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He slammed the vote as “illegal” and said the majority of protesters were fooled into taking part.Rajoy said: “So many Catalans have been cheated when they were invited to participate in an illegal mobilisation.“I understand the frustration that today can be felt and I really regret that the people affected by this suffer."He said the protests were a strategy against legality and democracy and thanked the police for cracking down on those involved.Rajoy added: “Change must be the result of loyal dialogue, the large majority of the people of Catalonia did not want to participate in this line of action.
Meaning that you can say whatever you want, as long as you don't say anything we disagree with.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
BARCELONA, Spain — Hundreds of people were injured when armed police descended on some polling stations in Catalonia on Sunday as defiant voters tried to take part in a banned referendum on independence from Madrid.The Catalonian government said late Monday that about 90 percent of about 2.25 million voters backed independence. That would represent a turnout of about 42 percent of registered voters.But as regional health officials announced on Sunday night that the number of people wounded had nearly doubled, rising from more than 460 to over 760, conservative Spanish Prime Minster Mariano Rajoy said there had been no referendum because "the great majority of Catalans have decided not to participate."
There is nothing more American than declaring independence:
761 injured by Cruel Castille in Catalonia
Constitutional or no, the law (if it even applies to today's vote) is wrong
If they leave, they'll get more money, and the poorest areas of Spain would get even more depressed than they are today
No, that Catalonia has to comply with the Spanish Constitution, that of course the majority of Castilians will never change to allow Catalonia independence
Do you consider food a right? Do you consider clothing a right? Do you consider shelter a right?
that's just it, they won't "get" more money, they'll keep more money of their money. This is the same logic of the US right-wing with their current tax cut proposal.
1500: The Silver is only for Castellanos, Catalans. No Entrance to the New World For You! Silver Galleons may only stop in Castille.1850: Brother Catalans, let us share the debt for our collapsing New World Empire.
This is why there should be a concept of economic rights. If we lived according the conservative view of no taxes and no rights except your own labor, we'd have to get rid of all government and we'd be living like we did in the Stone Age with short, hard lives.
Actually, Castille discovery of the New world was benfitial for Catalonia as you can see by its historical developent. Fair or not, it was the right of Castille to claim it, since Isabel send her ships and not Fernando. And before 1714, Castille and Aragon/Catalonia union was on good terms and for mutual benefit (kill muslims, of course)
This is why democracy is (more or less) good.
And the real problem is how to decide what constitutes a country. As the Spanish/Catalan conflict shows, when you have opposite interests, there is no democratic way. Just good old fighting or pretense of.
There is, of course, a rational, peaceful, and effective solution. There should be a world-wide right to succession where any 10% or more of a population that wants to succeed from a country can do so taking a proportional amount of the country's land with them. This would require a legal framework and procedures for implementations, but that's a hell of lot easier than fighting civil wars. It would also force countries to not screw over their population. Imagine if the black population in America exercised such a right and took one eighth the land of the country. There mere possibility of this would end systemic state racism.
2008: EU recognizes the independence of KOSOVO, despite violent separatism, terrorism, and the referendum being illegal under Serbian Law.2018: EU refuses to recognize the independence of CATALONIA, despite lack of violent separatism & terrorism, using the excuse that the referendum was illegal under Spanish law
Yes, politics do not change since and morality shall not interfere with your own strategics interests. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you negotiate. Case by case. Since there is no enforcable supra-world law, states behave like tribes and use the law of the wist and the hand-shake and not the rule of the law. Hopefully this will change sometime
But allowing unilateral idepndence under the international law??