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NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for national anthem

By me123 following x   2017 Oct 10, 9:35am 822 views   96 comments   watch   quote     share  

The owners of the NFL are reportedly considering a rule change that would make it mandatory for players to stand during the national anthem.

A league spokesman said that the owners would discuss the potential change during a meeting next week, Dow Jones reported.

In recent seasons, primarily black professional football players have knelt during the national anthem to protest racial inequality in the United States. The protests started after former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick last year began kneeling during the anthem to protest police mistreatment of black Americans.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/10/nfl-owners-to-consider-rule-change-that-would-require-players-to-stand-for-national-anthem-report.html
Wait, how can the NFL do that, don't the players have "freedom of speech"??

.."Earlier Tuesday, President Donald Trump tweeted that tax laws should be changed so that the NFL doesn't get "massive tax breaks while at the same time disrespecting our Anthem, Flag and Country."

Ahhhh.... money (or lack of) talks where it counts!

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41 me123   2017 Oct 10, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
errc says
errc says
So post an accurate poll, then


Why is this so impossible for you to do?


You just asked yourself, have you provided it yet?
42 me123   2017 Oct 10, 7:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
Every single national poll had Hillary winning by ~2%. And she won by slightly more than 2%.


You just keep coming back to "stupid" after being told over and over. Who pays you to TROLL???

The popular vote doesn't decide who wins the election, and it hasn't for 200 years. Posting the lie that Hillary "won" over and over doesn't make it true. In fact, she got spanked BIG TIME where it mattered, in the electoral college. Even Nate at 538 was totally wrong on his prediction.

Not only that, she lost like 5 or 6 states that Obama won TWICE. That's the TRUE sign of FAILURE..

But, I'm sure you'll continue to claim that Hillary "won".
43 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 10, 7:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
CIC-- You really need to stop posting and let the adults have a discussion.
44 me123   2017 Oct 10, 7:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
You really need to stop posting and let the adults have a discussion.


If you were a nice guy, you'd share some of the troll dollars that you receive.

But I understand living in Shitcago can be very expensive, so you need all the help you can get, I'll understand if you keep all the money to yourself.
45 errc   2017 Oct 10, 7:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
errc says
errc says
So post an accurate poll, then


Why is this so impossible for you to do?


You just asked yourself, have you provided it yet?


I’m not the one calling all the polls fake news. You’re claiming they’re in accurate, so post one that is accurate or stfu
46 justme   2017 Oct 10, 7:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.
47 CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 10, 7:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
anonymous says

cultural marxism is way more preferrable to economic marxism


The end game of both is the same. Cultural Marxism will require economic Marxism to come to fruition
48 me123   2017 Oct 10, 7:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
justme says
An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


Another one who keeps spewing the same WRONG bullshit and ignores FACTS.

So tell us, how much will that Jemell chick win in court from ESPN?
49 PCGyver   2017 Oct 10, 8:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I got a question? What about the NFL players who are not citizen of the United States? Do they have to participate?
50 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Oct 10, 9:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
When the NATIONAL! ANTHEM! plays, REAL! AMERICA!ns grab their balls and shriek SIEG! HEIL! exactly as the Founding Fathers intended.
51 anonymous   2017 Oct 11, 7:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for national anthem

Aww SHIT. More political correctness and virtue signaling.
52 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Oct 11, 8:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.
53 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".


But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?
54 errc   2017 Oct 11, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.


Here in the States, im not sure where you’re tallying wins from that list, but maybe if I lived 1000+ miles away from America, and only saw this unfolding from afar on twitter etc., maybe then I’d get what you were going on about
55 CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 11, 8:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
justme says
Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.
56 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.
57 errc   2017 Oct 11, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
CBOEtrader says
justme says
Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.


The NFL doesn’t have any problem with it, it’s just the Special Snowflakes Trumpcucks whinging about Americans doing the most American of things : peacefully protesting the government brutally murdering its citizens.

Welcome to bizarro world
58 CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 11, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.


Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting
59 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Oct 11, 8:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says
Do you even care about being consistent anymore?


Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.
60 errc   2017 Oct 11, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
joeyjojojunior says
But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says
Do you even care about being consistent anymore?


Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.


You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.

If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country
61 TwoScoopsMcGee   2017 Oct 11, 9:07am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
errc says
You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.


I think the NFL players are brats to kneel.

I think the NFL owners/admins are full of PR Bullshit when they try to dodge taking on the Kneeling by using Freedom of Speech.

For the goddamn upteenth time, the NFL fines and suspends players for saying Dammit, making hand gestures, wearing Cancer Awareness Eyeblack, and basically runs their lives. But on this one issue all of a sudden the NFL is all about FREEDOMZ (tm)? Bullshit PR to dodge dealing with the issue, I say.

The only government action I thought would be necessary is pulling their tax-free, and taxpayer subsidized, largess. There STILL is no reason the NFL should be tax free even when they stand for the pledge going forward.

errc says
If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country


Errc, do you realize that it just happened? That the NFL just gave in to the fans after sharp drops in viewership? Hence the celebratory mood?

The Fans pressured the heavily Taxpayer Subsidized, Government Endorsed NFL and the wealthy Team Owners, to give up trying to kiss SJW ass - all using their Freedom of Choice.
62 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.


You didn't.. Free speech is the players being allowed to exercise their rights.
63 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
CBOEtrader says
Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting


McGee. He's the special snowflake that has started thread after thread complaining because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.
64 me123   2017 Oct 11, 7:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
Free speech is the player's being allowed to exercise their rights.


65 me123   2017 Oct 11, 7:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
complaining because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.


A "few". You need better math skills.

The Associated Press observed more than 200 players around the NFL kneeling or sitting during the national anthem on Sunday.

Total: 204

The amount of protests around the NFL ballooned this weekend in the wake of President Donald Trump's criticism of players who protest during the national anthem. Only four players were observed kneeling or sitting last weekend, and two others raised their fists.

http://time.com/4955104/nfl-players-kneel-anthem-trump/
66 FortWayne   2017 Oct 11, 8:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
So McGee--tell me again why it's bad for Google to "censor" it's employee and for YouTube to "censor" its videos, but it's good for the NFL monopoly to censor its employees?


Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization while on the clock.
67 Quigley   2017 Oct 11, 8:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
justme says
The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.


Really? You're going to claim that every single Hollywood actor with an opinion just happens to have the exact same opinion as their studio employers and every other actor?

Every single newscaster has the exact same opinion about everything?

Or could it possibly be that they don't express their true opinions because toeing the company line is required of the job?
68 justme   2017 Oct 11, 8:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Quigley says
Every single newscaster has the exact same opinion about everything?


The job of a newscaster or an actor IS to read the script placed in front of them.

It is not the job of NFL football players to participate in employer-mandated political ceremonies and express the political views of the owners. The same observation applies to almost any other job you can think of, except for, well, newscasters and actors.

Do you understand the difference?
69 justme   2017 Oct 11, 8:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says

This is why NFL players are kneeling






Your argument (see original graph) is that it is ok for white people to kill unarmed black people, black people who were not a threat to anyone, because white people, on a per capita basis, kill fewer black people than black people do.

That's one of the most perverse interpretations of what constitutes justice that I have ever heard. It's like saying that we need not prosecute white people for killing black people because they white people have not filled their quota yet.

Can you grasp the sheer evil and stupidity of what you are saying? I doubt it, but give it a try.
70 me123   2017 Oct 11, 10:04pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
justme says
Your argument (see original graph) is that it is ok for white people to kill unarmed black people, black people who were not a threat to anyone, because white people, on a per capita basis, kill fewer black people than black people do.


Are you really this ignorant? This is a serious question?

The NFL assholes are protesting blacks being killed by white cops. That chart clearly shows that's the smallest number of homicides. If these players were REALLY SJW, they should be concerned with ALL homicides.

Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?
71 CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 12, 4:06am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        
me123 says
Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?


OR if they are concerned w police brutality, how about any of the incidents involving white people? Oh that's right, f poor white people cause they have "privilege". Let's ignore the most scientific study done on the topic showing cops are more likely to shoot whites than blacks https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.9f276a6462cf
AND lets ignore the fact that cops are now too scared to do their jobs properly in Chicago, thus allowing the murder rate of black men to skyrocket in Chicago. http://heyjackass.com/
Nah, fuck all the facts that could actually guide us to help people, and lets just boil it down to "fuck white people, cause racism."
72 rktbrkr   2017 Oct 12, 5:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
NFL = National Felons League
73 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 5:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
FortWayne says
Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization.


I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.

It should be illegal to fire someone for discussing company policies internally? Really?
74 PCGyver   2017 Oct 12, 7:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Oh no here we go again CBOEtrader says
Let's ignore the most scientific study done on the topic showing cops are more likely to shoot whites than blacks


Did you read the article? Because if you did you forgot to mention that this study was done in HOUSTON. 1 city. So if you were honest (which apparently you are not) you would have mentioned that ... cops are more likely to shoot whites than blacks in HOUSTON.
75 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
rktbrkr says
NFL = National Felons League


Clever! I see what you did there.
76 me123   2017 Oct 12, 8:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.


Not everyone here gets paid to troll like you do.
77 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
me123 says
joeyjojojunior says
I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.


Not everyone here gets paid to troll like you do.


You mean you spend this much time and effort here for free? Wow--you are a real loser.
78 me123   2017 Oct 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
me123 says
joeyjojojunior says
I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.


Not everyone here gets paid to troll like you do.


You mean you spend this much time and effort here for free?


Someone needs to try and educate you, but it's really a lost cause.
79 justme   2017 Oct 12, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
me123 says
The NFL assholes are protesting blacks being killed by white cops. That chart clearly shows that's the smallest number of homicides. If these players were REALLY SJW, they should be concerned with ALL homicides.

Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?


Black people who murder black people get prosecuted and convicted.
Police that murder black people are not being prosecuted and convicted.

THAT is the injustice that BLM and many others protest against. Are you going to pretend that you have not understood that, or are you really so dense that you have not understood that?
80 joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
me123 says

Someone needs to try and educate you, but it's really a lost cause.


I'm the one getting paid. I think someone needs to educate you!

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