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NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for national anthem

By Sniper following x   2017 Oct 10, 9:35am 2,695 views   116 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


The owners of the NFL are reportedly considering a rule change that would make it mandatory for players to stand during the national anthem.

A league spokesman said that the owners would discuss the potential change during a meeting next week, Dow Jones reported.

In recent seasons, primarily black professional football players have knelt during the national anthem to protest racial inequality in the United States. The protests started after former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick last year began kneeling during the anthem to protest police mistreatment of black Americans.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/10/nfl-owners-to-consider-rule-change-that-would-require-players-to-stand-for-national-anthem-report.html
Wait, how can the NFL do that, don't the players have "freedom of speech"??

.."Earlier Tuesday, President Donald Trump tweeted that tax laws should be changed so that the NFL doesn't get "massive tax breaks while at the same time disrespecting our Anthem, Flag and Country."

Ahhhh.... money (or lack of) talks where it counts!

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41   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 10, 7:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.
42   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 10, 7:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anonymous says

cultural marxism is way more preferrable to economic marxism


The end game of both is the same. Cultural Marxism will require economic Marxism to come to fruition
43   Sniper   ignore (10)   2017 Oct 10, 7:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


Another one who keeps spewing the same WRONG bullshit and ignores FACTS.

So tell us, how much will that Jemell chick win in court from ESPN?
44   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (26)   2017 Oct 10, 9:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

When the NATIONAL! ANTHEM! plays, REAL! AMERICA!ns grab their balls and shriek SIEG! HEIL! exactly as the Founding Fathers intended.
46   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 8:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.
47   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".


But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?
48   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.


Here in the States, im not sure where you’re tallying wins from that list, but maybe if I lived 1000+ miles away from America, and only saw this unfolding from afar on twitter etc., maybe then I’d get what you were going on about
49   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

justme says
Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.
50   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.
51   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

CBOEtrader says
justme says
Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.


The NFL doesn’t have any problem with it, it’s just the Special Snowflakes Trumpcucks whinging about Americans doing the most American of things : peacefully protesting the government brutally murdering its citizens.

Welcome to bizarro world
52   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.


Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting
53   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 8:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says
Do you even care about being consistent anymore?


Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.
54   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
joeyjojojunior says
But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says
Do you even care about being consistent anymore?


Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.


You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.

If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country
55   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 9:07am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.


I think the NFL players are brats to kneel.

I think the NFL owners/admins are full of PR Bullshit when they try to dodge taking on the Kneeling by using Freedom of Speech.

For the goddamn upteenth time, the NFL fines and suspends players for saying Dammit, making hand gestures, wearing Cancer Awareness Eyeblack, and basically runs their lives. But on this one issue all of a sudden the NFL is all about FREEDOMZ (tm)? Bullshit PR to dodge dealing with the issue, I say.

The only government action I thought would be necessary is pulling their tax-free, and taxpayer subsidized, largess. There STILL is no reason the NFL should be tax free even when they stand for the pledge going forward.

errc says
If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country


Errc, do you realize that it just happened? That the NFL just gave in to the fans after sharp drops in viewership? Hence the celebratory mood?

The Fans pressured the heavily Taxpayer Subsidized, Government Endorsed NFL and the wealthy Team Owners, to give up trying to kiss SJW ass - all using their Freedom of Choice.
56   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.


You didn't.. Free speech is the players being allowed to exercise their rights.
57   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOEtrader says
Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting


McGee. He's the special snowflake that has started thread after thread complaining because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.
58   Sniper   ignore (10)   2017 Oct 11, 7:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
Free speech is the player's being allowed to exercise their rights.


59   FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 8:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
So McGee--tell me again why it's bad for Google to "censor" it's employee and for YouTube to "censor" its videos, but it's good for the NFL monopoly to censor its employees?


Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization while on the clock.
60   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 8:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


Really? You're going to claim that every single Hollywood actor with an opinion just happens to have the exact same opinion as their studio employers and every other actor?

Every single newscaster has the exact same opinion about everything?

Or could it possibly be that they don't express their true opinions because toeing the company line is required of the job?
61   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 8:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Quigley says
Every single newscaster has the exact same opinion about everything?


The job of a newscaster or an actor IS to read the script placed in front of them.

It is not the job of NFL football players to participate in employer-mandated political ceremonies and express the political views of the owners. The same observation applies to almost any other job you can think of, except for, well, newscasters and actors.

Do you understand the difference?
62   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 8:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

me123 says

This is why NFL players are kneeling






Your argument (see original graph) is that it is ok for white people to kill unarmed black people, black people who were not a threat to anyone, because white people, on a per capita basis, kill fewer black people than black people do.

That's one of the most perverse interpretations of what constitutes justice that I have ever heard. It's like saying that we need not prosecute white people for killing black people because they white people have not filled their quota yet.

Can you grasp the sheer evil and stupidity of what you are saying? I doubt it, but give it a try.
63   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 4:06am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

me123 says
Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?


OR if they are concerned w police brutality, how about any of the incidents involving white people? Oh that's right, f poor white people cause they have "privilege". Let's ignore the most scientific study done on the topic showing cops are more likely to shoot whites than blacks https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.9f276a6462cf
AND lets ignore the fact that cops are now too scared to do their jobs properly in Chicago, thus allowing the murder rate of black men to skyrocket in Chicago. http://heyjackass.com/
Nah, fuck all the facts that could actually guide us to help people, and lets just boil it down to "fuck white people, cause racism."
64   rktbrkr   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 5:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

NFL = National Felons League
65   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 5:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

FortWayne says
Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization.


I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.

It should be illegal to fire someone for discussing company policies internally? Really?
66   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

rktbrkr says
NFL = National Felons League


Clever! I see what you did there.
67   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 8:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

me123 says
joeyjojojunior says
I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.


Not everyone here gets paid to troll like you do.


You mean you spend this much time and effort here for free? Wow--you are a real loser.
68   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

me123 says
The NFL assholes are protesting blacks being killed by white cops. That chart clearly shows that's the smallest number of homicides. If these players were REALLY SJW, they should be concerned with ALL homicides.

Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?


Black people who murder black people get prosecuted and convicted.
Police that murder black people are not being prosecuted and convicted.

THAT is the injustice that BLM and many others protest against. Are you going to pretend that you have not understood that, or are you really so dense that you have not understood that?
69   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 8:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

me123 says

Someone needs to try and educate you, but it's really a lost cause.


I'm the one getting paid. I think someone needs to educate you!
70   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 9:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

me123 says
I'm glad you've finally admitted why you TROLL all the time.


So why do you do it?
71   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 10:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

PCGyver says
Because if you did you forgot to mention that this study was done in HOUSTON.


This is pedantic idiocy. Are you unable to read the most basic summary yourself? I didn't only read the article, I read the actual study. Try doing some basic research rather than just read headlines and articles
72   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 10:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

me123 says
justme says
Black people who murder black people get prosecuted and convicted.


They do? Care to provide verifiable stats, or is just another one of your theories that you pulled out of your ass?
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How about you tell us how many of these have been prosecuted and convicted?



If the identity of the murderer is known, and there is a videotape of the murder, yeah, I'd say pretty much 100% of black-on-black murders are prosecuted.

This is just more dumbassery from you. Are you really trying to argue that solved police-on-black murder cases should not be prosecuted because that very same police is not able to solve enough black-on-black murder cases? I guess so. Par for the course. You just painted yourself into yet another corner.
74   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 17, 2:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
errc says
You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.


I think the NFL players are brats to kneel.

I think the NFL owners/admins are full of PR Bullshit when they try to dodge taking on the Kneeling by using Freedom of Speech.

For the goddamn upteenth time, the NFL fines and suspends players for saying Dammit, making hand gestures, wearing Cancer Awareness Eyeblack, and basically runs their lives. But on this one issue all of a sudden the NFL is all about FREEDOMZ (tm)? Bullshit PR to dodge dealing with the issue, I say.

The only government action I thought would be necessary is pulling their tax-free, and taxpayer subsidized, largess. There STILL is no reason the NFL should be tax free even when they stand for the pledge going forward.

errc s...


I thought you were wrong then, but forgot to come back and let you know, but after hearing today that THE NFL STILL HASNT MADE ANY RULE CHANGES WRT KNEELING DURING THE ANTHEM, I remembered to come and correct you on your #FakeNews (that got 3 likes lol)


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-anthem-policy-unchanged-after-lengthy-meeting-between-players-owners/
75   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 17, 4:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

It could have been red painted white and blue. Or blue painted red and white.
Unless you have proof...
joeyjojojunior says
because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.
76   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 17, 5:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
nobody should be compelled to stand for it


You're right. Those people are free to quit, and go play for another professional league.


Why would they do that when they can simply keep playing for the NFL, and peacefully protesting at the same time?

Seems like a win-win.

Tough for you Trumpcucks, because in your Anti-American attempt to disrespect our troops, our country, and our flag, you look like special snowflakes with egg on your face, and, once again, Total Failed Losers
77   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 17, 5:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
joeyjojojunior says
His approval ratings seem to differ with you.


Kinda like all those polls in the days before November 8th.

"How DARE you question 538?! He WILL lose!! Polls are accurate, it's science, just like 32 Genders!"


So post an accurate poll
78   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 18, 9:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"A win for me coming out of those meetings is that everyone's on the same page and trying to help the people in this country and use our game, which unites people from all different races, all different areas, all different levels of income, for one moment, for these games," Smith said to NBC Sports Philadelphia. "And there's no better platform than for us to work together and try to benefit our country.

"Our owners have the power to impact a lot of lives in terms of whether it's financially or their guidance. I feel like it's our duty. Obviously, we're playing ball but the fans that are cheering us on, the fans that are working in these stadiums, the fans that are working in these neighborhoods are affected by some of the things that we're fighting for.

"If anyone thinks it's not an issue for us to be involved in as athletes or the owners of the NFL, then you're looking at it dead wrong."


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-anthem-policy-unchanged-after-lengthy-meeting-between-players-owners/
79   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 18, 9:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Why is the NFL getting massive tax breaks while at the same time disrespecting our Anthem, Flag and Country? Change tax law!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2017



So many amazing tweets today. He knows he won this. Jerry Jones tried to split the difference but the public wasn't fooled, so now he's requiring them to stand.


Can you show proof of this?

Or would you prefer to call it #FakeNews, and retract it?

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