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Stop electing Republicans. They're about to increase the per capita spending even more.

Nazis, Commies, and the elites all want more war, debt, and tyranny. What's the difference?

home says

Nazis, Commies, and the elites all want more war, debt, and tyranny. What's the difference?

Elect someone who is none of the above.

http://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/libertarian-party-helping-fulton-county-residents-fight-tax-hike/article_9ba9e4bc-5143-11e7-9ea9-f7ffb3bbb969.html

wow, 1941. Like no interstates, a military smaller than Portugal, no defense contractor and farmer welfare, no veterans benefits, no research spending, no agencies to keep us from literally eating shit in our food or stopping corporations dumping toxic waste all over the country., no interest on the debt, not fighting multiple wars, That 1941?

WTF?

The private market cannot build toll roads?

Do we need a massive military?

The private market cannot provide welfare?

The private market cannot provide research spending?

Do companies have a vested interest in putting shit in your food?

Wouldn't companies that pollute face a public relations nightmare and be sued?

Government is not the solution, but rather the cause of our problems.

anonymous says

The private market cannot build toll roads?

Is it better to pay tolls to a private company vs. paying taxes?

anonymous says

The private market cannot provide welfare?

No. I think history has shown that.

anonymous says

Do companies have a vested interest in putting shit in your food?

Yes, if the cost of lawsuits is less than the cost of not putting shit in your food.

anonymous says

Wouldn't companies that pollute face a public relations nightmare and be sued?

Yes, see above. It's a cost/benefit to them.

Would you rather be forced to pay for roads at the point of a gun or voluntarily pay a toll when you use a highway?

Did Americans just starve to death before there was food stamps?

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/04/blazers_owner_paul_allen_30_million_seattle_homeless.html
Who would eat from a company that sells food with shit in it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-biggest-corporate-pr-disasters-of-the-decade-2009-12?op=1/#ilip-morris-says-smoking-deaths-have-positive-effects-2001-2
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/07/colorado-river-epa-mine-wastewater-spill/31320641/
Government is not God.

One reason the US is a police state today is because Americans are weak sheep who have learned nothing from history.

https://www.srnnews.com/cambodians-remember-victims-of-killing-fields/

home says

Would you rather be forced to pay for roads at the point of a gun or voluntarily pay a toll when you use a highway?

Are you going to put tolls on every road? And personally, I find tolls to be a pretty crappy way to collect revenue--it slows down the commute, creates traffic jams, incentivizes idiotic travel behavior to avoid the toll booths, etc.

home says

Who would eat from a company that sells food with shit in it?

Nobody--once they know that there is shit in the food. What about the tens of thousands that ate it before anyone knew?

And fyi--I'm about as anti-police state as anyone you'll find. But I don't consider environmental and food regulations to be a police state.

Why pay for roads if you're not driving?

http://www.businessinsider.com/couple-buys-san-francisco-street-mansions-considers-charging-residents-for-parking-2017-8
Murder is illegal, but there are still murders. Does making
a law magically fix everything?

home says

http://www.businessinsider.com/couple-buys-san-francisco-street-mansions-considers-charging-residents-for-parking-2017-8
Murder is illegal, but there are still murders. Does making
a law magically fix everything?

I was waiting for this argument. It's a favorite of folks on pat.net. If a fix doesn't 100% completely solve everything then it's a failure, huh? By that standard there should be no laws, no rules, nothing. Complete anarchy! Apocalypse would definitely approve.

Anarchism is democracy taken seriously.

Can licenses be forged? Can inspectors be bribed?

A little government involvement is just as dangerous as a lot - because the first leads inevitably to the second.

home says

Anarchism is democracy taken seriously.

So why are you here? There are a number of places you would be better suited to live. Start with somalia.

The greatest thing about libertarian/anarchists is they are the first to come crying for government money when things go wrong.

joeyjojojunior says

it slows down the commute, creates traffic jams,

Really??

Ever hear of Ez-Pass?

me123 says

Really??

Ever hear of Ez-Pass?

Yep--I had one when I lived in your shithole state. Unfortunately EZ Pass doesn't work in every state so for many folks who live in nicer states, they must wait.

me123 says

You mean you can't use your EBT card to pay for tolls in the Shitcago area?

EZ pass works in IL as does IPASS. But, again, not everyone lives in NJ or IL. Try to think a little bigger.

joeyjojojunior says

Yep--I had one when I lived in your shithole state.

You lived in shitjersey too? My condolences.

Women,Blacks,Illegals,Muslims/ISIS,The Poor have never held a majority in govt.
Every problem America has is on the Useless,Stupid,White Male Republicans & Democrats.
Ds & Rs are FREE! to place the blame on someone else.
America's great because Americans have the Right to Die Dumb. This should be the First Amendment.
Rs & Ds have nothing,so sit there & STFU.

Einstein,Suck My Dick!
Doing the same thing over & over is not insane.It's fucking RETARDED.
There are mentally handicapped,here,that are riding on the ignorance wagon.

Nobody has pointed out that the tax rate in 1941 was much higher than it is now?

Nobody is going to point out that since 1941, military spending is in the stratosphere?

Nobody is going to adjust for inflation, asset or consumer inflation?

Talk about a rampantly misleading article.

HEY YOU says

Women,Blacks,Illegals,Muslims/ISIS,The Poor have never held a majority in govt.

And let's hope they never do.

Why should the patriots leave? Why don't the
Nazis and Commies leave?

me123 says

So, you think Ez-pass only works in IL and NJ.

wtf--are you really this idiotic? Where did I ever say that it only works in 2 states. All I said was it doesn't work in every state.

Americans are so fearful, brainwashed, dependent, or ignorant that they think like children and justify every law and overlook every abuse carried out by the government. They believe government workers are gods who can do no wrong.

Americans are so fat, degraded, and drugged up that they eagerly allow themselves to be molested to ride a bus, offer their fingerprints to get a driver license, and open their bags to be searched so they can ride a subway.

If Americans are asked about the US debt, they respond that it doesn't matter because it is not real money and doesn't need to be paid back. Americans say the police should be allowed to shoot people in the back. Americans believe people should be jailed for filming public buildings. Americans think endless wars are fine because US bombs are just gathering dust. Americans support government secrecy because the USA has enemies. Americans think taxes create more jobs than the free market can. Americans think government workers deserve high wages because they work hard. Americans think the economy should be destroyed to save the environment. Americans say that regulations encourage people to start companies. Americans think everyone accused of crimes are guilty. Americans say people should be in prison to keep the unemployment rate down. Americans would rather increase punishments for victimless nanny state laws instead of repealing them. Americans think the desires of neighbors are more important than the rights of property owners. Americans believe the government owns everything because the government is the people. Americans think billboards should be banned to protect the scenery. Americans want protesting to be outlawed because protesters might break windows. Americans think forcing people to stand for the national anthem means freedom. Americans think people are helpless so they need the government to force them to do everything.

When asked about gun control, Americans say it's needed for safety. If asked about free speech, Americans respond that no one should be offended. Americans think Muslims don't have religious rights because Islam is not a religion. Americans say asset forfeiture is fine because the police have been doing it for years. Americans defend NSA wiretapping because it's just metadata. Americans believe TSA groping is good since they have nothing to hide. Americans say torture is okay because other countries do it. Americans even say the Bill of Rights should be abolished because George Washington owned slaves!

The US is so degraded now that any Americans who oppose wars, debt, and tyranny will be called traitors, nutjobs, racists, Communists, or Fascists.

The collapse of the USA is disgusting and shameful.

Those who still support the government are just tools for the elites.

The US deserves everything coming to it.

You doubt that your great country is on the wane? I say only this - look around you.

me123 says

You implied that it only works in those states. Care to point out which states it doesn't work in your posts above.

Only to an idiot like you. I implied nothing of the sort.

When a man spends his own money to buy something for himself, he is very careful about how much he spends and how he spends it. When a man spends his own money to buy something for someone else, he is still very careful about how much he spends, but somewhat less what he spends it on. When a man spends someone else's money to buy something for himself, he is very careful about what he buys, but doesn't care at all how much he spends. And when a man spends someone else's money on someone else, he does't care how much he spends or what he spends it on. And that's government for you.

anonymous says

And that's government for you.

That's also private industry for you.

Private companies that waste money don't
last very long.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/02/news/companies/sports-authority-bankruptcy/index.html

Private companies that waste money don't last very long.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/02/news/companies/sports-authority-bankruptcy/index.html

home says

Private companies that waste money don'tlast very long.

lol--have you ever worked in private industry?

At least companies don't steal money from you like
the government does.

home says

At least companies don't steal money from you like
the government does.

They sure as hell do if they're able. And without government, they'll be able to a lot more easily.

Not many companies would last long if they stole money from customers.

Private companies are made up of people too. You realize this, yes?

If a private company screws you, you can boycott them.

If the government screws you, you are fucked.

Governments kill, beat, kidnap, torture, spy, and steal.

The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.

Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can't have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If someone was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man's worth couldn't be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorneys or politicians, therefore we couldn't cheat. We really were in a bad way before the white men came, and I don't know how we managed to get along without these basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society.

Who is Chinese?

There are no armies without government.

Amazon is not a monopoly. You can't go to Walmart?

If a private company screws you, you can boycott them.

The government is not your daddy. The government is not your mommy.

You cannot defend yourself?

home says

There are no armies without government

There aren't? Have you been to Africa?

If someone else can form an army then you can, too.

Saying that we can’t survive without the government, is like saying that animals can’t survive without farms.