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What exactly happened to offend this inanimate object? Why does a flag even enter into the subject?
jazz_music saysWhat exactly happened to offend this inanimate object? Why does a flag even enter into the subject?People who worship flags are brainwashed morons more concern with tribalism than their countrymen. Such people deserve no respect.
Such people deserve no respect.
It just means that millionaires on TV aren't quite as criminal as the most criminal group in America. It includes a great deal of property crime, not just violence. Again, would hope 7 figure players don't need to steal hubcaps or rob liquor stores for $135. And Domestic Violence wasn't included, because the FBI doesn't provide those numbers.
Ok Dan, what would you think of a rally where they burned rainbow flags? Would that be "hate speech?" And how is that different from burning US flags? If it is?
My position is that both activities are free speech protected.
However, like the White Supremacists at the Charlottesville protest discovered, freedom of speech only protects you against the government, not from being ostracized or fired if society or your company doesn't like what you said.
The confederate flag, monuments, statues are all inanimate objects. It's what they symbolize that causes fights to break out.
That would be called Liberalism. It's a good philosophy, isn't it?
And this just makes my point even more poignant. The NFL players should be respected for taking the unpopular moral stand
It's a good philosophy. Nevertheless, free speech can be disrespectful, and the NFL players were disrespectful.
Strategist saysIt's a good philosophy. Nevertheless, free speech can be disrespectful, and the NFL players were disrespectful. You can assert that they were disrespectful, but can you justify that assertion? I can justify the assertion that those criticizing the NFL players are being disrespectful. Specifically, those people- are showing complete apathy for the murder and rape of their fellow Americans.- are more concern with the image of America than the lives of Americans.- clearly do not believe in the principles of America such as making an unpopular stand against injustice.
So, defend your statement that the NFL players are being disrespectful. How exactly are they being disrespectful? Christ, kneeling is literally the most fucking respectful way they could have possibly protested. If that form of protest isn't respectful, what fucking possible protest would be?
What is so moral about disrespecting the American flag or America.
Would the NFL players think it is disrespectful to pee on a statue of MLK? I'm sure they would.
Dan, if you think disrespecting America is moral, you should leave for a better country. A country you can respect for a change.
2. Respect must be earned. Americans have not earned respect precisely because of shameful behavior like murdering and raping innocent people.
5. Showing disrespect for those who commit atrocities, cover up those atrocities, or protect the criminals who commit those atrocities is very moral. The most moral and patriotic thing you can do is take an stand against the majority of your country or those in power who harm others. Exposing the problems, including moral reprehensible practices, is moral and patriotic precisely because it is necessary to correct the problems and stop others from being victimized.
6. The ONLY parts of American history that we deserve to be proud of are the parts exactly like the take a knee protest where individuals and groups took an unpopular stand against a grave injustice. The NFL players are on the right side of history and will be judged approvingly for it. Those condemning the NFL players are on the wrong side of history and will be judged accordingly.7. To object at all of the take a knee protest is to say that some stupid nationalist practice means more than the lives of American men, women, and children. That is morally bankrupt.
NFL players should be respected for taking the unpopular moral stand
Ok you're obviously not getting it.
So the NFL players, most of whom are criminals, are protesting against rape and murder? Really? ROFL ROFL ROFL.
That is why if I was a dictator, all hard core criminals would be dead. And yes, Dan, even hard core criminal cops.
I just got back from Gettysburg. 620,000 Americans died just so all slaves can be freed. And this is the thanks criminals who make millions give to America. Pathetic.
Ok you're obviously not getting it.
Slavers are the most despicable criminals.
What the NFL did is like Apple running an ad campaign mocking people who buy Half-Caff Soy Lattes or drive a Prius.
Want to show that over half of NFL players have been convicted of a crime?
You are entitled to nothing.
And neither are the other players. The NFL, their employer, is learning that it isn't entitled to fan dollars as their ratings drop and game attendance takes a nosedive. You must always first please the customer.
Likewise, those who gave their lives so that slaves could be free are the most decent human beings ever.
This should be interesting if the NFL really decides to punish protesting players. Nobody pays to see the owners walking the sidelines or watching the game from their skybox. It would be interesting if the players unite on this issue.
There's already an established system for punishing players who act against the owners wishes. They get fined. The fines can be quite large! Tens of thousands of dollars per offence! So I think this protest won't be worth it to many if the league gets serious about this. Nobody had to be fired. Fines will deter improper behavior just fine.
All of these examples are better causes than the disjointed and emotional protest against the anthem.
If kneeling for the national anthem as free speech is fine with the NFL, but speaking out for the fights against breast cancer and domestic violence as well as highlighting mental health issues is a problem, the league deserves whatever derision it receives.