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So, Dems, what exactly are you hoping to get out of this in terms of gun control?

By Hassan_Rouhani following x   2017 Oct 3, 10:52am 7,720 views   126 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Realistically. (No loony shit, please.)

And what would you be willing to trade for it?

I have a proposal, but I'll hold on to it for now.

UPDATE: Please refrain from virtue signalling in this thread - we have plenty of that in other threads related to LV shooting already.

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1   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 3, 11:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Although I find the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment to be ridiculous, I wouldn't be willing to trade anything for gun control. If that's the hill that conservatives want to die on, let them.
2   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2017 Oct 3, 11:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The 2nd Amendment clearly states that everyone packing belt-fed ordnance everywhere is not only a birthright but an obligation of every white man.

Had every white male at that concert observed the original intent of the 2nd Amendment as imagined and endorsed by the Founding Fathers and Jesus, the 32nd floor of the attackers hotel would have been vaporized after he got off the first shot.
3   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Oct 3, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

joeyjojojunior says
If that's the hill that conservatives want to die on, let them.


The more the better as long as it's by gunfire.
4   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 12:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I admit to having 4 guns, and ammo in preparation for home invasion or loss of society.

Also a nice CO2 BB hand gun for varmint suppression.

I'm fighting the urge to buy a fully automatic kit before they take them off the market They aren't expensive at all.

What should society do? I dunno. I don't want to be the one to say. How about free access to compassionate mental health care? It's not surprising that so many people freak out given our lives. Maybe stiffer requirements on buyers to acquire guns?
5   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 12:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I will vote against Democrats if given a better choice but the way things are rest assured that I can discern the difference between an imperfect friend and a mortal enemy.

I even volunteered for Ross Perot even though I didn't agree with all his proposed policies.

The Republican party/Koch brothers AGENDA must be defeated. The agenda is indecent, oppressive to all and despicable as well. Many rich families want to be taxed at a higher rate to avoid further destroying high quality of life in America and poisoning the land, air, and seas.

To this day I am ashamed of falling for Reagan's pitch the first time.
6   Sniper   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 3, 2:21pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Notice all the known Libbies that have chimed into this thread haven't actually answered the question of the OP, so I'll sum up where they stand:

Guns are bad.... just because I was told they were.
9   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 3, 4:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
Notice all the known Libbies that have chimed into this thread haven't actually answered the question of the OP, so I'll sum up where they stand:

Guns are bad.... just because I was told they were


After the incident in Vegas, you're not sure why people think guns are bad?

How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?
11   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 3, 4:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Booger says


Great movie. He looked like a Trump supporter for most of the movie too.
14   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 3, 4:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Nationwide 15 year sentence for felons in possession of guns. It's gonna be mostly blacks. Cry me a river.

Make room in the jails by continuing to secure borders.

Fail to see how any true conservative or liberal would oppose.
18   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 3, 4:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 3, 5:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


You love it?

I find it rather pathetic. These people are borderline retarded.
20   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 5:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


The #AltLeft doesn't get Memes because they're from the current era, not from when Captain Beefheart was in the Charts.

However: "Cops are brutal and racist... but we don't need guns 'cuz we have cops" contradiction doesn't require a meme to answer.
21   Sniper   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 3, 5:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


I love how the libbies are anti gun, but all they can do is make snide comments and can't actually articulate WHY they are anti gun.
22   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 5:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Why would he use a knife, even if guns were suddenly outlawed.

You do realize that no law can prevent this? Terrorists never run out of cars, explosives, etc...

joeyjojojunior says
me123 says
Notice all the known Libbies that have chimed into this thread haven't actually answered the question of the OP, so I'll sum up where they stand:

Guns are bad.... just because I was told they were


After the incident in Vegas, you're not sure why people think guns are bad?

How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?
23   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 3, 6:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
However: "Cops are brutal and racist... but we don't need guns 'cuz we have cops" contradiction doesn't require a meme to answer.


No kidding. This is my favorite--it appeals to the simple minded because they think they are clever.

Even the most cursory examination of this shows how ridiculous it is. Even assuming that liberals think cops are evil, the idea that an evil cop would back down when he sees someone with a gun is hilarious. A bad cop is excited to see someone with a gun--he has free reign to do whatever the hell he wants! A perp with a gun pretty much guarantees it will be viewed as a good shooting.

What I would prefer is making sure we get rid of the bad cops. I think that's preferable to the Wild West...
24   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 3, 6:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
joeyjojojunior says
I love that Trumpcucks can't have a conversation. All they understand is memes.


The #AltLeft doesn't get Memes because they're from the current era, not from when Captain Beefheart was in the Charts.

However: "Cops are brutal and racist... but we don't need guns 'cuz we have cops" contradiction doesn't require a meme to answer.


This doesn’t make any sense. I had to google Captain Beefheart, turns out he was a decade before I was born. So he was from the time of the Simple Simon Boomers who Cuck for Trump on the interwebs, but you seemed to try and insult by association of #AltLeft, as if they are the lonely angry old has beens, that nobody gives a shit about.

Bizarro World
25   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 6:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Fucking White Male says
Nationwide 15 year sentence for felons in possession of guns.


I believe this is a first answer to the subj question in the whole thread of 32 messages (and counting...)
27   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 7:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
I had to google Captain Beefheart,


He never really charted anything either. His music was unhinged as what TwoScoopsMcGee says.
28   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 3, 7:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
errc says
I had to google Captain Beefheart,


He never really charted anything either. His music was unhinged as what TwoScoopsMcGee says.


That’s funny I picture Thunderlips as wierd Al Yankumvitch now
29   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 3, 8:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Over 60% of firearms deaths in the US are suicides. I view suicide as a human right, at least for adults, so it bothers me little. Besides, Sweden, South Korea, France, Japan, etc. all have higher rates of suicide without access to firearms. Cultural.

So, of the approximately 11,000 (in 2015) of 30,000+ "Gun Deaths" that were homicides, just under 4400 were Whites of both sexes, yet 6300 were Blacks and more than 5700 were Black Males alone, with the vast majority of perpetrators also being Black. That's right, more than half of all homicides were Black.

This massive discrepancy that the AltLeft, who normally LOVES to discuss race, wishes to brush under the rug, Blacks are only 13% of the US population, and Black Males aged 18-34 are only 2.2% of the entire US population. Whites were over 75% - more than 3/4 - of the US Population. Yet Blacks were 57% of Firearm Homicides.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216
Source:CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf
Here is a comparison of the homicide rate, mostly from a source ("Gun Violence In...") inimical to Gun Freedom, the University of Sydney's Gun Project, which proudly announces they see it only as a health issue to be reduced.



If you took away 13% of the population that represents over 57% of homicides from the equation, I'd guesstimate conservatively that US would have a firearms homicide rate (based on the source-against-interest Sydney numbers above) just above Cyprus, below Argentina, and a point or so above Israel in firearms homicide. Factoring in that at least half of all US Households own firearms, with the highest firearms ownership rate in the world (a figure nobody disputes), a firearms homicide rate of about 1.8/100k would be pretty low.

Since firearms are the preferred murder weapon (roughly 2/3) in the USA, we'd have European-level homicide rates WHILE retaining the RKBA.

The Gun Banners should start by explaining how they intend to get a Firearms Ban to stick and work effectively, given the Drug War experience - never mind the politics about realistically repealing the 2nd Amendment.

A massively disproportionate chunk of the firearm homicide problem is concentrated in the same narrow population and geographic area that is devastated by drug use with the very stringent drug laws currently in play, and the immense incentives for law enforcement to concentrate on drug interdiction and prosecution. Chicago had more homicides than LA and NYC combined, both of which individually are larger in population size than Chicago.

Trivia: What big city mayor disbanded the Police Gang Unit in 2012?
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 3, 10:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
even though one of them is an avid critic of the Drug War who doesn't realize the same arguments - based on practical experience - would also apply to Guns.


errc eternally BTFO.
31   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 5:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
On this very board, those most critical of the police are also the ones most in favor of Gun Control, even though one of them is an avid critic of the Drug War who doesn't realize the same arguments - based on practical experience - would also apply to Guns. Pointing out those who put forward the PoPo as the alternative to firearms possession as the primary means of defense are the same people who are the most critical of the Police is a valid contradiction to point out. It's no different than pointing out that Feminists are the least attracted to the kind of sweetie-poo, deferential men they otherwise promote as the new preferred Man


As I already have pointed out, there's no contradiction in wanting to reform police tactics and rid the force of bad cops AND wanting to reduce the number of firearms designed solely to maximize damage when in use.

I'd ask you like I've asked all the pro-gun folks on here. The 2nd Amendment talks about "arms". That seemingly includes any and all weaponry. Do you believe citizens have the right to own nuclear weapons? Missiles? Tanks? Surely, you see that a line must be drawn somewhere--it's just a matter of where.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 4, 5:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Factoring in that at least half of all US Households own firearms, with the highest firearms ownership rate in the world (a figure nobody disputes), a firearms homicide rate of about 1.8/100k would be pretty low.

——————

Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?
33   komputodo   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 4, 6:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

joeyjojojunior says
How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?

Or a fertilizer bomb. Or a vehicle.
34   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 7:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?

When I read it, I thought that he was suggesting that Black people aren't Americans.
35   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 4, 7:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
errc says
Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?


What are YOU suggesting? You've been asked that question multiple times and ran away.


I was asking a question.

I think it’s long time I reciprocate in kind with you, so I’ll answer the proportionate amount of your questions as you do mine.

Me 1
CiC 0
36   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 9:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
When the 2nd was signed into law, what type of weapons did law enforcement have and what type of weapons did the citizens have?

Do you think the balance of what law enforcement has now is equal to the citizens?


Great--so you think citizens should only have the right to own muskets then?
37   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 4, 11:00am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I think we're all just a little tired of the Leftist dictator types swooping in for gun ban advocacy whenever a national tragedy occurs.
Tim McVeigh still holds the record for mass slaying and he used a truckload of chicken shit to do it.
38   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 11:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

57 messages and still no "wish list". Sigh.
39   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 12:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

KimJongUn says
57 messages and still no "wish list". Sigh.


Then that is what they are hoping to get out of this, nothing really. That is an answer.

Actually I gave suggestions and one other commenter gave an answer but these aren't the flawed arguments you were hoping for.

Thread wasn't much fun for you was it?
40   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
This despite mass immigration, much of it from countries in Central America with far higher homicide rates.


So, as long as we're not as bad as some of the Central American shitholes, you're fine with it?

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