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COVERAGE MINIMIZED: BUT 4 DAYS OF PROTEST SO FAR AFTER ACQUITTAL OF OFFICER FOR MURDER AFTER VOWING TO KILL SUSPECT

By jazz_music following x   2017 Sep 18, 12:28pm 216 views   18 comments   watch   quote     share  

Civil disobedience persists: When the police army corral protestors, they mace, beat and drag them to mass-arrest protesters. Will protesters give up?

Stockley shot and killed Smith in December 2011. The officer and his partner, Brian Bianchi, tried to stop Smith after witnessing a suspected drug transaction, according to an internal police department report the Post-Dispatch obtained.

Stockley said Smith backed into their police SUV twice in an apparent attempt to harm them. After Bianchi told Stockley that he believed Smith was armed, Stockley exited the SUV with his department-issued handgun. He also had a personal AK-47 pistol, a violation of department policy, according to the report.

Smith sped away, knocking Stockley sideways, and Stockley fired at the vehicle, before Bianchi and Stockley pursued Smith at speeds up to 80 mph. The police vehicle crashed into Smith's Buick in an attempt to avoid hitting a truck, the report said.

Before the crash, Stockley was heard saying he was "going to kill this motherf***er" and told Bianchi to "hit him right now," the report said.

Stockley approached with his weapon drawn. He said in the internal report he ordered Smith to show his hand and believed the suspect was reaching for a handgun, the report said.

"In fear for my safety and that of my partner," Stockley said in the report, "I discharged my department-issued firearm at the subject striking him in the chest."

Stockley then entered Smith's car "to locate the weapon and render it safe," the report said. He removed ammunition from the silver revolver, he said in the report.
Forensic analysis revealed that Stockley's was the only DNA present on the gun he said belonged to Smith, the criminal complaint said.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/us/jason-stockley-st-louis-protest-arrests/index.html
1 iwog   2017 Sep 18, 12:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Rioting over perceived injustice is not civil disobedience. Neither is inciting a mob to violence.

The mob loses my respect and my support when their "protest" involves looting stores and attacking innocent people. They are not justified. They are bringing down civilization by doing this.
2 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 12:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
They are bringing down civilization by doing this.


Suicide bombing similarly, but suicide bombing is another way to demand change which ALWAYS starts happening EVERYWHERE EVERY TIME when enough hopelessness sets in.

History.

Let's hope that broadening general hopelessness is not the inevitable course of human events as we continue our daily descent into neo-feudalism.

They can't make you support them but they can STILL make you respect them.
3 iwog   2017 Sep 18, 1:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
jazz_music says
Suicide bombing similarly, but suicide bombing is another way to demand change which ALWAYS starts happening EVERYWHERE EVERY TIME when enough hopelessness sets in.

History.

They can't make you support them but they can STILL make you respect them.


"Protesting" like this makes the police stronger, wins them support, and creates an even more oppressive society.

I don't know where the left lost the message of Ghandi and Martin Luther King but they are going to pay dearly for their ignorance.
4 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 1:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
they are going to pay dearly for their ignorance.


Obviously some don't care how much they pay as long as they can take down just a few of the oppressors.

Like I said this tactic is not something that just came along, this is a part of human history, in my view it goes along with broadening and deepening hopelessness. Such as a people who have been repeatedly and unequivocally shown that their lives don't matter. --they shall submit or die like dogs.

Ever notice what a big deal funerals are to black people?
5 iwog   2017 Sep 18, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
jazz_music says
Obviously some don't care how much they pay as long as they can take down just a few of the oppressors.


I don't even understand what you are saying. They aren't taking down any of their oppressors. Are you advocating the mob executes police officers?

jazz_music says
Like I said this tactic is not something that just came along, this is a part of human history, in my view it goes along with broadening and deepening hopelessness.


That's right. This type of violence is the end game before someone like Hitler is elected to restore order. The people who are responsible for this riot are committing suicide. They are wantonly self-destructive. They are taking the worst possible action for their own future.

How does the possible homicide of a violent thug add to deepening hopelessness? I simply don't understand the logic here. Even if everything the prosecution said was true, the man who died could have easily avoided death by following the law.
6 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I edit my posts as I think further

Apologies if that causes frustrations.
7 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
They aren't taking down any of their oppressors. Are you advocating the mob executes police officers?


History. It will happen. It does happen in other parts of the world. I'm postulating that the trigger is broadening and deepening hopelessness.

No advocacy needed. It will happen.

As long as you are talking harsh consequences these tactics prove that harsh consequences can and will cut both ways: that's the point, an effective reaction to oppression.

Now should wealth think twice about metastasizing into oppression? No, just get more cops with better guns and armored cars, they think that it's all good. --maybe not so good after all
8 iwog   2017 Sep 18, 1:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I don't see any oppression. I see a dead man who may or may not have deserved it.

I don't even think the mob even knows what they are fighting for. What are their specific demands? I don't know what they are.
9 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 1:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
I don't even think the mob even knows what they are fighting for. What are their specific demands?


Interesting POV It's generally seen as important to characterize any resistance as crazy persons. Official narratives proceed from this opening statement IF POSSIBLE. --you know, utter dismissal of the opposition

These people reject their dismissal. I think it is interesting that the trial was set up somehow to avoid a jury. Whatever the judge says decides the officer's fate.--isn't that special?

So

These people are pressuring local authority for a higher quality justice system where their lives matter so much that bully cops, who are routinely on steroids and you can't find out if they are or not, cannot blithely expect to kill and walk. They might end up getting something like a modicum of civil oversight if their violence cuts too deeply into the routinely expected cash flows for that area. --hmmmmm
10 iwog   2017 Sep 18, 1:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I still don't know what their demands are.

If their demands are: "One or two people are racist and they suck so we're going to tear up the city!" I'm against their demands.
11 anonymous   2017 Sep 18, 1:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
That's not "civil" disobedience when they are rioting, destroying public and other peoples property. That's just a stupid riot that needs to be put down by force.
12 KimJongUn   2017 Sep 18, 1:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
jazz_music says
I think it is interesting that the trial was set up somehow to avoid a jury.


What's so "interesting" about it?

It's defendant's right to chose between bench and jury trial. Trial by jury cannot be denied if defendant wants it, but it's not mandatory if he doesn't. So there's no special "somehow" - it's all SOP.
13 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 1:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
I don't know where the left lost the message of Ghandi and Martin Luther King but they are going to pay dearly for their ignorance.


Also interesting that Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr paid dearly for their rising up.

I'm not claiming these people are non violent. But does it ever fail? Establishment's oldest trick in the book, and most well used, is to seed any and all demonstration with violence agitators. This of course demonstrates the necessity of the onslaught of brutal policing.

Probably overcoming such tactics was instrumental in driving the American labor movement to an alliance with mafia bosses.

Alternately you can get a nice license and confine your demonstration to a little park off in the corner somewhere and you might even get your picture in the local paper next to the real estate ads and fast food coupons.
14 jazz_music   2017 Sep 18, 1:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Now that 5 families own 99% of the media they have the option of treating the entire country like a small town and limit visibility profoundly to any and all dissent.
15 iwog   2017 Sep 18, 2:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
jazz_music says
I'm not claiming these people are non violent. But does it ever fail? Establishment's oldest trick in the book, and most well used, is to seed any and all demonstration with violence agitators. This of course demonstrates the necessity of the onslaught of brutal policing.

Probably overcoming such tactics was instrumental in driving the American labor movement to an alliance with mafia bosses.


There is nothing but darkness on the other side of this type of rioting.

I don't know how else to say it. It's suicide and is a big part of why Trump is president now. They are horribly wrong.
16 Strategist   2017 Sep 18, 4:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Rioting over perceived injustice is not civil disobedience. Neither is inciting a mob to violence.

The mob loses my respect and my support when their "protest" involves looting stores and attacking innocent people. They are not justified. They are bringing down civilization by doing this.


Happens every time. Why are you surprised?
17 Dan8267   2017 Sep 18, 5:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Rioting over perceived injustice is not civil disobedience. Neither is inciting a mob to violence.

The mob loses my respect and my support when their "protest" involves looting stores and attacking innocent people. They are not justified. They are bringing down civilization by doing this.


Protesting does nothing. Looting does nothing. Forming mobs does nothing.

The only effective solution is an organized, armed resistance.
18 KimJongUn   2017 Sep 18, 6:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
jazz_music says
Now that 5 families own 99% of the media they have the option of treating the entire country like a small town and limit visibility profoundly to any and all dissent.


Bullshit: interwebz allow anyone make any shit as visible as they want it to be (or even blow it up out of proportion if they so desire).

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