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War Between North Korea and the United States Is Inevitable

By ohomen171 following x   2017 Sep 20, 4:34am 8,410 views   203 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


War Between The United States And North Korea Is Inevitable

I have been warning everyone for weeks that a miscalculation or a mistake is going to lead to a war between the US and North Korea that will result in the use of nuclear weapons in battle for the first time since 1945.
I promised myself that I would not watch the Ken Burns series Vietnam. After all, I had four friends killed there and some friends wounded. A Purple Heart certificate sits on the wall in my study. I broke the promise to myself. I watched the first two episode of the series yesterday. I focused on how four U.S. presidents saw Vietnam. Let me summarize what I saw:
President Eisenhower: He gave France hundreds of millions of dollars in support to keep them fighting in Vietnam. At one point, he was financing 80% of France’s costs to fight the war. France had over 100,000 casualties in Vietnam. President Eisenhower would not send US troops. He decided that the war was unwinnable.
President Kennedy: One quote in the show was most telling as follows:
“These people don’t like us. But if Vietnam falls to the Communists, I will lose the 1964 election.”
At the John F. Kennedy Library, I purchased a book: Vietnam Had Kennedy Lived. This is some heavy reading and quite scholarly. The conclusion is that Kennedy would have stayed in Vietnam until after the 1964 election and then started to wind down US involvement even if the North Vietnamese won.
President Johnson: Despite his humble background and education, Johnson’s biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin described him as a political genius. Johnson believed in The Domino Theory. In other words, if South Vietnam fell, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, etc. would follow.
President Nixon: Alan Greenspan described Nixon as a dark and troubled man with a brilliant mind. President Nixon was a master of foreign affairs. He too believed in the Domino Theory.
With Johnson and Nixon strong believers in the Domino Theory, it was inevitable that Vietnam would be a long and a bloody war for the USA. North Vietnam won at the cost of some 3.25 million people killed. 20% of their territory is a “no man’s land” due to land mines and poisonous chemicals. After the Vietnam war ended in 1975, an additional 50,000 Vietnamese civilians were killed by land mines and unexploded ordinance.
Let us go to the present. Everyone thinks that Donald Trump is wild and irresponsible. Even if Hillary Clinton or Mike Pence were president, a war with North Korea would be inevitable. It would escalate to a nuclear conflict. The mindset is there as it was in Vietnam. It will start with some mistake or misunderstanding. It will quickly escalate into a nuclear exchange because that sort of firepower will be needed to destroy North Korea’s military capabilities.
Let me expose some fallacies as follows:
1) Kim Jung Un and his senior management team are phantoms hiding in heavily-fortified bunkers all the time. Wrong, they do appear in public. Rest assured that the following countries have “eyes on” Kim and his management team 24 hours a-day seven days a week:
The US
Japan
South Korea
China
Israel (Due to fear of North Korea sharing its nuclear technology with Iran.)
The dream of all these countries would be a stealth drone strike that would kill Kim Jung Un and his management team. If this happened the country would collapse.
2) Massive nuclear weapons will have to be employed with casualties in the range of 25 million plus. Nuclear weapons will be employed to “take out” military targets. My educated guess is one million casualties.
3) South Korea and Japan will be heavily damaged. There will be some casualties and damage in South Korea and Japan. China should be very concerned. When things get really irrational, North Korean nuclear weapons and poison gas might be used against China.
What will follow will be a temporary fall in world financial markets with a nasty recession to follow. Violent protests will erupt all over the world. These protests will make the Vietnam War protests seem pale in comparison.

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164   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 8:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
No one is gonna start anything


Going with 75-25 that we are fully into something significant before the midterms.

Leaning towards the middle east region at the moment but one or another we will be into something.

Got to salvage those midterms somehow and too many GOP seats are going vacant with all of the retirements - especially for morals related problems.
165   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Strategist says
The West is all democracy


Stand up comedy now ? Glad I stayed up for a bit.


The West is the most democratic. Prove me wrong.
166   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 8:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Armageddon - a bit dramatic this evening but sounds pretty scary - maybe the administration can use it.



Everybody with a brain, from Kissinger to Mearsheimer to Kennan understood the difference between what the enemy considers an existential threat, versus a little loss of prestige. Churchill would have understood it. But not the Kerrys, Powers, Merkels, and Verhofstadts.

The shit in Syria now is just an Old Bear trying to hold on to it's last remaining overseas bases and influence for prestige. It's not an existential threat to the Bear Cave. NATO membership for Ukraine, like Mexico or Canada joing a Chinese or Russian alliance/mutual defense pact, IS an existential threat.

Trump's policy of just ignoring the Russians and doing whatever is necessary in Syria is working great. Putin is actually losing face for the first time in his career but it's not an existential threat to lose access to Latakia. The annihilation of the mercenaries, who were probably a front group of real Russian special forces, was a real downer, on top of all the threats about shooting down missiles that were ignored and not followed through. But Latakia is not nuke worthy.
167   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 8:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
They won't be given any choices, and carrots, or any concessions, until after they denuclearize to our satisfaction


Wanna bet ? They have already got more than they could have ever imagined and it will pay dividends for years to come.

Are we going to denuclearize to their satisfaction ? When they say Korean "peninsula" that means both ends - all of it
168   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
ISIS is the JV Team.
We Came, We Saw, He Died.
Reset Button.
Red Line.


And ISIS came about because - go ahead - BUSHII and the other guy with the mustache - Jim something, last names starts with a "B" and it seems he is somewhere in government again..


ISIS rose to power because of Obama only.
169   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 8:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
The West is the most democratic.


That was not the original statement therefore not playing that game. The original statement was the west is all democracy.
170   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 8:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Are we going to denuclearize to their satisfaction ? When they say Korean "peninsula" that means both ends - all of it


Yep. But that's no biggy. It ain't 1951 no more. The ROK army then was an untrained shambles. Today it's a highly effective fighting force that's quantitatively equal, but vastly qualitatively superior, to North Korea.
171   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Strategist says
They won't be given any choices, and carrots, or any concessions, until after they denuclearize to our satisfaction


Wanna bet ? They have already got more than they could have ever imagined and it will pay dividends for years to come.

Are we going to denuclearize to their satisfaction ? When they say Korean "peninsula" that means both ends - all of it


Does not matter what NK says. They will denuclearize completely, because Kim and his regime cannot win.
172   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 8:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Trump's policy of just ignoring the Russians and doing whatever is necessary in Syria is working great


Should Iran to decide to up the ante and get more involved along with other things related to their own nuclear program, will we still be ignoring.

Syria is a great place for a war. Only a token American or Russian gets killed once in awhile and we can proxy ourselves ad nauseum until we can't anymore when someone changes the equation.
173   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Strategist says
The West is the most democratic.


That was not the original statement therefore not playing that game. The original statement was the west is all democracy.


The West is all democracy. No one comes even close.
174   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 8:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Remember Folks, CNN said the Iraqi Army was the 4th Largest in the World in 1991. Seems silly today, but I remember watching Desert Storm night after night as a kid on CNN, back when it was a serious news channel.

So many talking heads bleating about how it was gonna be the struggle of titans, when it turned out to be the most one-sided battle in History.
175   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 8:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
They will denuclearize completely, because Kim and his regime cannot win


They had already won - a significant victory just by getting major street cred for being recognized as a world threat and player in the nuclear world.

By the way what is the expected time line for this denuclearization, how will it be verified, how will it be maintained - what's to stop China and or Russia from exerting influence and or placing a few military weapons in the country prior to any reunification.

Speaking of reunification are we going to help absorb the costs ? There will be lots of costs - lost generation or two worth of costs.
176   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 8:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Guys - it's been fun but I need to depart for the evening. Again perhaps.
177   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Strategist says
They will denuclearize completely, because Kim and his regime cannot win


They had already won - a significant victory just by getting major street cred for being recognized as a world threat and player in the nuclear world.


LOL. If you call Kim reaching out to eliminate their nukes after Trump's threats, as a significant victory for Kim, I am truly amazed.
Can we aim for even more success for Kim? It seems we have a formula to make everyone happy.
178   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Remember Folks, CNN said the Iraqi Army was the 4th Largest in the World in 1991. Seems silly today, but I remember watching the telly as a kid.

So many talking heads bleating about how it was gonna be the struggle of titans, when it turned out to be the most one-sided battle in History.


ROFL. I remember that Aziz guy saying......"This is not Grenada, this is not Panama, this is Iraq"
HA ha ha ha ha. Do you remember the videos of the powerful Iraqi army kissing the hands of American soldiers?
It was so funny. Now they say the same crap about NK, Iran, Syria, and what not.
My question is......will they ever learn? ROFL ROFL.
179   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 27, 8:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
By the way what is the expected time line for this denuclearization, how will it be verified, how will it be maintained - what's to stop China and or Russia from exerting influence and or placing a few military weapons in the country prior to any reunification.


Relax. They will work that out. Step at a time.
180   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 9:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
My question is......will they ever learn? ROFL ROFL.


No. It's part of their fundamental worldview. The Left-Islamic alliance WANTS the West (esp. the USA) to fail. They would love a meeting like this:
181   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 9:36pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        





This doesn't look like WW3 to me:

182   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 28, 4:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@WarrenTheApe - spot on concerning your comment # 181.
184   just_passing_through   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 29, 8:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Booger yours are the best!
185   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 1, 7:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Why the US’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump can learn from it.

After more than two decades of testing, North Korea finally has a missile that is powerful enough to deliver a nuclear warhead to US territory – that is, to Alaska and/or Hawaii, if estimates are to be believed. This is an extremely dangerous development, and if the Trump administration is to avoid spiralling into a nuclear confrontation with North Korea, it needs to understand what North Korea wants and why it behaves the way it does.

Fortunately for Trump’s team, there is precedent here. In 1994, the Clinton administration and North Korea signed an Agreed Framework that froze Pyongyang’s nuclear programme and aimed to normalise US-North Korean relations. The agreement targeted many of the issues that the two sides continue to grapple with – but it soon ran into problems, and ultimately broke down in 2002.

Now, the north is closer than ever to a full-blown nuclear missile capability, and that puts the Trump administration under enormous pressure. If the White House wants to get its North Korea policy right, it must try and understand why the US’s last best chance to resolve this crisis ultimately didn’t work out.

Under the terms of the 1994 framework, North Korea agreed to freeze and ultimately dismantle its nuclear programme in exchange for “the full normalisation of political and economic relations with the United States”. This meant four things:

•By 2003, a US-led consortium would build two light-water nuclear reactors in North Korea to compensate for the loss of nuclear power;

•Until then, the US would supply the north with 500,000 tons per year of heavy fuel;

•The US would lift sanctions, remove North Korea from its list of state sponsors of terrorism, and – perhaps most importantly – normalise the political relationship, which is still subject to the terms of the 1953 Korean War armistice;

•Finally, both sides would provide “formal assurances” against the threat or use of nuclear weapons.

For a while, things seemed to be going well. In 1998, US officials involved in the implementation of the agreement testified to Congress that both the US and the International Atomic Energy Agency were satisfied that there had been “no fundamental violation of any aspect of the Framework Agreement” by North Korea.

But on its own pledges, Washington failed to follow through.

Full Article - https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss-1994-deal-with-north-korea-failed-and-what-trump-can-learn-from-it-80578

Note: Pick your favorite political party to blame after reading.
186   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 May 1, 8:24am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Man this thread did NOT age well.
187   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 May 2, 2:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aging even worse, now:

North Korea has freed three U.S. citizens detained for years in the communist country, bowing to another demand of President Trump ahead of his planned meeting with Kim Jong-un.

The three Americans — Kim Dong Chul, Kim Hak-song and Kim Sang Duk, also known as Tony Kim — were released from a North Korean labor camp and sent to Pyongyang for medical treatment, the Financial Times reported.

Though out of the brutal labor camp, the men remain in the grasp of Mr. Kim’s regime.

They currently are believed to be convalescing in a hotel outside Pyongyang.

“We believe that Mr. Trump can take them back on the day of the U.S.-North Korea summit, or he can send an envoy to take them back to the U.S. before the summit,” said Choi Sung-ryong, an activist pursuing release of North Korea’s political prisoners.

The release of the three Americans marked another significant victory for the Trump administration, which also won North Korea’s agreement to discuss giving up its nuclear weapon program as a prerequisite for the talks.

National Security Adviser John R. Bolton had called for the release of the detainees, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reportedly raised the issue during secret face-to-face talks with Mr. Kim last month in Pyongyang.

Kim Hak-song and Kim Sang Duk worked at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology. Kim Dong Chul is the president of a company involved in international trade and hotel services. He was sentenced to 10 years on espionage charges.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/2/north-korea-releases-us-detainees-bows-another-tru/
188   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 May 2, 4:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Why the US’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump can learn from it.

After more than two decades of testing, North Korea finally has a missile that is powerful enough to deliver a nuclear warhead to US territory – that is, to Alaska and/or Hawaii, if estimates are to be believed. This is an extremely dangerous development, and if the Trump administration is to avoid spiralling into a nuclear confrontation with North Korea, it needs to understand what North Korea wants and why it behaves the way it does.


Trump knows exactly why past Presidents failed. They need to learn why Trump succeeded so much in such a short period of time, even though NK already has the nuclear bomb.
I would also suggest those who worked in past administrations, not give advise to Trump on Iran. They had their chance. Now get out of the way.
189   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 May 2, 4:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
Now get out of the way.


In other words.......Fuck Off
190   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 4, 2:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
bowing to another demand of President Trump ahead of his planned meeting with Kim Jong-un.


Bowing ? OFMG - This is hilarious. How about being played like a fiddle and a cheap poor quality one at that.

Strategist says
Trump knows exactly why past Presidents failed.


With all due respect befitting his office, Potus does not know if his ass was punched or bored let alone the nuances of diplomacy with the Asians.

Anyway...

South Korea’s Strategy to Bring Peace to the Peninsula: Credit Trump. Trump enjoys flattery, so the South Koreans are flattering him into engaging North Korea diplomatically.

Does the South Korean government really believe that Trump’s “maximum pressure” policy is the force driving North Korea to consider bargaining away its nuclear weapons? As South Korean officials handle the heavy lifting through constant rounds of shuttle diplomacy, do they really think it is all thanks to Trump?

Among academics and experts there are still conflicting answers to this question. But regardless of whether you believe Trump contributed to the successful holding of the PyeongChang Olympics or not, or whether or not you are convinced that Trump’s “maximum pressure” policy brought North Korea to its knees, the South Korean government has found perhaps the best answer: it doesn’t matter, give Trump the credit anyway.

The South Korean government learned quickly during the Olympics that Trump enjoys flattery, most likely because Trump told Moon as much. Trump was quick to tout his role in Olympic diplomacy right away, bragging about his role in early January via Twitter. And Trump has continued, and continued, and continued to boast about the South Korean government’s comments. Trump has also not been shy in taking credit for the advances in inter-Korean relations before and after the summit last week.

Watching Trump swoon at the blatant smooth talk of its diplomats, the Moon administration has clearly decided it is worth sharing the limelight with the attention-happy Trump if it means achieving its goals in terms of talks towards denuclearization and a peace treaty with North Korea. The “give Trump credit” campaign has assisted the South Korean government in three respects.

First, giving Trump credit for the inter-Korean summit talks, and previously for the success of the Olympics, ties Trump to the fate of diplomacy. Moon watched two previous inter-Korean summits amount to very little as the Bush administration remained unwilling to engage North Korea directly. And only a few months ago the Trump administration was considering a so-called “bloody nose” preemptive strike on North Korea, with the preference for this policy being strong enough to warrant dropping Victor Cha as the administration’s nominee for the South Korea ambassadorship due to his opposition to the strike. If Moon’s inter-Korean summit was going to succeed, he recognized that he must provide the U.S. with a stake in the negotiations. And Moon found the perfect opportunity to do so by tying Trump’s ego to diplomacy with North Korea. Trump has been forced to table a preemptive strike in so small part because the South Korean government has been willing to say that Trump is responsible for the peaceful diplomatic talks that are underway. In other words, as long as North Korea keeps its end of the bargain, Trump must play the “peacemaker” role whether he likes it or not.

Second, it allows the South Korean government to remain in the driver’s seat of diplomacy with North Korea. The South Korean government was able to steer Trump into a path of summits and talks, and Trump continues to garner all the benefits of inter-Korean diplomacy thus far without truly lifting a finger. Since helping Trump do an about-face on North Korea policy, Moon and his lieutenants have remained out in front of the U.S., directing the traffic in Northeast Asia by suggesting a variety of multilateral summits and offering to broker meetings between North Korea and others. And at each stage the South Korean government is keen to look back and thank Trump before moving on to the next stage. The U.S. remains on the sidelines to such a degree that Moon is having to remind his constituents that the U.S. must be included in a peace treaty with North Korea.

Finally, the “give Trump credit” strategy by the South Korean government is helping provide the domestic political capital Trump will need if he is going to make a deal with Kim Jong-un. Trump’s political base was on board with the “bloody nose” strike just months ago; a Gallup poll in September 2017 found that 82 percent of Republicans supported a strike on North Korea if the U.S. could not achieve its goals peacefully. Crediting Trump also takes on greater importance if we consider that a Pew Research Center poll from November 2017 found that almost half of Americans (46 percent) do not trust Trump at all when it comes to North Korea policy. The willingness of the South Korean government to give Trump credit makes Trump’s North Korea policy appear successful domestically and is allowing Trump to claim to have been successful where so many previous U.S. presidents failed, an important campaign slogan ahead of the November 2018 midterm elections. Trump’s base and the U.S. media are eating up what South Korean diplomats have to offer as well, boosting Trump’s image in the midst of various scandals.

The Moon administration’s “give Trump credit” campaign has proved quite successful so far. The South Korean government has coaxed the Trump administration into doing a 180 in North Korea policy, continues to steer the flow of diplomacy with North Korea, and has even gotten Trump’s supporters to buy-in with the chants of “Nobel” ringing at Trump’s most recent rally. Moon’s willingness to share the spotlight has locked Trump into negotiating with North Korea for at least the next several months. While there are various opinions about whether or not these talks will produce any real outcome, at least for now the Moon administration has succeeded in giving peace a chance by sharing the credit with Trump.

More: https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/south-koreas-strategy-to-bring-peace-to-the-peninsula-credit-trump/
191   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 18, 5:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

President Donald Trump issued a strange and threatening ultimatum to Kim Jong Un on Thursday.

•It was in response to North Korean complaints about US demands for the country to rid itself of nuclear weapons.

•Trump essentially compared North Korea to Libya, telling Kim, the North Korean leader, that he could either denuclearize his country or face war with the US.

•North Korea recently flipped out on the US, bashing Trump's administration and its policies, and Trump has gone back to hawkish rhetoric just as fast.

•The episode should remind us that, as long as North Korea has nuclear weapons, we are a hair's breadth from nuclear war.

President Donald Trump addressed a key North Korean complaint on Thursday, ahead of a planned historic summit between Trump and Kim Jong Un.

But in doing so he evoked the threats that brought the world to the brink of nuclear war in 2017.

Asked about comments by his national security adviser, John Bolton, that the White House was looking at a "Libya model" for ridding North Korea of nuclear weapons, something to which North Korea responded angrily, Trump essentially issued an ultimatum: Denuclearize or die.

The ultimatum was clear, but Trump's understanding of the history of disarmament in Libya was not.

"The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation," Trump said. "We went in there to beat him."

The US and other nations agreed with Libya in 2003 to remove the Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's nascent nuclear weapons program and his chemical weapons.

Gaddafi gained international acceptance as a result, and he ruled for eight more years until a popular uprising plunged his country into civil war.

The US, along with NATO allies, then backed the uprising against him, and attacked Gaddafi's forces, but did not kill Gaddafi.

Though the US strikes were effective, they were focused and did not "decimate" the country in the way that, say, US bombers pounded North Korea in the Korean War.

By Thursday, Trump was back to talking about decimation and framing North Korea's future as a choice between death or denuclearization.

Both Trump and Kim have incentives to keep the summit and peace push on track. But as Trump's comments on Thursday show, despite the hand-holding and peace talks, almost nothing has changed in North Korea, or with Trump.

Experts warn that a Trump-Kim summit carries huge risk. If the summit fails to achieve peace and agreement, the highest cards in both countries' diplomatic decks have been played, and all that remains is confrontation.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-threat-to-kim-jong-un-shows-were-still-close-to-nuclear-war-2018-5
193   mell   ignore (1)   2018 May 18, 5:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Any minute
194   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 May 18, 6:06pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
ISIS is the JV Team.
We Came, We Saw, He Died.
Reset Button.
Red Line.


And ISIS came about because - go ahead - BUSHII and the other guy with the mustache - Jim something, last names starts with a "B" and it seems he is somewhere in government again..


ISIS is just an extension of Saudi Arabia.

Exact same philosophy, just unrestrained by official connection to oil export, which limits what the official Saudi government policy can be.

If there were no threat of boycott or expropriation of Saudi assets, the Saudis would publicly behave exactly the same.
195   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 19, 2:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
ISIS is just an extension of Saudi Arabia.


The west and the rest of the world will be dealing with their new Asian branch in Indonesia and adjacent countries in the region in a yuuggee way very very soon.

But it sure is comforting to know what great Allies we have. Strategic ones too - as long as the oil holds out or they have something else someone in this country can get more rich on.

Speaking of that last part - something else someone in this country can get more rich on - lost in all of the media bullshit, hype, photo ops, etc. and regardless of what side of the political aisle your preferred news comes from - the amount of mineral wealth etc. that lies in North Korea waiting to be exploited along with the environment and the people living there.

Anyone thinking this is solely about a nuclear threat from North Korea (of which they have never really successfully proved much of anything other than they can hit the ocean and even that is not done with great precision) is very naïve, very very naïve.
196   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 May 19, 7:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Any update from the trenches?
197   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 May 19, 11:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The North Koreans haven't cancelled Singapore meeting, despite the hope of Lefties who want Trump to fail more than they want Peace and Denuclearization.

The North Koreans whinged, Trump pulled out a B-52 out of the 100s of aircraft in an exercise as a goodwill gesture. Everything is headed towards Singapore in June.
198   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 May 19, 12:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says

Does the South Korean government really believe that Trump’s “maximum pressure” policy is the force driving North Korea to consider bargaining away its nuclear weapons? As South Korean officials handle the heavy lifting through constant rounds of shuttle diplomacy, do they really think it is all thanks to Trump?

Among academics and experts there are still conflicting answers to this question.


Nice smear. Not one quote or interview or other point of evidence is provided. Rather, South Korea officials have warmly thanked Trump for his moves with North Korea.
199   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 19, 12:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
South Korea officials have warmly thanked Trump for his moves with North Korea.


The Golden Golem of Humility, Greatness and Acceptor of All Platitudes no matter how false graciously acknowledged that he alone, not even God has the where with all to bring peace to the world. Hallelujah !

Kindly send in a campaign donation of at least 10% of your gross worth to help Make America Great Again. Make the check out to D. Trump.
200   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 19, 12:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump may give in on China trade to get North Korea’s Kim Jong Un, says former ambassador...

•President Donald Trump is mixing three issues that should not be mixed: trade, foreign policy and enforcement, says Max Baucus.

•He believes that could be a "real danger."

"The problem is he may give in on trade in order to get [North Korean dictator] Kim [Jong Un]," Baucus said on "Closing Bell."

The summit between Kim and Trump is set to take place in Singapore, but it's unclear if it will occur. Kim has threatened to pull out and on Wednesday Trump said "we'll have to see" if the summit is still on.

On Thursday, Trump said the North Korean leader was possibly being influenced by Beijing.

"It's very dangerous because we don't know what's in Kim Jong Un's mind. We don't know what's in [Chinese President] Xi Jinping's mind. We don't know what's in Trump's mind," said Baucus, a Democratic former senator from Montana.

"We can't trust Kim. It's also a bit hard to trust Xi Jinping. So I wouldn't give up a lot of stuff now hoping we can get Kim to go to Singapore and get a deal," he added.

Baucus also slammed Trump's push to get Chinese company ZTE back into business in the U.S. Last month, the Trump administration barred U.S. companies from selling to ZTE for seven years. The ban was in response to the company's shipping of American goods to Iran and North Korea in violation of sanctions. ZTE has said the ban was unacceptable and threatened its survival.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/18/trump-may-give-in-on-china-trade-to-get-kim-john-un-former-ambassador.html

Pay no attention to today's news about the Chinese Bombers landing on the man made islands

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/19/asia-pacific/china-lands-bombers-south-china-sea-outpost-first-time/#.WwB-NcLD_mI

Maybe the UN can take up a collection and get Potus a used second hand Nobel Prize in or for something - you think ?
201   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 May 19, 4:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yep, it's a bit hard. Previous Admins would just put Rustbelt Americans out on the street without a second thought.

Trump has to balance many issues. Not to worry though, the Chinese and US just had a joint announcement about buying more US Stuff, because it's not just about us buying less from them, but about them buying more from us.
202   Kakistocracy   ignore (0)   2018 May 20, 4:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Trump has to balance many issues


Potus really should consult with a mental health professional on a regular basis, say daily.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Previous Admins would just put Rustbelt Americans out on the street without a second thought


And this has what to do exactly with what is going on in North Korea ?

Since Potus is somehow managing to get a second thought now and then, what is he doing to help get those Rustbelt Americans off the street since the policies coming out from the administration are anything but helpful to the down and out.

It must be all those jobs that pay a living wage with benefits that is turning the tide huh ? It that why the homeless population is growing along with more people falling out of the middle class and into the lower classes ?

But again - all of this fluff about trade, Rustbelt families etc. has what to do exactly with Korea, Bolton and Potus threats ?

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