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Age discrimination has been rampant in IT since the early 1980s, if not sooner. This is nothing new.

If there were really a shortage of IT people, then age would not be an issue.

Regardless of gender, people aged 52 to 70 are 60 percent less likely to be hired for a tech job.

And I just turned 52 last week!

zzyzzx says

If there were really a shortage of IT people, then age would not be an issue.

There is a shortage of young, hot putang in IT.

Very true, though age brings you the experience to do other things than pure coding.

LOL BULL CRAP!

The young developers are far less critical thinker than Gen X developers.
We learned a wider breadth of technologies, programming was programming was programming.
We wore Analyst, Developer, Network Admin, DB Admin, Email administrator. We set up a network from soup to nuts then develop the Custom Domain Software for their enterprise. There was a point about 13 years ago. Where people all jumped on the open source cloud bandwagon. Which for more than 80% of them meant LAMP development.
I've noticed those guys are starting to get left behind. I was speaking with LAMP developer that works on the Marketing public facing side of the business. He's late 30's about to be 40. He's freaking out because he doesn't get MVC, Magneto and all of these new skills required that goes beyond the scope of LAMP. He doesn't get Design Pattern Principles, where you spot the pattern in the design and adapt or consume where it fits in future projects. He thinks object oriented is a bunch of Malarkey.

I turned 50 in August, not only am I Bleeding the edge of of the field I'm developing the leading software vendor at this point. Is customizing their whole automation suite based on my feedback. Because nobody else in the industry has the expertise in house to use the XML batching automation features. The next 15 years will be the most exciting time in my career if not life.

Since the day I first told my wife "You just got to know your Shit!" over 20 years ago.
When she was worried about our future because I would only stop tinkering with the development stack long enough to do a carpet job to pay a final notice. I was fully committed, and I meant it when I said it. She said I had to go to college, I said "No you just got to know your Shit!"

zzyzzx says

And I just turned 52 last week!

Wait until you get to be be an old codger,you won't give a shit & won't give a damn about what people think.

Tenpoundbass says

"No you just got to know your Shit!"

How about telling that to Republican & Democrat voters.
Forget it! They will never know shit about shit.

HEY YOU says

How about telling that to Republican & Democrat voters.

And what pray-tell would you have those voters do? If your answer is vote third party, then you don't understand shit about Wolf's Dilemma or the problems with our election system.

Stop bitching and moaning about the voters and start advocating election law changes. The voters cannot do jack diddle shit to stop the two major parties as long as the law is rigged to ensure only those two parties win. Understand the damn problem before you bitch about the players who have absolutely no control over the outcome of the game.

Here, I'm make it really fucking easy for you. Just watch the following cartoons. They make learning very easy. You'll have to click the links because for some wack reason Patrick isn't letting multiple embedded videos on a single post.
www.youtube.com/embed/s7tWHJfhiyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mky11UJb9AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI
There are plenty of tested and effective solutions to the problems with our election system, but absolutely none of them can be implemented by the voters. Voters have zero power. The laws need to be changed. Understand this.

When you turn 75, things start looking up because you can give a toothless blow job.

Dan8267 says

zzyzzx says

If there were really a shortage of IT people, then age would not be an issue.

There is a shortage of young, hot putang in IT.

Actually no, if you are into Chinese or Indian girls. plenty of those.

Ceffer says

When you turn 75, things start looking up because you can give a toothless blow job.

I remember when I was still doing carpet. I did a job one time for this guy that worked from home. He was about 75, he said he did financial spreadsheets.
In 2012 I worked with a guy that was 62, that gave me hope at 45 at the time. He had no problem learning using and embracing jquery, linq MVC and many of the other new industry changing programming tools. Many young and old had problem adjusting and are still struggling to find ASP.NET work using .net 2.0 technologies.
I think as long as you can adapt and make sense of the changing technology. You'll be in demand as long as you deliver results.
When you reach a certain age, you need to know your Customer. It's not working in an IT shop with a modern IT culture.
I think that's a dead end trap that even many young talented developers get trapped in. I wish I stayed with small Manufacturing companies and writing in house software for Mom and Pop companies. That's where innovation comes from and challenges that test you the most. I started out doing that but spent the last 10 years working for technology and finance IT shops. For big corporations. Nobody should waste their time doing that crap. If I invested in a company I would demand they outsource all of their IT work to one old guy named Murray. He makes a shit load of money, but saves the company a fuckton of cash.

Legacy skills are always in demand.

Patrick says

Actually no, if you are into Chinese or Indian girls. plenty of those.

You know I'm not. There are no women in IT who look like Taylor Swift. What's the point of dating a woman who looks nothing like Taylor Swift? I don't want to live in that world.

Patrick says

Actually no, if you are into Chinese or Indian girls. plenty of those.

On a serious note, one of the things I pointed out on another thread is that there is no shortage of women in IT. There is only a shortage of white women, which is what all the SJWs really mean, and black women, which no one cares about.

It's funny how Chinese and Indian women don't count as women in gender studies classes.

Dan8267 says

It's funny how Chinese and Indian women don't count as women in gender studies classes.

Lol, so true!

They don't count as women because they just go out and accomplish via their own hard work, proving that they are in no way oppressed. This is terribly embarrassing to militant feminists.

Patrick says

There is a shortage of young, hot putang in IT.

Actually no, if you are into Chinese or Indian girls. plenty of those.

Even more of a choice if you are into Chinese or Indian men.

From my days playing poker "there's no fool like an old fool".

Dan8267 says

And what pray-tell would you have those voters do? If your answer is vote third party, then you don't understand shit about Wolf's Dilemma or the problems with our election system.

Apparently you don't understand: Doing the same thing over & over is fucking nuts.
Everyone has the right to vote against their best interest.
For Democrats,the repeal & obliteration of Glass/Steagall was absolute genius.
The idiots & their elected officials that didn't initiate an insurrection on TBTF were extremely clever.
Wait! I must be wrong.These had absolutely no affect on any American.

Some will try to defend their stupidity.

HEY YOU says

Wait until you get to be be an old codger,you won't give a shit & won't give a damn about what people think.

Already the case!

HEY YOU says

Dan8267 says

And what pray-tell would you have those voters do? If your answer is vote third party, then you don't understand shit about Wolf's Dilemma or the problems with our election system.

Apparently you don't understand: Doing the same thing over & over is fucking nuts.

No, doing the same thing over and over again is not necessarily wrong. See Nash Equilibrium.

You did not, however, even attempt to answer the question. Exactly what actions do you want the individual voter to take? Be precise, clear, and honest.