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Colonial regulations intended to strangle Puerto Rico commerce are now killing people

By iwog following x   2017 Sep 27, 4:12pm 491 views   32 comments   watch   quote     share  

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-09-27/with-fuel-and-water-scarce-stricken-puerto-rico-presses-for-shipping-waiver

On Wednesday the governor and others pushed Trump to temporarily waive the Jones Act, a law requiring that all goods shipped between U.S. ports be carried by U.S. owned-and-operated vessels.

Administration officials on Tuesday balked at the idea, saying there was sufficient shipping capacity for emergency deliveries to Puerto Rico in the U.S. merchant fleet, but Trump said on Wednesday that a waiver was under consideration.

"We're thinking about that," Trump told reporters. "But we have a lot of shippers and .... a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the Jones Act lifted, and we have a lot of ships out there right now."


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1 KimJongUn   2017 Sep 27, 10:28pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
It gives some deranged lefties mucho pleasure to think that without US Puerto Rico will be just like Monaco (but better). But in RL it will be more like Haiti. US is what keeping them from a full-blown third-world-shitholiness. Does Haiti have Jones Act? Nope. Is it a fucking 4-th world shithole? Yes, it is.
2 Peter P   2017 Sep 27, 10:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Jones Act should be repealed completely.
3 BayAreaObserver   2017 Sep 27, 11:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
"But we have a lot of shippers and .... a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the Jones Act lifted, and we have a lot of ships out there right now."

169 Ocean going vessels of 1,000 gross tons or more, 108 freighters and 0.4% of the world's fleet.

https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_01_24.html_mfd

Sounds like something else is at hand. This is not a yuuggee number of vessels and or jobs but instead of a photo-op we have a sound byte to get the base to think he is out there fighting to protect jobs - like he is doing here in Indiana - not....

As for the Jones ACT is does offer some protection however this could have been waived for a period of time to assist the region however there has be a money trail somewhere....
4 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 12:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
SpecialSnowflake says
But in RL it will be more like Haiti.


Because you say so. No other reason given. Also it's gotta be Haiti, not the infinitely better Dominican Republic, once again because you say so. No other reason given.

SpecialSnowflake says
US is what keeping them from a full-blown third-world-shitholiness.


Can't possibly be Hawaii. Also how exactly are we keeping it from being a 3rd world shit hole? Modern power generation? Technologically advanced sewage treatment? Preferential trade rules? Maybe you should clarify. (but you wont)

I love how you justify treating this colonial possession so poorly without being willing to offer them either full citizenship or independence. You're one tiny step away from protesting the White Man's Burden which I thought was relegated to the ash heap of history long ago. New generations are apparently staying willfully ignorant of history.

Another exhibit showing Republicans are a disease. Are any of you Trump fucknuggets going to ever explain WHY Puerto Rico needs to remain in this twilight zone between belonging to a mother country and independance? Because I've been asking now for a couple of days and none of you have the fucking balls to make an attempt DESPITE the fact y'all blame Puerto Rico for their own misery because ..........Duh...........taxes or something.

The real issue here is a combination of petty politics (Puerto Rico will vote for Democrats) and blind stupid nationalism. (Can't be a puss like Carter who gave away Panama) Again the lot of you are a fucking disease and none of you deserve the vote.
5 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 12:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Again, brought to you by the Republican Party.

7 HEY YOU   2017 Sep 28, 8:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
A dictator that hates the Rule of Law
just waives any rules.
His Rep/Con/Nazi worshippers in CONgress take no action to help American
citizens in Puerto Rico.
8 zzyzzx   2017 Sep 28, 8:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Peter P says
Jones Act should be repealed completely.


Actually it should be enhanced to say that half of all ships entering US ports should be US flagged.
9 me123   2017 Sep 28, 8:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
There are thousands of containers of supplies sitting at the dock right now in PR, but can't be delivered. Why do you think that is?
10 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
lostand confused says
Trump waives Jones act.


I shamed him into doing it.
11 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
There are thousands of containers of supplies sitting at the dock right now in PR, but can't be delivered. Why do you think that is?


No fuel? No electricity? The roads are out?

Tell us why Piggy.
12 me123   2017 Sep 28, 9:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Tell us why


It has to be Trump's fault, right?
13 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 12:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
iwog says
Tell us why


It has to be Trump's fault, right?


Nope, it's not Trump's fault Piggy.

However I'm going to ask you the question again and since it's your topic, you should probably answer it instead of being a pathetic coward.

Why are there supplies sitting at the dock right now?
14 Booger   2017 Sep 28, 1:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
If Puerto Rico is so opposed by "Colonial regulations", why aren't they voting for independence?
15 me123   2017 Sep 28, 1:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
me123 says
iwog says
Tell us why


It has to be Trump's fault, right?


Nope, it's not Trump's fault


Nominated!!

That's the first time you didn't blame something on Trump. I'm shocked!!
16 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 2:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Booger says
If Puerto Rico is so opposed by "Colonial regulations", why aren't they voting for independence?


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............maybe..........because they would prefer statehood?

Since Republicans are skull-fucking Puerto Rico and refusing to give them any options, I'm sure they have a wish list which includes first best, second best, etc.
17 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
Nominated!!

That's the first time you didn't blame something on Trump. I'm shocked!!


1. You're a liar.
2. The term "nominated" originates from "nominated for the stupidest things ever said on pat.net". This means (LOL) you're nominating something you agree with for the stupidest thing ever said on pat.net. Congratulations!
3. You're a blithering idiot.
18 Quigley   2017 Sep 28, 2:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Jones act is labor protectionism, used to keep American seamen in jobs. Which party is into that? Hint: not Republicans!
19 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 3:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Quigley says
Jones act is labor protectionism, used to keep American seamen in jobs. Which party is into that? Hint: not Republicans!


So let me be REAL clear here: This implies you are very happy with Donald Trump repealing NAFTA, CAFTA, and the TPP because you are convinced that open borders and lack of trade restrictions costs American jobs? I wouldn't want you to have any hypocrisy on this issue or anything.

Also the Republicans are running things now. They should have suspended the Jones act the moment it became clear Puerto Rico was a massive disaster. Anyway he finally did the right thing and I expect that any day now we'll see a bill repealing it. (LOL) Or were you not serious?
20 me123   2017 Sep 28, 3:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Since Republicans are skull-fucking Puerto Rico


The past and current democrat governors are skull fucking PR.
21 me123   2017 Sep 28, 3:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
They should have suspended the Jones act the moment it became clear Puerto Rico was a massive disaster.


There's 9,500 containers of supplies sitting in the port. Suspending the Jones act doesn't get those supplies where they need to go. It just puts more stuff in the ports.
22 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 3:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
The past and current democrat governors are skull fucking PR.


Really? That's news to me. Well it's my opinion that you're wrong Piggy because Republicans have repeatedly blocked votes on independence referendums and statehood in order to maintain a very abusive status quo. While taking billions of dollars of wealth out of the country every year, the government is preventing any representation in the federal government and also preventing Puerto Rico from becoming independent by loading them up with trade restrictions. That's my well thought out and well supported argument.

So Piggy lets here your well thought out and well supported argument on how it's the fault of the governors?
23 me123   2017 Sep 28, 3:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
Since Republicans are skull-fucking Puerto Rico a


PR was skull fucked a long time ago by your beloved Bill Clinton and Section 936. The territory has been heading for the shitter ever since.
24 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 3:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
PR was skull fucked a long time ago by your beloved Bill Clinton and Section 936. The territory has been heading for the shitter ever since.


See Piggy, this is why everyone hates you.

I asked you politely to provide an argument and support your position. Instead of talking about how the governors of Puerto Rico ruined the island, you started spewing about Bill Clinton. Piggy this just makes you look like a total retard.

Puerto Rico was in pretty decent shape until around 2005. Anyway I'm going to stop talking to you Piggy unless you grow up and actually talk about your own stupid points. Agreed?
25 me123   2017 Sep 28, 3:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says
You're a liar.


That's funny, calling someone else a liar. Have you found those bomb scare facts yet or the verifiable facts on Doxxing. We're all still waiting for YOU to support your lies.
26 iwog   2017 Sep 28, 3:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
me123 says
We're all still waiting for YOU to support your lies.


No Piggy, no one is waiting for anything except for you to disappear. You're a pathetic stupid little man and you don't belong in society.
27 me123   2017 Sep 28, 3:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
You're a pathetic stupid little man and you don't belong in society.


Such anger, you should really learn to be nice to people And try to stop lying. It will help your blood pressure and you'll live longer.
28 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Sep 28, 5:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
There are 3,000 10,000 updated per CNN containers worth of aid sitting in PR Ports San Juan alone.

The truth is that the Truck Workers, Stevedores/Longshoreman, and Municipal Authorities are pulling what everybody who has lived in a Spanish-influenced country has experienced.

"Ooops, it's more than drizzling --- Manana!"


Part of the reason for the distribution backlog is that only 20% of truck drivers have reported back to work since Hurricane Maria swept through, according to a representative for Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rosselló.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/27/us/puerto-rico-aid-problem/index.html

Private Shippers and the USN and USCG are doing a great job, but they don't have the manpower or equipment to distribute it, which is the responsibility of the local workers and CW and Local authorities.

The calls to repeal the Jones act is like trying to get Mexican Truckers on US Roads - a scheme to use Indonesian crewed and owned ships instead of American ones.
29 me123   2017 Sep 28, 6:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
iwog says
I asked you politely to provide an argument and support your position. Instead of talking about how the governors of Puerto Rico ruined the island, you started spewing about Bill Clinton.


Why do you have such an issue with FACTS?? Anytime you're presented with true information that disrupts your twisted narrative, you go off on a vulgar tirade calling people liars and all types of names.

Seriously, get some help.
30 anonymous   2017 Sep 28, 7:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Quiet 2 Scoops, you're going to disrupt the latest and greatest DNC/Communist bashing point (attempt): this is Trump's Katrina moment. You see, it worked with Bush so let's try it again!
31 BayAreaObserver   2017 Sep 29, 1:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
"you're going to disrupt the latest and greatest DNC/Communist bashing point (attempt): this is Trump's Katrina moment. You see, it worked with Bush so let's try it again!"

Katrina was a self inflicted wound on the part of Dubya, just like Iraq and a whole lot more. The Dotard is scrambling but he will have his moment as well, deflection and distraction only works so long...
32 Dan8267   2017 Sep 29, 9:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
iwog says

On Wednesday the governor and others pushed Trump to temporarily waive the Jones Act, a law requiring that all goods shipped between U.S. ports be carried by U.S. owned-and-operated vessels.

Administration officials on Tuesday balked at the idea, saying there was sufficient shipping capacity for emergency deliveries to Puerto Rico in the U.S. merchant fleet, but Trump said on Wednesday that a waiver was under consideration.

"We're thinking about that," Trump told reporters. "But we have a lot of shippers and .... a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the Jones Act lifted, and we have a lot of ships out there right now."


For a second, I thought Trump was going to do something right. Obviously the regulation should be lifted for this emergency. The regulation itself, if it deserves to exist at all, should have had an exemption for all emergencies from day one. Better yet, a higher law should impose that no other law can hinder emergency relief vessels and that such vessels are exempt from all restrictions except medical quarantine.

Legislators can't code for shit. Only great software developers should be allowed to write laws.

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