Bogus stoned driving arrests.
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1   RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 12:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Everybody knew this would be an issue, should have been a good way to test before legalization.
2   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 5, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Wow that’s fucked.

Is there any evidence that having THC in your bloodstream equates to Impaired Driving?

We all understand DUI wrt alcohol consumption. It makes sense. You drink alcohol, you’re intoxicated, it impairs your ability to drive. Lock um up and throw away the key, for knowingly putting everyone you cross paths with in danger.

But what happens to a person who has consumed THC? How does THC consumption impair ones driving?

Your body fights like hell to purge the alcohol from your system, because it recognizes it for the poison that it is. However, the body clings to the THC like glue, and it stays in your system for 30-60 days, because your body knows it’s good.

I would think that there are many different things people consume that impair their driving far more than THC. Not to mention, distractions like a pet in the car, looking at ones phone, eating while driving, and especially Driving While Tired, are far more dangerous and impair ones ability to drive much more so than THC.

Where’s the scientific data on this?

That dumb ass cop was obviously wrong. Simple drug tests proved he was wrong.
3   RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 12:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Is there any evidence that having THC in your bloodstream equates to Impaired Driving?


Nope.

Edit: No way to tell if you just used it or are under its influence, could have used days or weeks prior and it would show up. So if there is anything in your system the cop is going to be able to get you just by saying what he thinks. This is going to end up just like any ticket, it's your word against his and we know how that works in the courts.
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (6)   2017 Oct 5, 12:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The appropriate response would be a slow speed chase then say you were scared why you didn't pull over, then have Nancy Pelosi and James Brown call the cop racist.
That's how you beat a wrap like Liberal Playah.
5   RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 12:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
I would think that there are many different things people consume that impair their driving far more than THC. Not to mention, distractions like a pet in the car, looking at ones phone, eating while driving, and especially Driving While Tired, are far more dangerous and impair ones ability to drive much more so than THC.


There are but this is easy pickings for the police. They can still get you for medications but I think there is a stigma in the court system with marijuana.
6   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 12:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
Is there any evidence that having THC in your bloodstream equates to Impaired Driving?

Anecdotal, but I drive differently when stoned. Definitely not the same as if I was sober. I'm an infrequent smoker though, so the effects are greater the 2-4 times a month I do it compared to a daily user that drives all the time doing it. I definitely would drive worse with 8 beers then having 10 solid rips from a bong.
errc says
We all understand DUI wrt alcohol consumption. It makes sense. You drink alcohol, you’re intoxicated, it impairs your ability to drive. Lock um up and throw away the key, for knowingly putting everyone you cross paths with in danger.

I have no problem locking up people for drunk driving. But it's very similar to weed. If you're an alcoholic and drive almost everyday (assuming you don't get a DUI), you build your tolerance and skill up driving in that state. It become the new "normal" and your responses and reaction times adjust to what others would consider normal driving.

I'm realistic though and know that 80% of people, even some that consider themselves moderate drinkers, are not good at driving with the booze. Alcohol is really bad in almost all driving situations. Weed on the other hand is the reverse. 80% of people will likely be fine with it and generally quantity consumed has no bearing on your motor skills. So you definitely don't have the 10 shot/beer/wine person getting behind the wheel.
7   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 5, 1:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

If you're an alcoholic and drive almost everyday (assuming you don't get a DUI), you build your tolerance and skill up driving in that state. It become the new "normal" and your responses and reaction times adjust to what others would consider normal driving.

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8   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 5, 1:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Alcoholics drive drunk every day, and only occasionally get caught. On the other hand, a soccer mom who had two glasses of wine at lunch could get cited for a DUI.

Some alkies actually DO drive better with a bit of booze on board, because they are not in acute withdrawal, but that is just comparatively, they are still impaired either way.

Mary Jane is a depressant, and depressants generally result in impairment at motor tasks, but I am sure that there are agencies beavering to demonstrate that fact soon enough, and will certainly be ticketing and fining drivers for such.
9   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 2:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
False

Ok. I think you do know this, but the literal definition of an alcoholic is rather minimal. We're talking 4-5 drinks/beers a day. So you think someone drinking 4-5 beers everyday for 5 years in row, by year 5 doesn't have a tolerance? Can't operate a car as if they're sober? I know plenty of people that check these boxes and never have gotten a DUI and I would have zero issue getting in a car with them after they've had 5 drinks.

As I said, for me, I do operate a vehicle differently when stoned. I would much rather operate a vehicle stoned then drunk though. While I may be appearing to be on the side of alcohol, I'm not. I'm just stating an opinion, that does have some personal anecdotal backing from my personal life that shows some people are just fine driving with alcohol.

Again, anecdotal, but pothead friends of mine that are bad drivers sober are even worse drivers high. This is the exact same when they're drinking. So a lot of this is ultimately bad drivers. And of course the effect of alcohol is ever increasing as it's consumed and at some point you physically can't even drive vs. weed not even remotely causing that. So again, on your side just pointing out some veteran drinkers would surprise you behind the wheel.
10   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 5, 3:20pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

It's all cool until you get into an accident, then there are sirens and police lights, smashed cars/property and broken bodies/dead.

Then, if you have any mind altering substance in your body that can be determined by testing, you are in for enhanced manslaughter and/or damages. At least if you are sober, you can claim circumstances and shift blame or claim you did the best you could in bad circumstances.

Everything is cool with drugs/alcohol until the consequences. Then, you see the users sobbing with remorse and repentance, mainly just feeling sorry for themselves at the injustice of the world toward them, no matter who their victims.

Until then, enjoy the magic carpet ride.
11   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 5:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ceffer says
Until then, enjoy the magic carpet ride.

I keep it clean now, but will be honest there's been times driving a vehicle that I've felt confident and made it to my destination with no issues where others wouldn't have (5-7 years ago). That includes alcohol, weed, mushrooms and acid. You should NEVER drive on the aforementioned products. It will never be studied likely, but certain segments of the population can handle alcohol and drugs differently.

I've seen women have two shots and their fucking flashing everyone 15 minutes later and then 15 minutes after that they're puking and crying. Then I've seen even women take down 10 mixed drinks/shots/beer in a night and it doesn't even appear they've had anything. There's the guys that will rip a bong and be out in 15 minutes. There's the guy that will consume more weed in 2 hours then most people consume in a year and act totally sober. There's a lot a play with these substances. They're all bad generally speaking from the perspective of operating a vehicle. But there are unicorns out there. It just doesn't phase them. Yes, if they get pulled over they'll still take the heat due to what's in their blood/breath. But most of these types don't end up pulled over.

I'm ultimately convinced if you have a clean record as a sober driver, you'll have similar success with substances in moderation and driving. Again, I would never let my kids hear or see me saying this, nor advocate anyone drink/smoke/inject and drive. Ultimately there are some really fucking bad drivers out there that are SOBER and cause death and destruction. It would never happen, but driving tests should be treated more like getting a private pilots license. You really have to be an uncoordinated, bumble fuck idiot, not to pass your driving test the first time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-than-4-in-10-people-fail-driving-test/
And there's your answer. Put 2 beers in 4 in 10 people, that shouldn't be driving anyway, and it's a cluster fuck. You're under the legal limit in almost any state with only two beers. So where is the problem? People are allowed to drive that should not have any business even being on the road sober. 4 in 10 to be exact.
12   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 8:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
If you're an alcoholic and drive almost everyday (assuming you don't get a DUI), you build your tolerance and skill up driving in that state. It become the new "normal" and your responses and reaction times adjust to what others would consider normal driving.

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False

@Patrick, sorry for all the tags tonight. But why the hell can't certain people quote? errc seems intelligent enough use the quote function and I feel like there have been some users that haven't been able to do it based on their posting. I vaguely recall this coming up over the last 12 months or so, but this seems weird. Makes the flow of reading comments difficult when it seems about 15-20% of active users aren't or can't quote other comments or posts. Probably should be in the node post, but I'm lazy.
13   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 8:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quoting probably doesn't work right on mobile devices and the ipad. They just don't work the same, and I haven't figured out how to make them do the right thing yet.
14   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 5, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Works fine on the iphone, quoting that is. I've done it before for sure. So it likely works on the ipad as well. It can be a bit testy highlighting the text, but I don't think that's a site issue. I sometimes have a nightmare of a fucking time highlighting text to copy and paste on an iphone, regardless of the site or app. Never used Andriod though, so not sure how it works on that platform.
15   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 5, 11:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Why would anybody expect symmetry from the so called justice system?

Youz takes your booze 'n drugs and youz takes your chances in the intoxication lottery.

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