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A zillionaire's solution

By anonymous following x   2017 Oct 11, 6:47am 1,550 views   109 comments   watch   quote     share    


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/republican-tax-cut-for-rich-economy-215696
"The Republican tax plan is a scam—a massive and destructive financial giveaway masquerading as pro-growth tax reform. Which is why our first response must be to demand not one penny of tax cuts for big corporations and rich guys like me. In fact, if I were Benevolent Dictator, I would substantially raise taxes on myself and my wealthy friends. Why? It is the only way to sustainably grow the economy, boost productivity, increase business opportunities and create more and better jobs."

Someone who gets it. This guy wants to help the middle class. Trump just wants to help himself and his family. Period.

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1   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 11, 7:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Trumpcunt has no balls.

If you want to murder working-class people, shoot them in the face, exactly as the Founding Fathers instructed.
2   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 7:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
Second, who is this guy? "Nick Hanauer is a Seattle-based entrepreneur."


Google is your friend, CIC. Learn to use it.
3   Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 7:46am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Only a leftist could describe a tax CUT as a financial giveaway.

Def of Cut - reduce the amount or quantity of.
4   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Fucking White Male says
Only a leftist could describe a tax CUT as a financial giveaway.

Def of Cut - reduce the amount or quantity of.


When you have to borrow to give it away, what would you call it?
5   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 8:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says


When you have to borrow to give it away, what would you call it?


Responsible fiscal policy if you are republican
6   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 11, 8:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

bob2356 says
joeyjojojunior says


When you have to borrow to give it away, what would you call it?


Responsible fiscal policy if you are republican


Modern day Conservatives. It seems they’re all distracted watching gay and trans porn 24/7, because that’s all they ever really talk about. The party of self loathing
7   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 9:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Meantime in Europe: Netherlands has dropped business tax from 25% to 21%, eliminated 15% dividend tax and reduced number of individual tax brackets to only two.
8   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 10:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote      

Fucking White Male says
Only a leftist could describe a tax CUT as a financial giveaway.


Fuck off.

Republicans jacked off while screaming for a multi-trillion dollar war in Iraq. They constantly push for a bigger military, the largest budgetary item there is.

But YEAH!!!!! It's YOUR money, not the GOVERNMENT'S money! That's the ticket! Tea party revolt! Tea party revolt!

Republicans are fundamentally incapable of making rational political decisions and are uniquely unqualified to vote. The only entitlement program ever passed in this nation's history without any way to fund it was medicare D pushed through by an entirely Republican congress and signed by George Bush. You people are simply too stupid to be allowed to govern. Most of your arguments are shit.
9   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 10:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says
Meantime in Europe: Netherlands has dropped business tax from 25% to 21%, eliminated 15% dividend tax and reduced number of individual tax brackets to only two.


So you are advocating simplifying the US tax system and adding the Netherlands style 21% VAT tax?
10   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 10:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

bob2356 says
KimJongUn says
Meantime in Europe: Netherlands has dropped business tax from 25% to 21%, eliminated 15% dividend tax and reduced number of individual tax brackets to only two.


So you are advocating simplifying the US tax system and adding the Netherlands style 21% VAT tax?


Where? All I'm saying that apparently the reduction of corporate tax and number of brackets has some value to other than "trumpkins and eeeevil republicans" and not as useless and meaningless like that "multizillionaire guy" seems to suggest.
11   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says
Where? All I'm saying that apparently the reduction of corporate tax and number of brackets has some value to other than "trumpkins and eeeevil republicans" and not as useless and meaningless like that "multizillionaire guy" seems to suggest.


It MAY have value if it's done along with other coordinated moves as well.
12   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says

Where? All I'm saying that apparently the reduction of corporate tax and number of brackets has some value to other than "trumpkins and eeeevil republicans" like that "multizillionaire guy" seems to suggest.


You need to go read what is being done and why. The tax systems aren't comparable in execution or intent so the changes aren't comparable.

Netherlands didn't reduce the corporate tax rate, they changed the brackets so the lower bracket is raised. The rates are the same, just the brackets changed. Corporate taxation rules in europe are very different than the US. The effects of changes aren't the same. It's certainly nothing like cutting the rate from 39% to 15% and letting everyone with high salaries move their income to pass through llc's at a low tax rate.

The dividend tax didn't get eliminated, they changed some of the rules on withholding of dividend tax to make the rules more comparable between different types of entities. .

https://www.taxand.com/our-thinking/news/corporate-income-tax-reductions-announced-2017-dutch-tax-plan/
13   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
KimJongUn says
Where? All I'm saying that apparently the reduction of corporate tax and number of brackets has some value to other than "trumpkins and eeeevil republicans" and not as useless and meaningless like that "multizillionaire guy" seems to suggest.


It MAY have value if it's done along with other coordinated moves as well.


Right. But for some reason it's just rejected outright. I wonder what that reason is...
14   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 11:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

bob2356 says
The tax systems aren't comparable in execution or intent so the changes aren't comparable.


I know. All I'm saying that when your side rejects some tax moves absolutely w/o condition it makes you look not serious.
15   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says

Right. But for some reason it's just rejected outright. I wonder what that reason is...


Because the only proposals that Republicans will back are designed to reward the wealthy. It's never done correctly to help jobs.
16   Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Oct 11, 2:10pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
The only entitlement program ever passed in this nation's history without any way to fund it was ...


...Obamacare???
17   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 2:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says
I know. All I'm saying that when your side rejects some tax moves absolutely w/o condition it makes you look not serious.


Not if the proposals are all ridiculous like Trump's tax plan.
18   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 2:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

KimJongUn says
Meantime in Europe: Netherlands has dropped business tax from 25% to 21%, eliminated 15% dividend tax and reduced number of individual tax brackets to only two.


Also Sweden and Iceland have quietly put the single payer plans on the shelf indefinitely.
19   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 2:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
Also Sweden and Iceland have quietly put the single payer plans on the shelf indefinitely.


Which of course is a blatant lie from a blatant liar which is why he'll never source any assertion at any time for any reason.

I however will:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Iceland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden

What's amazing about Sweden is that employers are forced to provide wages for up to 2 weeks if a worker is found to be sick. This policy very likely reduces the total number of sick days and saves both the employers and the government health care plan money .
20   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 3:11pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
KimJongUn says

Right. But for some reason it's just rejected outright. I wonder what that reason is...


Because the only proposals that Republicans will back are designed to reward the wealthy. It's never done correctly to help jobs.


Yawn. Another shallow slogan mindlessly shout out. Booooooring.
21   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 3:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

KimJongUn says
Yawn. Another shallow slogan mindlessly shout out. Booooooring.


How is that not true?

Republicans run things now and the only thing they have been able to come up with is destroy Medicaid.
22   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 3:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
KimJongUn says
I know. All I'm saying that when your side rejects some tax moves absolutely w/o condition it makes you look not serious.


Not if the proposals are all ridiculous like Trump's tax plan.


Yawn agan.
23   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 3:25pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says
Goran_K says
Also Sweden and Iceland have quietly put the single payer plans on the shelf indefinitely.


Which of course is a blatant lie from a blatant liar which is why he'll never source any assertion at any time for any reason.

I however will:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Iceland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden

What's amazing about Sweden is that employers are forced to provide wages for up to 2 weeks if a worker is found to be sick. This policy very likely reduces the total number of sick days and saves both the employers and the government health care plan money .


You're right, I actually meant Switzerland. They shelved it after figuring out they couldn't pay for it.

Iceland and Sweden are actually examples of where Single payer has caused tax rates to skyrocket.
24   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 3:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
days and saves both the employers and the government health care plan money .


No it doesn't. Sweden's top tax rate is almost 60%. Single payer causes taxes to skyrocket, it doesn't save anything.
25   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 3:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
KimJongUn says
Yawn. Another shallow slogan mindlessly shout out. Booooooring.


How is that not true?

Republicans run things now and the only thing they have been able to come up with is destroy Medicaid.


Yawn the third time.
26   Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 11, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
When you have to borrow to give it away, what would you call it?


A democrat strategy that never worked. Borrow, and give it away to the able bodied welfare queens.
27   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 4:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

KimJongUn says
Yawn the third time.


Yes we know, you're so clever and so kewl.
28   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 11, 6:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says


You're right, I actually meant Switzerland. They shelved it after figuring out they couldn't pay for it.


The swiss never had single payer. Where did you get that? At the very least you could tell creditable lies.

Lets check this out. The Swiss have compulsory insurance, medicare style price controls, old and young pay the same premiums, pre existing must be covered and not charged extra, the government defines the benefits, insurers must be non profit, the government subsidizes the premiums of the poor, no employer insurance. OMG the Swiss invented obamacare. That's just amazing.

So you are advocating government price and benefit controlled doctors/hospitals/insurance companies, compulsory insurance, no employer insurance? I don't believe that.
29   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 7:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Strategist says
A democrat strategy that never worked. Borrow, and give it away to the able bodied welfare queens.


No, Dems are the ones that raise taxes when needed to pay for their programs. It's the Reagans and W. Bush's that borrow to give huge breaks to rich people.
30   Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 7:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
Strategist says
A democrat strategy that never worked. Borrow, and give it away to the able bodied welfare queens.


No, Dems are the ones that raise taxes when needed to pay for their programs. It's the Reagans and W. Bush's that borrow to give huge breaks to rich people.


No Joey, if that was the case we would not have deficits when democrat Presidents are in power.
By the way, are you OK with our money being given away to able bodied bums who refuse to work?
31   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 8:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
No Joey, if that was the case we would not have deficits when democrat Presidents are in power.
By the way, are you OK with our money being given away to able bodied bums who refuse to work?


Actually, if you look the budget deficit over time, it's clear that Dems do a MUCH better job and balancing the budget than do Republicans. It's not even close.

The US Budget is like the titanic--you can't turn it around in 1 year. But you can start a trend towards balance like Clinton did. Like Obama did.

Or you can start a trend towards unbalancing it--like W. Bush did. Like Reagan did.
32   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 9:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Strategist says
No Joey, if that was the case we would not have deficits when democrat Presidents are in power.


You have absolutely no idea how money is spent.

So what credit do you give Bill Clinton for running a budget surplus? Isn't he a Democrat?
33   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 9:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says
So what credit do you give Bill Clinton for running a budget surplus? Isn't he a Democrat?


Whatever credit he gets for a budget surplus, is erased and puts him deep in the negative for signing and championing Gramm–Leach–Bliley. He basically setup the country for 2008.
34   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
Whatever credit he gets for a budget surplus, is erased and puts him deep in the negative for signing and championing Gramm–Leach–Bliley. He basically setup the country for 2008.


So he was too much like a Republican for you then.

Begs the question--why do you continue to vote for politicians that are all the bad of Clinton and none of the good?
35   Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 9:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
Strategist says
No Joey, if that was the case we would not have deficits when democrat Presidents are in power.


You have absolutely no idea how money is spent.

So what credit do you give Bill Clinton for running a budget surplus? Isn't he a Democrat?


I loved Bill Clinton. He put restrictions on welfare bums.
What about Carter, the worst President since WW2?
36   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Strategist says
What about Carter, the worst President since WW2?


Be specific about why you think Carter was worse.
37   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 10:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
So he was too much like a Republican for you then.


This is one of those amazingly simple questions that highlights massive hypocrisy and generally drives people like Goran out of the thread and out of the conversation. A person who is basically arguing that deregulation is bad just elected a president who promises to deregulate everything with a congress that has wanted to deregulate everything for 30 years.

It's like a vegetarian who scolds a man for eating a cheeseburger then for the next 4 years consumes nothing but milk fed veal and wears nothing but fur.

So how about it Goran? Your criticism of Bill Clinton is that he was a little too Republican for your taste?
38   Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 12, 7:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
Strategist says
What about Carter, the worst President since WW2?


Be specific about why you think Carter was worse.


Gosh Iwog, Carter screwed up in almost everything, and I only say almost everything because he must have got something right. I like the guy, and I would love to have him as a neighbor.
He screwed up with everything to do with the:
Economy, inflation, interest rates, unemployment, etc
Foreign policy, dumping the Shah of Iran and allowing the Ayatollah to rule Iran. Gosh, he even ended up destroying Iran, a country with a future.
What good was Carter for the USA, and for the world?
39   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 7:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
Economy, inflation, interest rates, unemployment, etc


Perhaps you ought to read up on the Federal Reserve and how it's controlled. (hint--the Fed probably played a big role in Reagan's win)
40   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 12, 8:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
Strategist says
No Joey, if that was the case we would not have deficits when democrat Presidents are in power.


You have absolutely no idea how money is spent.

So what credit do you give Bill Clinton for running a budget surplus? Isn't he a Democrat?


Weren't you calling pat.net posters idiots for attributing budgets to presidents rather than Congress a few weeks back?

Bill Clinton had a republican congress.

So which is it? Were you wrong then or are you wrong now?

The most fiscally responsible government is a gridlocked government.

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