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So, Dems, what exactly are you hoping to get out of this in terms of gun control?

By KimJongUn following x   2017 Oct 3, 10:52am 2,853 views   176 comments   watch   quote     share  


Realistically. (No loony shit, please.)

And what would you be willing to trade for it?

I have a proposal, but I'll hold on to it for now.

UPDATE: Please refrain from virtue signalling in this thread - we have plenty of that in other threads related to LV shooting already.

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121 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 8, 8:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

There is NO link between the increasing prevalence of firearms and the decreasing homicide rate.


Then why did you claim there was a link for so long? I was beginning to think you were the poster boy for the failings of the american educational system. Can you let ironman know this now?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Bob, do you want more gun restrictions?


No I don't want more gun restrictions. Depending on what you define as restriction. But I don't want this bullshit about increasing numbers of guns reducing the murder rate used as a wedge for the NRA to destroy any type of rational rules about gun ownership. Look at Wisconsin. They proposed carry with the stipulation of needing to take a class. The NRA (aka the gun manufacturers) went apeshit and carpet bombed the state with a blitz of propaganda about how having to take a class was dismantling the second amendment. Absurd.

What I do want is to track guns. Strawmen buyers are providing criminals with the majority of their guns. They should be in jail as should the legit gun owner who sold a gun to them no questions asked. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html You and ironman can look up many more articles and studies that say the same thing. There is this really cool new program called google.com. Check it out. Just type where do criminals get their guns and lots of stuff to read comes up. Really it's true.
123 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 9:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

My house is gun free as well, and I guarantee if one of you sissy fucking Betas came around here looking for shit, you’d get tossed out on your ass with a mouthful. That sign is dumb.
124 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 10:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

When I asked TwoScoopsMcGee who on this board is advocating for a gun ban, this is how he answered:

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Is Socrates disingenuous?


TwoScoopsMcGee says
I'm arguing that more guns clearly, mathematically, and undeniably, don't equate to more murder.

Re-read the OP. What's the point of this thread again? Do you think I might be trying to get somebody to respond to the OP question?

It ain't all about you, Iwog.


However in a day or two, he will once again lie and claim Democrats are trying to ban guns. This is brain damage. This is the denial of reality that makes people like him unqualified to vote.
125 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 11, 10:55am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
However in a day or two, he will once again lie and claim Democrats are trying to ban guns.


So you're trying to tell us that the Dems have never tried to ban guns (or related accessories).

Is that the hill you're going to die on?
126 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 11:46am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says
However in a day or two, he will once again lie and claim Democrats are trying to ban guns. This is brain damage. This is the denial of reality that makes people like him unqualified to vote.

Why wait a day or two? I'll do it right now.

The Democratic 2016 Presidential Candidate failed to get the message. Indeed, she attacked her nomination opponent for not support Gun Bans enough:




And here's the Dems' rising star Senator:


How about the 2016 Dem platform?
"To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf (Page 39)
When the Assault Rifle ban expired, did the homicide rate go up or down?

But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.
127 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 11, 11:49am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

If all of us and our wives were sitting in our parlors and kitchens with a can of Jack Daniels behind M134 through the night and into the dawn, crime would disappear overnight.

The only things that separate us from perfect tranquility is belt-fed ordnance and the will to be fucking fatal at all times, for any reason or no reason, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded.
128 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.


Yes, God forbid that a hunter can't go out and kill a deer with an assault rifle. Just how the Founding Fathers intended.
129 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 11, 12:04pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The Founding Fathers demanded we take out deer and tyrannical advocates of flu vaccines with RPGs and tactical nukes.

Everyone knows that.
130 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 11, 2:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says
with an assault rifle.


@joeyjojojunior

What exactly is a "assault rifle"? Can you explain what it is for me?
131 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 2:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.


I find it fascinating that you are so unbelievably lacking in any sort of self-awareness that you can merrily skip from "BAN GUNS!" to "BAN ASSAULT RIFLES!" and back to "BAN GUNS!" without the slightest acknowledgement that they are radically different solutions.

You failed as you always do. You failed to support your point and substituted a different point and hoped no one noticed. Do you want to talk about how people want to ban guns or do you want to talk about how people want to ban assault rifles? Neither. You want to dishonestly lie, same as CBOE dishonestly lies, same as piggy lies, same as Goran lies, and talk about both simultaneously and neither simultaneously. How pathetic.

Explain to me why nearly everyone on the right participating in this forum have such dismal ethical standards? Symptoms of a disease no?
132 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 2:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

me123 says
What exactly is a "assault rifle"? Can you explain what it is for me?


There is no set definition per se. Congress defined it in the 1994 ban as this:



Others have other definitions such as this:

"The technical definition of an assault rifle consists of four requirements:
1 It is a shoulder mounted weapon
2. It is magazine fed.
3. It is intermediate power.
4. It is selective fire."

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-definition-of-assault-rifle
133 jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 3:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I never owned a rifle until a couple years ago. I shot other people's rifles, better than mine too. I always had an ACP or two for home protection and fun plinking on rare occasion. Probably a 38 revolver would have been a more optimal choice. --so simple! My brother always had more guns and I would sometimes tag along with him.

I got a really cheap AR-15 new at a gun show from a dealer who assembles parts and sells. Extra magazines, padded stock, lanyard for carrying hands-free, iron sites and red dot site. I nice canvas bag to hold most of the stuff and a cleaning kit. I returned the high-powered scope I bought because someone convinced me that my barrel is not that good so it makes no sense.

It seems like a lot of crap but it was very cost effective. I could even go and buy a better barrel for it if the standard one proves to be too bad. I think AR-15's are cool: All this modular design makes it versatile, easy to clean, lubricate and upgrade. As a toy I have thought of getting the bump-stock but I don't really care to have such a "bullet-wasting testosterone demonstration unit." --bang bang wahoo, fuck all that, there's more important things to do.

Only problem is I just assembled, cleaned and lubricated the whole thing and there it sits. Never been shot. I just don't care about guns that much to go out and bang bang wahoo! --I realize that I should get acquainted with the weapon anyways and make adjustments, and then clean and lube again.

If we lose civil society after the next black swan event or tax cut, I am more or less all set to ward off home invaders, maybe shoot animals for dinner, but I would have to learn how to strip down a carcass, I know my wife isn't going to touch that kind of work, so I better go get a better hunting knife too just in case. --more crap I don't really want.

A neighbor came into my place looking for his girlfriend, then kneeled down and shot himself in the head with a 357 magnum revolver in front of everybody one time 35 years ago.

Just sayin'

Yeah, fear of restrictive laws influenced my decision to buy the AR-15.

Fear fear fear, welcome to America!
134 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 6:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
How about the 2016 Dem platform?
"To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf (Page 39)
When the Assault Rifle ban expired, did the homicide rate go up or down?

But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.


Waw, waw, waw. Those bad democrats want to ban ar-15's and ak-47's. That's awful. They are such great hunting rifles. Plus, how can I hunt deer without a 30 round clip and bump stock? Dont' forget a silencer, wouldn't want hearing damage.

It's good that you recognize you are a brain damaged liar. Admitting to a problem is the first step to a cure.
135 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 11, 6:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says
me123 says
What exactly is a "assault rifle"? Can you explain what it is for me?


There is no set definition per se.


Then how are you going to ban them if you can't have a set definition?
136 anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 11, 6:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The same way they were banned in the past. You make a definition when you write the law.
137 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 11, 7:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says
"The technical definition of an assault rifle consists of four requirements:
1 It is a shoulder mounted weapon
2. It is magazine fed.
3. It is intermediate power.
4. It is selective fire."

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-definition-of-assault-rifle


Which no Joe 6 Pack can actually legally buy in that configuration.

Why did you leave this portion of the link out?

...."And Selective fire means that it can be switched from semiautomatic to either full auto or burst fire. In either case, the weapon fires more than one shot with each pull of the trigger and is therefore classified as a machine-gun.

As an aside, an”assault weapon” is a phrase made up by the anti-gun crowd to confuse the issue of what a weapon actually is. There is no fixed definition and it means whatever the governing body wants it to mean. In many cases, they look at things like a flash hider or pistol grip stock or even a collapsable stock as their definition."


You don't even lie well, I hope your trolling company doesn't pay you for today.
138 anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 11, 8:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

There are intelligent right wingers out there. .But they are mighty dishonest too, if they thought Trump was a safer bet than Clinton.
139 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

me123 says

As an aside, an”assault weapon” is a phrase made up by the anti-gun crowd to confuse the issue of what a weapon actually is.


Pretty amazing that the federal government was able to have an assault weapon ban when cic says there isn't any assault weapons. How did they do that?
140 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 11, 10:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
me123 says

As an aside, an”assault weapon” is a phrase made up by the anti-gun crowd to confuse the issue of what a weapon actually is.


Pretty amazing that the federal government was able to have an assault weapon ban when cic says there isn't any assault weapons. How did they do that?


and did you see the YYUUGGEE number of decreased homicides because of it. Worked well, didn't it?

Oh wait, it didn't,

..."Research by John Lott found no impact of these bans on violent crime rates,[33] but provided evidence that the bans may have reduced the number of gun shows by over 20 percent.
141 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 5:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

me123 says
bob2356 says
me123 says

As an aside, an”assault weapon” is a phrase made up by the anti-gun crowd to confuse the issue of what a weapon actually is.


Pretty amazing that the federal government was able to have an assault weapon ban when cic says there isn't any assault weapons. How did they do that?


and did you see the YYUUGGEE number of decreased homicides because of it. Worked well, didn't it?


So now you are saying there is such a thing as an assault weapon. First there isn't now there is.
142 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 12, 8:05am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
So now you are saying there is such a thing as an assault weapon. First there isn't now there is.


There always was, actually, there are many. Here's just one example:

145 Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 24, 10:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

To OP ... seems very clear what the majority of the population is asking for:
http://news.gallup.com/poll/220637/americans-widely-support-tighter-regulations-gun-sales.aspx
148 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 10:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

It's pretty simple zzyyxx:

Dems want to close the loopholes by which such shooters can very easily obtain guns.
149 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Nov 6, 10:50am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Open carry should be mandatory for everyone over the age of 3 or younger if the CITIZEN! can lift M134.
150 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 11:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Rew says
To OP ... seems very clear what the majority of the population is asking for:
http://news.gallup.com/poll/220637/americans-widely-support-tighter-regulations-gun-sales.aspx


Finally a semblance of a wishlist.

Now, to the second part: what are you going to offer in return? How about national shall-issue CCW permits in exchange for #1 on the list?
152 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 12:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
So tell us, Joey the TROLL, where did this guy buy his evil "assault weapon"?


Again with the emotion. You guys just can't make an argument without it, huh?

But, it looks like Mr. Kelley got his gun from a local sporting goods store.
153 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 6, 12:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says
Sniper says
So tell us, Joey the TROLL, where did this guy buy his evil "assault weapon"?


Again with the emotion. You guys just can't make an argument without it, huh?

But, it looks like Mr. Kelley got his gun from a local sporting goods store.


Looks like that destroys your "loophole" narrative, doesn't it?
154 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 12:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says


Looks like that destroys your "loophole" narrative, doesn't it?


Not really. Obviously the background check didn't work. Let's fix it.
155 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 6, 1:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says
Sniper says


Looks like that destroys your "loophole" narrative, doesn't it?


Not really. Obviously the background check didn't work. Let's fix it.


With what, MORE gun laws?

You do know that criminals don't give a shit about CURRENT laws right? That's why we need MORE laws? Did I get that right?
156 anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 1:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says

With what, MORE gun laws?

You do know that criminals don't give a shit about CURRENT laws right? That's why we need MORE laws? Did I get that right?


Ah, the same tired old argument. So, by that logic we should get rid of all laws then, right? Murderers and rapists obviously didn't care about the laws so let's get rid of them.
157 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 6, 1:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_8f378 says
Sniper says

With what, MORE gun laws?

You do know that criminals don't give a shit about CURRENT laws right? That's why we need MORE laws? Did I get that right?


Ah, the same tired old argument. So, by that logic we should get rid of all laws then, right? Murderers and rapists obviously didn't care about the laws so let's get rid of them.


How about enforcing EXISTING laws? Who controls the background check process?

What NEW law do you propose would have stopped him from buying?
158 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 6, 5:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
How about enforcing EXISTING laws? Who controls the background check process?

What NEW law do you propose would have stopped him from buying?


Bueller?

Bueller?
159 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 6, 6:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

All these mass shootings are keeping me entertained.
Maybe we will have another one soon because killing is what man's really good at.

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