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2   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 13, 9:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-09-21-over-31000-scientists-say-global-warming-is-a-total-hoax-now-theyre-speaking-out-against-junk-science.html#



Can I have names for these 31000( 9000 Ph D) scientist and their field of expertise. I bet you that most of them are nothing but a PhD in an entirely different field or working for a company that benefits by ignoring Global warming
3   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 10:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
working for a company that benefits by ignoring Global warming

Do you deny the medieval warming period, the little ice age, and natural climate variability?

The religion of CAGW requires that you do.
4   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Oct 13, 10:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Anyone researched naturalnews.com?
5   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 10:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HEY YOU says
Anyone researched naturalnews.com?


Probably some oil sponsored denier site.

They got the data from NASA.
6   anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 13, 11:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
Onvacation says
https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-09-21-over-31000-scientists-say-global-warming-is-a-total-hoax-now-theyre-speaking-out-against-junk-science.html#



Can I have names for these 31000( 9000 Ph D) scientist and their field of expertise. I bet you that most of them are nothing but a PhD in an entirely different field or working for a company that benefits by ignoring Global warming


Why do you need exact names and positions? It is a well known fact that there are only about a hundred of scientists who are experts in the field and are qualified to speak on the subject. Here, from Skeptical Science (https://www.skepticalscience.com/AMS-meteorologists-97-percent.html):

Several surveys have found relatively low acceptance of human-caused global warming amongst meteorologists. For example, a 2009 survey found that among Earth scientists, only economic geologists (47 percent) had lower acceptance of human-caused global warming than meteorologists (64 percent). A new paper by social scientists from George Mason University, the American Meteorological Society (AMS), and Yale University reports results from a survey of members of the AMS to determine the factors associated with their views on climate change.....
....
The bottom line is that the previous studies finding 97 percent expert consensus on human-caused global warming are not directly comparable to this new study, which surveyed all AMS members, most of whom are not climate experts.
7   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 12:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anonymous says
the previous studies finding 97 percent expert consensus on human-caused global warming

Studies are there more than one study claiming 97%?

Is science a popularity contest?
8   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 13, 12:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says
Is science a popularity contest?


Actually that is my point exactly. Unless these 31000 people are experts, there opinion counts little more than mine ( I am a Masters of Science)
9   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 13, 12:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

After some investigation, the naturalnews is a right wing propaganda site with articles on bashing liberals. I

Tim Aurora says
Onvacation says
Is science a popularity contest?
10   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
After some investigation, the naturalnews is a right wing propaganda site with articles on bashing liberals. I

So?
Do you deny the evidence that CAGW is a fraud?
Onvacation says
Do you deny the medieval warming period, the little ice age, and natural climate variability?

Just curious where you stand with the alarmists.
11   anonymous   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 13, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says
anonymous says
the previous studies finding 97 percent expert consensus on human-caused global warming

Studies are there more than one study claiming 97%?

Is science a popularity contest?


Read the linked article.

There are multiple consensus studies. They all find out that scientists, by and large, do not believein CAGW. Skeptical Science -- along with Tim Aurora -- claim that it doesn't matter, only the opinion of 'experts' matter.


Tim Aurora says
Onvacation says
Is science a popularity contest?


Actually that is my point exactly. Unless these 31000 people are experts, there opinion counts little more than mine ( I am a Masters of Science)


Do you believe that Earth is six thousand years old? Because that's what experts in every field imaginable (they reside mostly in Vatican) believe.
Do you follow the food pyramid? Another gift from the 'experts'.
Eugenics. Lysenkoism. All brought by the 'experts in the field'.
12   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 13, 2:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Another bullshit propaganda piece by a troll trying to suggest that global warming was renamed to climate change to cover up lies, but who doesn't have the balls to state that forthright.

Climate change refers to all the changes in the climate including global warming, the driving factor. The new term was adopted because the conservative right is SO FUCKING STUPID that it cannot understand that the mean global temperature can increase even though local temperatures on some specific spot on the Earth decreases.

Seriously, if you still think that climate change is a hoax today, you're a fucking retard and there is no redeeming you. At this point, your ignorance is a reflection of your character.
13   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 3:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Global Warmists: Generous, selfless, brilliant individuals devoted to warning mankind of an imminent, pending disaster with absolutely no subtext or agenda.

Warming Denialists: Idiotic fiends, morally and intellectually bankrupt, who don't care for humanity and are the craven slaves of filthy industries who make a few oligarchs wealthy at the expense of mankind.

Such great choices: deluded virtue signaling guilt tripping pseudo moralist parading as self anointed, all knowing intellectual giant OR demonized fiend despoiling the planet. No wonder the dialog is so rational.
14   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 4:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Dan8267 says
suggest that global warming was renamed to climate change to cover up lies,

Suggest?
Tell us again why global warming was renamed to climate change after hockey stick predictions of multi degree warming did not happen.

And then explain how 4/100 of a degree worldwide average annual temperature rise can be measured accurately enough to claim new records.
History will look back at how trivial a problem Global warming climate change was.
15   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 13, 4:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Dan8267 says
The new term was adopted because the conservative right is SO FUCKING STUPID

OK
Can't you ever argue facts instead of going all uncivil?
16   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 13, 6:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Onvacation says
Can't you ever argue facts instead of going all uncivil?


Facts are not argued. They are verified. You are not interested in facts. You are completely dishonest and only fools believe you.
17   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 8:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Dan8267 says

Facts are not argued. They are verified.

Then why are you so uncivil about it?
18   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 8:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says
Tell us again why global warming was renamed to climate change after hockey stick predictions of multi degree warming did not happen?.

And then explain how 4/100 of a degree worldwide average annual temperature rise can be measured accurately enough to claim new records?.

Can anyone answer these questions? Dan failed.
19   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 8:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Masters of Science, yet your sentence contains no verb or object.
I love when people stick their foot up their own ass while bloviating about their education...
It saves me the effort...

Tim Aurora says
( I am a Masters of Science)
Tim Aurora says
After some investigation, the naturalnews is a right wing propaganda site with articles on bashing liberals. I
20   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 8:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ever since Georgies shuttered up he has no testeronian outlet...

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says

Facts are not argued. They are verified.

Then why are you so uncivil about it?
21   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 8:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The verification process can be argued, thus by extension, supposed 'facts' can be argued...

Dan8267 says
Onvacation says
Can't you ever argue facts instead of going all uncivil?


Facts are not argued. They are verified.
22   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
I am a Masters of Science

Most of us on patnet are MS. Some only BS.

As an educated person I am surprised you fall for the alarmism.
23   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 9:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If this is what passes for "masters of science" these days, we might as well sell the whole fucking thing to the chinese...

BlueSardine says
Tim Aurora says
there opinion counts little more than mine ( I am a Masters of Science)


Timmy, the correct word would be "their".
24   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

That's better. Life is good when BlueSardine is back to correcting grammar and spelling.
25   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 14, 10:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

BlueSardine says
If this is what passes for "masters of science" these days, we might as well sell the whole fucking thing to the chinese...


Well , you again validated my point that those 31000 scientist, unless they are expert, count for nothing.

And if you are criticizing others for grammar, please make sure you are correct, "chinese" should be spelled with a capital "C"

Check. Mate.
26   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 14, 5:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Onvacation says
Then why are you so uncivil about it?


Calling you out on your lies and bullshit is not uncivil. It's honesty.

Why are you completely incapable of being honest just once in your life?
27   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 5:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Not if one is referring to the chinese in a disrespectful manner.
No czechmait...

Tim Aurora says
And if you are criticizing others for grammar, please make sure you are correct, "chinese" should be spelled with a capital "C"

Check. Mate.
28   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 6:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Dan8267 says
you're a fucking retard and there is no redeeming you. At this point, your ignorance is a reflection of your character.

Then maybe you can answer this question about global climate and the warming change:
Onvacation says
explain how 4/100 of a degree worldwide average annual temperature rise can be measured accurately enough to claim new records?.
29   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 14, 6:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Onvacation says
explain how 4/100 of a degree worldwide average annual temperature rise can be measured accurately enough to claim new records?.


If I answer it, will you admit you are wrong?
30   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 7:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Dan8267 says


If I answer it, will you admit you are wrong?

If you could answer it you would.
31   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 7:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Four hundredths of one degree warmer than last year. A new all time worldwide annual average temperature. Hotter than it has ever been before.
32   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 2:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says


If I answer it, will you admit you are wrong?

If you could answer it you would.

But you can't.
4/100 of a degree of temperature over the entire world averaged over 24 hours and 365 days. Am I the only one that finds this ridiculous?
33   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 15, 3:07pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says


If I answer it, will you admit you are wrong?

If you could answer it you would.


Don't dodge the question like a bitch. I'll answer the question immediately after you agree to the terms. You have to admit that you are a lying sack of shit spreading misinformation about climate change after I show you exactly how temperatures are measured with that precision.

Right now you are just being a coward.
34   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 15, 4:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

me123 says
Translation: I got nothing.


If you think that, have your butt buddy call my hand.
35   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 4:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Dan8267 says
You have to admit that you are a lying sack of shit spreading misinformation

dan. Can't we have a civil debate?
Among the many climate warming questions you have dodged.
Onvacation says
explain how 4/100 of a degree worldwide average annual temperature rise can be measured accurately enough to claim new records?.

Onvacation says
Onvacation says
Do you deny natural climate variability?

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says
Maybe your inability to understand exponential growth explains your poverty and debt.

OK seriously. Over what period of time has the ocean level or annual average worldwide temp (whatever that means) risen exponentially?

And
Why are you running away from these questions?
36   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 15, 4:42pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
dan. Can't we have a civil debate?


Not as long as you are a petulant, lying troll. Don't pretend that your being at all civil. Your comments on other threads are all public.

Onvacation says
Why are you running away from these questions?


I'm not going to play your games. I gave you an ultimatum. Agree to it and I will answer the question. Otherwise, you get nothing. I've debunked every lie you've told. Unless you are willing to go on the record as being wrong when I debunk this lie, this game is over.

Why are you so afraid to admit being wrong if I have an answer?

You are a coward.
37   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Dan8267 says

I'm not going to play your games. I gave you an ultimatum. Agree to it and I will answer the question. Otherwise, you get nothing. I've debunked every lie you've told. Unless you are willing to go on the record as being wrong when I debunk this lie, this game is over.

lol
Thanks for playing.

I knew he had no answers.
Global warming climate change is as natural as exhaling co2.
There is no exponential rise in sea level or temperature. Anything you want to call "average annual worldwide temp" is arbitrary especially when compared to historical proxies.
We humans are destroying the world with warfare, corrupt governments, overpopulation, and pollution. We are not going to save the world by recycling and giving up our freedom to the bureau of carbon control.

Solve the real problems.

Moving up the hill and buying an air conditioner will take care of Global warming climate change.

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