid American Health Insurers altogether.

Invest the money you save in equities instead, and make healthful dietary and lifestyle choices. In the rare instance that you actually need healthcare services, take holiday to Mexico or any other third world country and save butt loads of money while receiving superior services. And you get a vacation and capital accretion as bonus
42 anonymous   2017 Sep 12, 9:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
bob2356 says
Were the 45 million without health care satisfied with their health care plan


How many people don't have insurance today? How about 35 million. So Obama rewrote the complete healthcare laws to get maybe 10 million coverage? Many of the 10 mill ended up on Medicaid, which you are paying for.

Meantime, 100+ million got redirected to high premium, high deductible, high coplay plans.

Were those 100+ million satisfied?

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