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The Less We Believe Them About Las Vegas, The More They Want Our Guns

By MrMagic following x   2017 Oct 14, 6:47am 2,873 views   38 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Once again, there has been a mass shooting in the United States and the usual script is in play.

Before the blood was dry, gun control advocates had trotted out their standard list of remedial measures, none of which would have prevented what had just taken place.

Since the Las Vegas massacre we have been regaled about evil guns by factually ignorant buffoons like Bill Maher, Colin Jost, Michael Che, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, Trevor Noah, and John Oliver – the last two not even Americans. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong and callous about the loss of innocent life. We now import foreigners to insult us and our institutions and pay them outrageous salaries to do it.

Las Vegas was a bit different from previous mass shooting in at least two glaring respects.

First, the inability of law enforcement to discover a motive remains the biggest mystery.

Second, there's the money. The individual in question, as confirmed by his girlfriend as well as by his brother and other family members, was quite rich.

In any case, the inability to get a straight answer to the questions, or even to ascertain simple facts like whether a hotel security guard was shot before or after the mass killing began, or when the first call was made to police, feeds public distrust and speculation as to what the hell is really is going on. That is turn prompts establishment gatekeepers like Snopes to denounce as “conspiracy theorists” (mainly of the “far right” variety, because the existence of a far left is itself a conspiracy theory) folks trying to make sense of the nonsense we’re being force-fed.

At least Las Vegas has shined a light on one deception that has long been standard in the American media: the notion – no doubt believed by many outside the US – that Americans routinely run around with machine guns shooting each other.

What makes them not like contemporary weapons of war is that they are not fully automatic (hold the trigger down for multiple, rapid rounds), which is why gun control advocates abuse the trick designation “military style” – they look scarier than semiautomatic hunting rifles because of cosmetic features like pistol grips and folding stocks. Fully automatic weapons (i.e., machine guns) have been virtually impossible acquire legally in the US for decades.

Ironically, when the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, which protects Americans’ fundamental right to keep and bear arms, was adopted, ordinary civilian guns really were equal to weapons of war. In fact, they were sometimes better.

Not any more.

Advocates in gun control in America are always saying they just want “common-sense gun control” laws, like “closing the gun show loophole,” having stricter background checks, limiting the size of magazines, restricting the number of weapons or amount of ammunition someone can buy, and other seemingly innocuous measures. Each is a fraud.

Meanwhile, the real American slaughter continues in cities where gun laws are as strict as those in any country in Europe, and it is virtually impossible for an honest citizen to acquire and carry a legal weapon.

For example, last month Chicago reached its 500th homicide so far this year, and by New Year’s Day 2018 is on track to rack up a total exceeding ten times that of the Las Vegas massacre.

What’s the solution? Evidently to infringe on the constitutional rights of honest, peaceful, law-abiding citizens who are armed and increasingly distrustful of what they are being told by their supposed betters.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/less-we-believe-them-about-las-vegas-more-they-want-our-guns
1   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 14, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I think they know the motive. I think they are afraid of the consequences of it being known.
2   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 14, 9:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

He is a well known leftist activist...

In all seriousness, good article. Despite it being on Zero Hedge, the this Tyler is not retarded. Clearly a right wing snark to it, but overall an accurate view of the state of things.
3   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Oct 14, 9:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Where in the 2nd Amendment does it say I have to have a piece of paper to carry a "arms" out of view/concealed?
Where does it say I have to give any personal info to make a Free Market purchase of an "arms"?
FUCK TREASONOUS TRAITORS! for infringing on my 2nd Amendment Rights.
Any one that supports any infringement should be shot as enemy combatants by law enforcement,no questions asked.
How many Red States have infringement laws?

Boycott all Republicans,maybe that will stop their destruction on America.
4   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 14, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anonymous says
Despite it being on Zero Hedge,


The article was a repost by a guest author.
5   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 14, 12:56pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

For all you gun haters, he is my collection of handguns at the range the other week. Now go cry.

6   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 14, 5:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says

Looks similar to what we were doing yesterday.


Awesome!!
7   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 14, 9:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
Looks similar to what we were doing yesterday.

That's what will keep the chinese out of America.
8   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 5:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
me123 says
Looks similar to what we were doing yesterday.

That's what will keep the chinese out of America.


What chinese are not coming to america because CIC is playing with his gun?
9   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 5:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
Meanwhile, the real American slaughter continues in cities where gun laws are as strict as those in any country in Europe, and it is virtually impossible for an honest citizen to acquire and carry a legal weapon.

For example, last month Chicago reached its 500th homicide so far this year, and by New Year’s Day 2018 is on track to rack up a total exceeding ten times that of the Las Vegas massacre.


Very good piggy. These people aren't honest citizens, that is why they are called criminals. At some point some honest citizen outside of Chicago sold a gun to a criminal which ended up in Chicago. The guns in Chicago didn't get there by magically just appearing.

So if you are an honest citizen, which is doubtful, who is only going to sell a gun to another honest citizen why would you or any other honest citizen gun owner object to keeping track of this? I would think any actual honest citizen gun owner would like to see the bad apples gone. If you are actually an honest citizen that is.

Why does the NRA have a shit fit about the idea of tracking where guns go? Other than the fact the NRA today is a front tor the gun manufacturers who know damn well a good percentage of gun sales are being pipe lined to criminals but don't care as long as sales stay high.
10   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 15, 6:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Why does the NRA have a shit fit about the idea of tracking where guns go? Other than the fact the NRA today is a front tor the gun manufacturers who know damn well a good percentage of gun sales are being pipe lined to criminals but don't care as long as sales stay high.

—————-

What other industry would ever attack their main customer base?

If you eliminate criminals and effeminate morons who think they have a Snowflakes chance in hell of defending themselves with their guns, they wouldn’t have many customers left.
11   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 15, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says

That's Bob's delusion and assertion, not errc's. Bob has yet provided any verifiable data to support it. Typical Liberal blather not based in fact.


Ah, ok. deleted then.
12   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 15, 8:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I own an old Ithaca Gentleman’s shotgun for skeet
13   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Oct 15, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Stupid is so entertaining.
Gun nuts just love to shoot at targets that can't shoot back.
So many idiots that have never been in a fire fight think an enemy stands still,in the open,unarmed
just like the cowards' paper target.
You so brave,kill that paper target!

All the gun nut assholes with their pistols could take out a target at 400 yards in Las Vegas.
Everyone knows that.
You can't stop the Pissed-off if they want you dead. They will not be sending you a warning.
Where were all the Good Guy,Redneck, White Trash, Country music loving, Rep/Con/Nazis with their arms in Las Vegas?
They are not living an illusion,they are just delusional.

Thank the founding fathers for knowing that Americans with firearms can take down ICBMs from North Korea & China.
14   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
When you say guns are being pipelined to criminals, can you provide proof, I'd be interested in reading more.


That's Bob's delusion and assertion, not errc's. Bob has yet provided any verifiable data to support it. Typical Liberal blather not based in fact.


I've provided verifiable data on thread after thread. Senility is so sad.

No you are not interested in reading more, that's pure bullshit. If you were you could google where do criminals get their guns as easily as I can.
15   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 11:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Here you go--this took about 3 seconds to find:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

"Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities."
16   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 1:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
You do know where these straw purchases are done, the "buyer" lies on the 4473 ATF form, so it is really a criminal buying a gun for another criminal. That is an illegal activity.

So, to refer to Bob's bullshit comment that legal owners selling their guns to criminals, well, he's just full of crap again.


Wow--that's really where you're going to go? lol.
17   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 1:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
Once again, totally wrong.


Talk to the ATF agent who said it. I'm sure you know much more than he does.
18   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 15, 4:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

You don't want voter ids, but do want to track gun owners? Get real!!!

errc says
Why does the NRA have a shit fit about the idea of tracking where guns go? Other than the fact the NRA today is a front tor the gun manufacturers who know damn well a good percentage of gun sales are being pipe lined to criminals but don't care as long as sales stay high.

—————-

What other industry would ever attack their main customer base?

If you eliminate criminals and effeminate morons who think they have a Snowflakes chance in hell of defending themselves with their guns, they wouldn’t have many customers left.
19   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 4:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
Ever fill out and sign a 4473 form??

Didn't think so.


In case you forgot--I'm not the author. You're arguing with an ATF study.

Pretty sure they've forgotten more than you know.
20   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 6:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
I asked you a specific question. Do you know what's on that form and what you attest to when you sign it.


And I answered that it doesn't matter. I didn't write the study so what I know or don't know doesn't matter in the slightest.

Are you claiming that the study author doesn't know what a 4473 form is?
21   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 6:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
That's because your clueless and didn't even read the quote you posted. If you understood what a straw purchase was, and how it gets processed, you'd understand that the "buyer" committed a felony by purchasing the firearm and committed a second felony giving it to his accomplice


The point is that the buyer is legally able to buy a gun. Obviously when he resells it to a criminal, he is breaking the law. I think everyone but you understands that.
22   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 15, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

So tatty is joeyjojojr, the person who cannot discern his gender?
me123 says
Sorry Tatty, please keep up.
23   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yep--I think I will stop now as everyone but you understands.
24   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 15, 7:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BlueSardine says
So tatty is joeyjojojr, the person who cannot discern his gender?
me123 says
Sorry Tatty, please keep up.


joeyjojojunior says
Yep
25   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 7:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says
Maybe now you can go learn on how a foreclosure can increase the building value and not the land value.


That answer is it can't.
26   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 15, 7:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

me123 says

A consistent answer emerges from the inmate surveys and from ethnographic studies. Whether guns that end up being used in crime are purchased, swapped, borrowed, shared or stolen, the most likely source is someone known to the offender, an acquaintance or family member.

(here's a HINT Tatty, those are ALL illegal transfers, not straw purchases).


and where did the someone known to the offender get the gun from to make the illegal transfer? Duh. Still waiting, and waiting, and waiting for an answer.

Give it up. Somewhere there is a breakdown in legal ownership either a straw purchaser with a wink/nod from a gunshop or a private sale. Again, why would you object to tracking all sales and punishing the seller as well as the buyer? Why doesn't NJ require a private seller to look at the FPIC and record the sale information with the state? You claim (hahahaha) to be a law abiding honest gun owner. Should only be a problem for you if you're selling guns to shady characters.
27   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 16, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Follow the money if you want the truth.
28   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 5, 6:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

What the F is going on with this shooting?

We know almost nothing. Did I hear right that they cremated the body?
29   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (32)   2018 Feb 5, 7:35pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

IF it's not belt fed, it's a hobby.

You might as well bring your pantyhose to a fight.
30   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 28, 9:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Another Month has gone by.

We know a helluva lot about Parkland, but nothing about Las Vegas, with 480 Casualties.
31   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 28, 9:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Another Month has gone by.

We know a helluva lot about Parkland, but nothing about Las Vegas, with 480 Casualties.


I'm not sure there's much else to Vegas honestly. The guy has some property that allowed him to be a drunk gambler. At his age and the amount of alcohol he was probably consuming at casinos, he was neurologically damaged likely. Combine that with it sounding like he was down on his gambling luck and you create a psychotic fuck. It would be nice to have a pretty bow on the gift box that is this investigation, but I don't think that will be the case here.

Remember that with today's media, with him being an older white guy, if there was something else there, we would know about it by now. It's not common, but seemingly normal people will just snap. Generally not in the shooting people type way, but it can happen as witnessed in Vegas in my opinion.
32   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 28, 9:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All I know is, if he were an NRA member or right leaning at all, we'd know it by now.
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 28, 12:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
All I know is, if he were an NRA member or right leaning at all, we'd know it by now.


I hear that he is a well known leftist activist, and the MSM is trying to cover it up.
34   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 28, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

WookieMan says
Remember that with today's media, with him being an older white guy, if there was something else there, we would know about it by now. It's not common, but seemingly normal people will just snap. Generally not in the shooting people type way, but it can happen as witnessed in Vegas in my opinion.


You make great points, but it would still be nice to get an official report or synopsis. So many loose threads here.

One reason we didn't see a "CNN Town Hall" on a much larger shooting, is because the political demographic of attendees of a Country Music Festival are a little different that a firmly Blue County like Broward, so they weren't going to get the "Witness Testimony/Opinions" that would serve the Great Narrative. CNN doesn't really want to put Joshua Clanton of Parump on TV Re: his gun-control views. Better a Baby Dyke and the Media intern-wannabe son of a Government Employee
35   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 28, 2:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
One reason we didn't see a "CNN Town Hall" on a much larger shooting, is because the political demographic of attendees of a Country Music Festival are a little different that a firmly Blue County like Broward, so they weren't going to get the "Witness Testimony/Opinions" that would serve the Great Narrative.


I don't disagree with this sentiment. The FL school shooting seems to have more political motivation behind the reporting (as witnessed early on that the shooter was a white nationalist or whatnot). I know you understand this from your past comments I've read here, but we all know the media is click driven. Kids died and quite frankly it's easier to get clicks to websites and advertisers. There's not much more to it. Dead kids make CNN and others money. Then the continued conversation about guns makes even more money.

Trump's Apprentice theme song was spot on. Not sure why this is so hard to figure out. The Las Vegas shooting stopped making money for networks. So they moved on. This stuff is literally like a script. I'm not a tin foil hat guy, but it's clear as a sunny day what is going on.
36   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 1, 5:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yes sir.

We finally have some news about the autopsies, including the shooter. Apparently he had some anti-anxiety med residue in his urine but not in his bloodstream (and therefore not under their influence), he also had no significant levels of alcohol or any other drugs in his bloodstream. He DID have some brain spots that are lightly associated with mental disorder, but not large or plentiful enough to conclude it was a brain disease.
37   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (32)   2018 Mar 1, 5:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Las Vegas and FL shootings were hoaxes except the part about the assailants being on aspirin.
38   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 1, 5:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

How about we keep our guns, never know when we'll need to take your entitlement to take our rights away from us, away from you.




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