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The bottom line, bobby, is that your whole narrative of "more guns = more homicides" is just crap. Your own charts prove it. Unfortunately, you want to play semantics with percentages, but sadly, it doesn't change the big false narrative.
What I'm in favor of is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
The people pipe lining guns to criminals should be in jail.
What semantics? Gun homicides have gone down 5.5% in 20 years while ownership has gone up 40%.
Unfortunately, you want to play semantics with percentages, but sadly, it doesn't change the big false narrative.
From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to be seen here.
Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person.
So: ~ 25-30% Larger Population, more Guns per capita, yet the Homicide Rate - AND the Firearm Homicide Rate - got cut just about in half.
TwoScoopsMcGee saysSo: ~ 25-30% Larger Population, more Guns per capita, yet the Homicide Rate - AND the Firearm Homicide Rate - got cut just about in half.Ya know, you're really going to make bobby and dan cry (or go all out on personal attack and call you a liar).
The population size is irrelevant to the per capita rate dumbasses.
Well look at that. The murder rate tripled while the number of guns was going up up up 1960 to 1993. But but but how can that be? The murder rate only goes down when the number of guns goes up. I will be waiting for an explanation from our 2 resident math geniuses on this. Not that anyone will ever see it.
Why was the magic year 1993 chosen by the wingnut/gun nut crowd I wonder? Let's look at a little bigger time frame say 1960 on.
bob2356 saysThe population size is irrelevant to the per capita rate dumbasses.hahahahahah.Not only did the population increase, the guns per capita in private hands increased as well. The Gun Ownership by household contradicts manufacturer reported arms sales. However, there are more divorced female households today than before, that generally don't have firearms like married people that used to be far more common.
Gun Ownership began exploding in the 80s in reaction the Baby-Boomer crime wave. Since the early 90s, the homicide rate has been tanking while the number of civilian firearms sold continues to grow. Starting in the 90s, concealed firearms laws expanded, by the end of the 90s, the Assault Weapons Ban expired and was not renewed. In the late 2000s gun sales hit all-time records, there was even a .22LR shortage not long ago. There's absolutely no doubt that the US has the most civilian firearms in the World, and that guns per capita has expanded over the past 40 years, and much of it over the past 25 years as gun laws become more permissive and SCOTUS trims excessive anti-2A laws, like in DC. And yet, our homicide is half of what it was 25 years ago.We're #1 in the world by far for firearms ownership but nowhere near #1 in homicide.
bob2356 saysWhy was the magic year 1993 chosen by the wingnut/gun nut crowd I wonder? Let's look at a little bigger time frame say 1960 on.Why isn't the magic years of the 2000s chosen by gun control advocates? Is it because guns became even more plentiful, Concealed Carry laws even more permissive and widespread, yet homicides collapsed?
The Gun Ownership by household contradicts manufacturer reported arms sales.
From 1993 to 2015 murder rates dropped by 50%. In your pink sky world that represent a correlation between gun ownership rates and murder rates.
The only gun control I want is tracking of exactly were guns go from legal owner to a criminal. Then put the person who sold a gun to a criminal in jail.
How's that Homicide Rate doin' in comparison? In must be exploding with all these arms sales.
please post the chart that shows how many legal gun owners are selling their guns to criminals.
You are correct. Homicide rate exploded with all the arms sales 1970 to 1993. Gun sales go up, murders go up. Then gun sales go up, murders go down.
me123 saysplease post the chart that shows how many legal gun owners are selling their guns to criminals.Been posted time and time again. Been proven time and time again.
bob2356 saysYou are correct. Homicide rate exploded with all the arms sales 1970 to 1993. Gun sales go up, murders go up. Then gun sales go up, murders go down.Oh bobby, so sad. Here's a hint, gun sales go up EVERY year and that adds to the cumulative total owned, which means more total available, and many of the past years have seen record additional sales annually. THE number of actual people killed annually has gone DOWN. What don't you understand about that data?
but prove me wrong by reposting it.
So sad. The number of actual people killed annually actually went UP for 25 years while gun sales went up EVERY year before the number of people killed annually started going down. What don't you understand about that data?
You are correct. Homicide rate exploded with all the arms sales 1970 to 1993
Notice no Leftie has dared offer an opinion on HOW to effectively ban firearms
You have a chart for that? I don't. Only since 1986. Gun sale growth went up in the last few years of the homicide rate increase; the homicide rate nationally began increasing in the late 1960s.
Give it up, there is no way to support this turkey.
Who is advocating banning firearms here? Do you have any fucking idea how stupid it is going after people who own firearms and falsely attributing to them a desire to ban guns??
Are you the only one here, Iwog? Are there no other posters besides you in this thread? Who was last being addressed by the last few posts?
Don't be disingenuous by answering my question with a question. I asked you straight out and it DIRECTLY addresses your bullshit straw man. Answer it:
WHO HERE IS ADVOCATING BANNING FIREARMS??? Who the fuck are you arguing with that wants guns BANNED??
Who is advocating banning firearms here?
me123 saysplease post the chart that shows how many legal gun owners are selling their guns to criminals.
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