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So, Dems, what exactly are you hoping to get out of this in terms of gun control?


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2017 Oct 3, 10:52am   27,080 views  106 comments

by RWSGFY   ➕follow (4)   💰tip   ignore  

Realistically. (No loony shit, please.)

And what would you be willing to trade for it?

I have a proposal, but I'll hold on to it for now.

UPDATE: Please refrain from virtue signalling in this thread - we have plenty of that in other threads related to LV shooting already.

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1   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 3, 11:05am  

Although I find the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment to be ridiculous, I wouldn't be willing to trade anything for gun control. If that's the hill that conservatives want to die on, let them.
2   HEY YOU   2017 Oct 3, 11:17am  

joeyjojojunior says
If that's the hill that conservatives want to die on, let them.


The more the better as long as it's by gunfire.
3   MrMagic   2017 Oct 3, 2:21pm  

Notice all the known Libbies that have chimed into this thread haven't actually answered the question of the OP, so I'll sum up where they stand:

Guns are bad.... just because I was told they were.
6   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 3, 4:27pm  

me123 says
Notice all the known Libbies that have chimed into this thread haven't actually answered the question of the OP, so I'll sum up where they stand:

Guns are bad.... just because I was told they were


After the incident in Vegas, you're not sure why people think guns are bad?

How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?
8   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 3, 4:33pm  

Booger says


Great movie. He looked like a Trump supporter for most of the movie too.
11   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Oct 3, 4:37pm  

Nationwide 15 year sentence for felons in possession of guns. It's gonna be mostly blacks. Cry me a river.

Make room in the jails by continuing to secure borders.

Fail to see how any true conservative or liberal would oppose.
15   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 3, 4:44pm  

I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.
16   anonymous   2017 Oct 3, 5:21pm  

joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


You love it?

I find it rather pathetic. These people are borderline retarded.
17   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 3, 5:31pm  

joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


The #AltLeft doesn't get Memes because they're from the current era, not from when Captain Beefheart was in the Charts.

However: "Cops are brutal and racist... but we don't need guns 'cuz we have cops" contradiction doesn't require a meme to answer.
18   MrMagic   2017 Oct 3, 5:41pm  

joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


I love how the libbies are anti gun, but all they can do is make snide comments and can't actually articulate WHY they are anti gun.
19   FortWayne   2017 Oct 3, 5:53pm  

Why would he use a knife, even if guns were suddenly outlawed.

You do realize that no law can prevent this? Terrorists never run out of cars, explosives, etc...

joeyjojojunior says
me123 says
Notice all the known Libbies that have chimed into this thread haven't actually answered the question of the OP, so I'll sum up where they stand:

Guns are bad.... just because I was told they were


After the incident in Vegas, you're not sure why people think guns are bad?

How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?
20   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 3, 6:17pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
However: "Cops are brutal and racist... but we don't need guns 'cuz we have cops" contradiction doesn't require a meme to answer.


No kidding. This is my favorite--it appeals to the simple minded because they think they are clever.

Even the most cursory examination of this shows how ridiculous it is. Even assuming that liberals think cops are evil, the idea that an evil cop would back down when he sees someone with a gun is hilarious. A bad cop is excited to see someone with a gun--he has free reign to do whatever the hell he wants! A perp with a gun pretty much guarantees it will be viewed as a good shooting.

What I would prefer is making sure we get rid of the bad cops. I think that's preferable to the Wild West...
21   anonymous   2017 Oct 3, 6:39pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


The #AltLeft doesn't get Memes because they're from the current era, not from when Captain Beefheart was in the Charts.

However: "Cops are brutal and racist... but we don't need guns 'cuz we have cops" contradiction doesn't require a meme to answer.


This doesn’t make any sense. I had to google Captain Beefheart, turns out he was a decade before I was born. So he was from the time of the Simple Simon Boomers who Cuck for Trump on the interwebs, but you seemed to try and insult by association of #AltLeft, as if they are the lonely angry old has beens, that nobody gives a shit about.

Bizarro World
22   RWSGFY   2017 Oct 3, 6:46pm  

Fucking White Male says
Nationwide 15 year sentence for felons in possession of guns.


I believe this is a first answer to the subj question in the whole thread of 32 messages (and counting...)
24   anonymous   2017 Oct 3, 7:34pm  

jazz_music says
errc says
I had to google Captain Beefheart,


He never really charted anything either. His music was unhinged as what TwoScoopsMcGee says.


That’s funny I picture Thunderlips as wierd Al Yankumvitch now
25   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 3, 8:14pm  

Over 60% of firearms deaths in the US are suicides. I view suicide as a human right, at least for adults, so it bothers me little. Besides, Sweden, South Korea, France, Japan, etc. all have higher rates of suicide without access to firearms. Cultural.

So, of the approximately 11,000 (in 2015) of 30,000+ "Gun Deaths" that were homicides, just under 4400 were Whites of both sexes, yet 6300 were Blacks and more than 5700 were Black Males alone, with the vast majority of perpetrators also being Black. That's right, more than half of all homicides were Black.

This massive discrepancy that the AltLeft, who normally LOVES to discuss race, wishes to brush under the rug, Blacks are only 13% of the US population, and Black Males aged 18-34 are only 2.2% of the entire US population. Whites were over 75% - more than 3/4 - of the US Population. Yet Blacks were 57% of Firearm Homicides.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216
Source:CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf
Here is a comparison of the homicide rate, mostly from a source ("Gun Violence In...") inimical to Gun Freedom, the University of Sydney's Gun Project, which proudly announces they see it only as a health issue to be reduced.



If you took away 13% of the population that represents over 57% of homicides from the equation, I'd guesstimate conservatively that US would have a firearms homicide rate (based on the source-against-interest Sydney numbers above) just above Cyprus, below Argentina, and a point or so above Israel in firearms homicide. Factoring in that at least half of all US Households own firearms, with the highest firearms ownership rate in the world (a figure nobody disputes), a firearms homicide rate of about 1.8/100k would be pretty low.

Since firearms are the preferred murder weapon (roughly 2/3) in the USA, we'd have European-level homicide rates WHILE retaining the RKBA.

The Gun Banners should start by explaining how they intend to get a Firearms Ban to stick and work effectively, given the Drug War experience - never mind the politics about realistically repealing the 2nd Amendment.

A massively disproportionate chunk of the firearm homicide problem is concentrated in the same narrow population and geographic area that is devastated by drug use with the very stringent drug laws currently in play, and the immense incentives for law enforcement to concentrate on drug interdiction and prosecution. Chicago had more homicides than LA and NYC combined, both of which individually are larger in population size than Chicago.

Trivia: What big city mayor disbanded the Police Gang Unit in 2012?
26   anonymous   2017 Oct 3, 10:11pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
even though one of them is an avid critic of the Drug War who doesn't realize the same arguments - based on practical experience - would also apply to Guns.


errc eternally BTFO.
27   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 4, 5:02am  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
On this very board, those most critical of the police are also the ones most in favor of Gun Control, even though one of them is an avid critic of the Drug War who doesn't realize the same arguments - based on practical experience - would also apply to Guns. Pointing out those who put forward the PoPo as the alternative to firearms possession as the primary means of defense are the same people who are the most critical of the Police is a valid contradiction to point out. It's no different than pointing out that Feminists are the least attracted to the kind of sweetie-poo, deferential men they otherwise promote as the new preferred Man


As I already have pointed out, there's no contradiction in wanting to reform police tactics and rid the force of bad cops AND wanting to reduce the number of firearms designed solely to maximize damage when in use.

I'd ask you like I've asked all the pro-gun folks on here. The 2nd Amendment talks about "arms". That seemingly includes any and all weaponry. Do you believe citizens have the right to own nuclear weapons? Missiles? Tanks? Surely, you see that a line must be drawn somewhere--it's just a matter of where.
28   anonymous   2017 Oct 4, 5:23am  

Factoring in that at least half of all US Households own firearms, with the highest firearms ownership rate in the world (a figure nobody disputes), a firearms homicide rate of about 1.8/100k would be pretty low.

——————

Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?
29   komputodo   2017 Oct 4, 6:54am  

joeyjojojunior says
How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?

Or a fertilizer bomb. Or a vehicle.
30   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Oct 4, 7:24am  

errc says
Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?

When I read it, I thought that he was suggesting that Black people aren't Americans.
31   anonymous   2017 Oct 4, 7:41am  

me123 says
errc says
Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?


What are YOU suggesting? You've been asked that question multiple times and ran away.


I was asking a question.

I think it’s long time I reciprocate in kind with you, so I’ll answer the proportionate amount of your questions as you do mine.

Me 1
CiC 0
32   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 4, 9:07am  

me123 says
When the 2nd was signed into law, what type of weapons did law enforcement have and what type of weapons did the citizens have?

Do you think the balance of what law enforcement has now is equal to the citizens?


Great--so you think citizens should only have the right to own muskets then?
33   Shaman   2017 Oct 4, 11:00am  

I think we're all just a little tired of the Leftist dictator types swooping in for gun ban advocacy whenever a national tragedy occurs.
Tim McVeigh still holds the record for mass slaying and he used a truckload of chicken shit to do it.
34   RWSGFY   2017 Oct 4, 11:05am  

57 messages and still no "wish list". Sigh.
35   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 4, 1:07pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
This despite mass immigration, much of it from countries in Central America with far higher homicide rates.


So, as long as we're not as bad as some of the Central American shitholes, you're fine with it?
36   bob2356   2017 Oct 4, 1:23pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says


Also, for most of the past 25 years, US firearms ownership has dramatically increased while firearms homicides have decreased.


From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to be seen here.

37   RWSGFY   2017 Oct 4, 1:39pm  

jazz_music says
KimJongUn says
57 messages and still no "wish list". Sigh.


Then that is what they are hoping to get out of this, nothing really. That is an answer.

Actually I gave suggestions and one other commenter gave an answer


Where? All I saw from you is unfocused VS ramblings. And I've acknowledged the only answer I've got earlier in the thread. But I suspect the guy isn't really a Dem....

jazz_music says
but these aren't the flawed arguments you were hoping for.

Thread wasn't much fun for you was it?


It actually turned out much more fun than I hoped for.
38   Shaman   2017 Oct 4, 3:18pm  

bob2356 says
From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to


Sure, I can explain it very neatly. Roe v. Wade in the 70s resulted in mass infanticide of black unborn babies over the concurrent years. The last black generation unaffected by this holocaust matured to young adulthood in the early 90s. After then, a large number of "missing" black youth weren't around to commit a disproportionate number of gun homicides.
39   bob2356   2017 Oct 4, 5:37pm  

Quigley says
bob2356 says
From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to


Sure, I can explain it very neatly. Roe v. Wade in the 70s resulted in mass infanticide of black unborn babies over the concurrent years. The last black generation unaffected by this holocaust matured to young adulthood in the early 90s. After then, a large number of "missing" black youth weren't around to commit a disproportionate number of gun homicides.


If you want to sit at the table with the adults then you have to pay better attention. This has zero to do the the claim that ever increasing numbers of guns results in ever decreasing gun homicides.
40   bob2356   2017 Oct 4, 5:39pm  

me123 says
bob2356 says
Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%.


Do you know the difference between up and down(decreased)?


Yep perfectly. I'm not going to try to explain such a simple concept to you though. You have zero math or numbers skills as proven many, many times. .

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