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It's always been a horrendous problem, also under DT. And as many pointed out, there's no budget yet and we're not even close to half time. You gave Obummer 8 years to mess things up, gotta give at least 2-4 to Orange.
What budget did Obama get passed?Money spent under Obama: "He was president! It's his fault! He should have known what he was getting into!"Money spent under Trump: "It's not his fault! It's not his budget! Someone else is responsible!"Vile hypocrisy.
What budget did Trump Submit, Sign, or Veto?
You want to let Obama off the hook, but nail Trump before the budget process even begins.
Which budget in the last 8 years was Obama's
The one he signed. We've been over this again and again. How come you keep forgetting?
- Iwog: "Obama had no control over prior spending so most of the debt created during his administration is not his fault."- lostand confused: "It's his fault, he took the job, he should have known what he was getting into. I don't have to explain how he should have reduced spending."
He can submit budgets
and he can VETO Congress.
because giving money to Aetna and Kaiser without Price Controls doesn't control healthcare spending.
Now let's talk about how Charlotte, Ferguson, Treyvon Martin, etc. is that racial divide that is Trump's fault.
Did Obama invite BLM activists to the White House? Did he condemn Black Lives Matter? Did he condemn Radical Islamic Terrorism?
All submitted budgets are DOA regardless if they come from Democrats or Republicans. I'm sick of fucking typing this and if you disagree with me, ADDRESS THE FUCKING POINT!!!!! Don't pretend I didn't destroy it then wait two days then make the exact same stupid ignorant corrupt point again. Fucking learn something and stop being a jackass. If you are incapable of giving a counter point to what I just proved is true, stop posting it!!!!
When a president vetoes a spending bill, the government shuts down. It's a weapon of mass destruction.
TwoScoopsMcGee saysNow let's talk about how Charlotte, Ferguson, Treyvon Martin, etc. is that racial divide that is Trump's fault. Straw man.
The President can't submit budgets to Congress? Yes or No.
I addressed this and you refuse to comment on what I said. I was very specific. You're a coward and you're running away.
Yawn, you accuse everybody engaging you of that.
So what's your alternate explanation of why you can't address my point? You can't even state my point. You can't even object to my point.
The President can submit a budget. If it's DOA, the President can always say "Hey, I submitted a budget. Congress dicked it up."I answered your point VERY SPECIFICALLY.
Stop acting like Obama was totally toothless because of Congress.
- Obama didn't sign the huge majority of spending that took place during his time in the White House. Most of it was done prior and most of it was done by Republicans.
- To accept your fucking stupid premise, Obama would have had to write legislation overturning prior legislation from Republicans. Claiming this is beyond idiocy.
- To accept your fucking stupid premise, Obama would have had to go against Democratic goals which during the worst recession in modern times was a non-starter.
Yes you finally mentioned my point after being shamed about it for over a week. Unbelievably pathetic.
- To accept your fucking stupid premise, Obama would have had to act in a way never before seen in any president from any party.
The president does say "I submitted the budget and congress dicked it up." Now explain what the fucking hell any of that has to do with the stone cold fact that the president submitting a budget has nothing whatsoever to do with the ACTUAL BUDGET THAT COMES OUT OF CONGRESS????
He needs to write legislation to veto a bill or submit a budget? No he doesn't.
You go first, you gotta whole bullet list of accusations up in the OP "What has actually been accomplished" to document.
What steps did Obama take to stop the Kims from increasing their arsenal, developing smaller but stronger bombs, and longer range rockets, etc,? Sure weren't effective.
By definition a budget IS proposed legislation you jackass. You aren't even trying anymore.
TwoScoopsMcGee saysHe needs to write legislation to veto a bill or submit a budget? No he doesn't.
Re-read what I wrote:
go fuck yourself.
Such a adult response when your narrative is proven wrong.
SPECIFICALLY what was it you think Obama could have done from the White House to reduce deficit spending?
Explain how Donald Trump is going to construct a double wall in the middle of the Rio Grande?
He could have been an anti war leader instead of a fascist, for starters.
He could have eliminated any number of old, wasteful programs... you know... the same ones you still blame bush for throughout Obama's 8 years
He could have implemented healthcare that made sense instead of the ACA that is destined to fail bigly. Or rather, already is failing bigly.
Completely invalid since it's clear you have no comprehension of what "fascist" means. In that regard you're identical to Antifa.
You mean he could have broke the law and not spent money as prescribed by acts passed by congress and signed by the president? Brilliant.
Apparently it makes sense to Republicans too!
iwog saysCompletely invalid since it's clear you have no comprehension of what "fascist" means. In that regard you're identical to Antifa.I think this is your way of acknowledging I have a great point. Go ahead and try to refute Obama being a war hawk fasictif you'd like to prove me wrong.
No he could have either used executive powers or led the charge to pass legislation, but continue on with your word games. Again, point to CBO :)
Obamacare literally has Obama's name on it. He was the main force behind this garbage healthcare that is suffocating our middle class and small businesses. yet again, point to CBO.
3-0. Thanks for playing.
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