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Who Gets Indicted On Monday?


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2017 Oct 28, 2:26pm   13,659 views  74 comments

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Who is it gonna be Patnet?

Edit to OP. Who gets arrested? Someone is already indicted, my mistake.

Poll question here: http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/sxserm/mueller-investigation

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1   WookieMan   2017 Oct 28, 3:16pm  

It's a poll....

I scanned the board and saw a lot of garbage. Figured it be nice to get X will be indicted without all the pissing matches that occur on almost every single thread here. Hence the post and poll. Is that a problem? I had no intention of getting comments here, just answers to a poll. Not sure what the issue is with this. It doesn't infringe on your post at all.
2   WookieMan   2017 Oct 28, 3:44pm  

PCGyver says
Better off not letting him get under your skin

No one here gets under my skin, except the bots. Non-bots, I just ignore (without using the ignore function. They win with that, although I'm not sure you can see who ignores who anymore).

I was just stating what I believe to be are obvious facts, the board has been spammed by actual humans with this Russia shit, garbage. As it sits at this moment there are 5 threads on Russian BS, excluding my poll. This is low compared to the previous 48 hours. All of these threads end in the same results. Pissing insults at each other.

I created an anonymous poll, that I cannot track anything on and was just interested what people here would answer without any of the typical BS. I will post the results later tomorrow if there are enough responses or Monday morning. I just wanted to be clear with Sniper that nothing I did prevented everyone from their usual golden showers. I seriously had the only intention of having one comment, and that was the results of the poll.
3   WookieMan   2017 Oct 28, 4:06pm  

I should have prefaced the OP with the fact I didn't want comments. That's on me. So no problem with the comments so far. That said.

It obviously hasn't gotten in the mud yet, but I get the sense we're standing on the grass next to the mud pit. Let's stay in the grass guys.
4   WookieMan   2017 Oct 28, 4:38pm  

Sniper says
Why do you hate facts?

I never said there weren't facts. What I'm commenting on is the pissing matches. There can be facts, I don't deny that. But a large percentage of threads on the board ultimately end in name calling and golden showers, regardless of facts. And that's fine, I won't partake in that. I'm not particularly fond of being wet unless it's swimming in the Caribbean.

You guys are free to do and say what you want. I just wanted to get a no BS feel/vote for how people felt on who they thought was going to get cuffed on Monday.
5   WookieMan   2017 Oct 28, 4:40pm  

Did you vote Sniper? That was the only purpose of this thread.
6   HEY YOU   2017 Oct 28, 5:04pm  

Hopefully all Republican & Democrat voters,their actions are criminal.
7   RC2006   2017 Oct 28, 5:19pm  

I think leaders of DNC or Hillary would be the best for healing the country and giving democrats an out and somebody to blame, but it will probably be Manafort leave everybody wishing for more.
8   Booger   2017 Oct 28, 5:30pm  

Poll will only let you select one???
9   Ceffer   2017 Oct 28, 6:05pm  

I voted Barron. He looks like a little weasel.
10   CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 28, 6:09pm  

Id vote for manafort but since I like to be different, ill go w my darkhlrse pick John podesta
11   WookieMan   2017 Oct 29, 6:26am  

Sniper says
You said you scanned the board and saw a lot of garbage. Apparently, if the current threads don't match the "tribe" you're attached to, you consider the topics "garbage". Is that correct?

Fortunately I don't belong to a tribe. Belonging to any "tribe" is a losing proposition. I'm only into winning. Plus, even when a "tribe" is correct here, they turn into the fat third grader at the playground and bloviate how they won something of no consequence.

Sniper says
If you don't like the topics of the current threads, feel free to start some higher quality ones that would be of interest to all readers so they can join in.

I have started other threads. Sometime they're good, sometimes they're bad. Sarcasm begin - I work daily and strive to provide the most top notch content I can for Patnet. I've lurked forever here. But I have a new goal in life to be Patnet's best content provider and of course its most loved user. - Sarcasm end My opinion is the comments are bad much of the time. If you don't like the content I post, awesome. I can't make everyone happy. That would be an unrealistic goal. And I get I can go somewhere else if I don't like it here. I don't want to.

Sniper says
They just bitch and complain about what OTHER people have posted. Interestingly, all these whiners come from one "tribe" here. Why is that?

Which people or "tribe" have I specifically targeted? I'll go after bots and our no longer active tin foil hat man Gary. I'm pretty balanced and I think my short history of posting here displays that.

I've posted this before, I don't get into pissing matches about opinions. Many of the OP's created are fine, it's just the comments turn into garbage very quickly on most threads. This is my opinion and I'm not going to argue over it. This will probably be my last comment on this thread addressing this topic of how many/most/majority of threads on the board spiral into a nuclear powered and sustained dumpster fire.

Thank you for voting, I appreciate it.
12   WookieMan   2017 Oct 29, 7:50am  

Sniper says
Just wondering, who did YOU pick?

I didn't vote yet. Going to review the answers now and will post shortly who I think it will be. Plus results will be out later tonight or tomorrow morning if I remember.

On a side note, did anyone look up Karen Lewis, the joke option? She a real hoot here in Chicago. She has some health issues, so I wish her no ill will, but she's a part of a "tribe" that I'm not a big fan of. The oxymoron that public unions are.
13   WookieMan   2017 Oct 29, 8:14am  

Ok, so I'm thinking it will be Paul Manafort. There's already been enough smoke coming from his direction and my guess is he slipped up on something. I don't necessarily think it is directly pertaining to Russia though. Probably just a stumbled upon transgression the investigation discovered. If it is him, I'd actually be surprised if it an offense that would even result in jail time. Probably a slap on the wrist. The reality is you can't be in charge of an investigation like this and not find anything. I'd bet anyone on this board would be guilty of something if the full resources of the FBI and government were put towards investigating you. It's just a question to what degree, minor or major, was your transgression.

I know these investigations can run years, but if something improper to the level suggested occurred, someone would have talked by now. Someone would blow the whistle by now to get their 15 minutes of fame and multi-million dollar book deal. Donald and Hillary are massive targets. Prison time type of transgressions likely would have been levied against either by now. While I'm not a fan of either, I think both sides of this are on a witch hunt. And I could of course be proven wrong, but I tend to go with my gut on things like this.

Come Monday I could be completely wrong. Feel free to steamroll me then if wrong. My gut has worked well for me in the past. I will continue to trust it, my gut.
14   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Oct 29, 10:45am  

I voted for Manafort, but think Flynn is a worthy guess. Hillary is a wishful thinking vote.
15   MrMagic   2017 Oct 29, 11:04am  

@Patrick

Looks like "include image" link on individual threads disappeared by the Comment box. It only shows on the "New Post" page.
17   Booger   2017 Oct 29, 11:27am  

As much as I'd like to see Hillary, I think someone else will take the fall for her.
18   Goran_K   2017 Oct 29, 11:28am  

If it’s not Hillary Clinton then I don’t care and freedom has no meaning.
19   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 11:33am  

It's almost certainly Manafort. There's a ton of smoke on him and lots of leaks about money laundering in his past.

Anyone who seriously thinks it might be Hillary is crazy. We'd be hearing about interviews with Huma, Podesta, etc. long before she gets indicted. It's several months away if it comes to pass.
20   CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 29, 11:58am  

Yeah Manafort is overwhelming odds on favorite.

If this were horse racing of put a 100 to 1 bet on Tony Podesta though.
21   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 29, 12:55pm  

Probably Manafort - and much of it will lead to Podesta, for whom Manafort was employed.

Meuller's bias will be demonstrated or not as to whether Manafort is arrested and left at only Manafort, or if Manafort's arrest leads to the Podestas, for whom Manafort worked for, including the Podesta Group Clients, associated with Yankuvytch (and thus, Russia).
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 29, 12:58pm  

The Podesta Group belatedly filed several new disclosures with the Justice Department on Aug. 17 related to work the firm completed between 2012 and 2014 on behalf of a pro-Russia Ukrainian think tank.

Back in April, the powerful Washington lobbying firm run by Clinton ally Tony Podesta filed a document admitting its work for the pro-Russia European Centre for a Modern Ukraine may have principally benefited a foreign government. New disclosures revealed dozens of previously unreported interactions the firm made with influential government offices, including Hillary Clinton's State Department and the office of former Vice President Joe Biden, while lobbying on behalf of the center. Embattled ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort failed to disclose his extensive lobbying efforts on behalf of the center at the time as well.

Anyone lobbying or doing public relations on behalf of foreign governments is required to register as a foreign agent in compliance with the Foreign Agents Registration Act. The Aug. 17 filings include short-form registration statements for six Podesta Group employees and an amendment to the firm's registration statement that includes a list of political contributions made by relevant employees throughout 2013.

A review of those donations shows both parties received cash from Podesta Group lobbyists.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-do-you-say-whoops-in-russian-podesta-group-retroactively-files-more-doj-disclosures-for-pro-putin-work/article/2632538
It'll be bizarre if Manafort is charged for not disclosing information in a timely manner, but Podesta sails scot free.
23   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 12:58pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Meuller's bias


He's a Republican. To what bias do you refer?
24   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 29, 1:00pm  

Imagine the Media's Reaction if Trump paid Russian Sources via a third party to develop a Dirty Dossier on his opponents, did it via Michael Cohen and failed to disclose it in FEC paperwork, just a few years after selling 20% of US Uranium to Russia, whose various actors deposited millions in Trump Charity Funds.
25   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 1:05pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Imagine the Media's Reaction if Trump paid Russian Sources via a third party to develop a Dirty Dossier on his opponents, did it via Michael Cohen and failed to disclose it in FEC paperwork, just a few years after selling 20% of US Uranium to Russia, whose various actors deposited millions in Trump Charity Funds.


Will you stop with the dirty dossier nonsense. If Trump paid for oppo research the media would have ignored it because it's standard operating practice.

The only reason it would be dirty is because of Trump's behavior.
26   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 1:24pm  

Sniper says
Did Donald Trump Jr. break the law by meeting with Russians to gain dirt on Clinton?


I think the jury is still out on that one. Collusion between the President and the Russian government to get elected is big news and this meeting is definitely some evidence so the media obviously covered it.
27   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 1:34pm  

Here's the key CIC--there is no evidence of any payment for the info that the Russian lawyer was set to provide. Unless you are really naïve, you understand that very few people do things for free--certainly not Russian intelligence. So, the question then becomes, what exactly was promised to the Russian lawyer to get her to arrange this meeting and give up all this intel?

That's why it's different than simply paying for oppo research.
28   Patrick   2017 Oct 29, 4:03pm  

Sniper says
Looks like "include image" link on individual threads disappeared by the Comment box. It only shows on the "New Post" page.


@Sniper thanks for telling me. Should be back now.
29   MrMagic   2017 Oct 29, 4:34pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Probably Manafort - and much of it will lead to Podesta, for whom Manafort was employed.


I saw this "flow chart" some where else. Anything is possible:

Manafort-->Podestas
Podestas-->Dossier
Dossier-->Clinton Foundation/Cankles/DNC/Uranium 1
All-->Zero (Obama)
30   anonymous   2017 Oct 29, 4:35pm  

I find it hilarious that some of you think Clinton is going to be indicted. NO chance.
31   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 4:53pm  

Patrick says
@Sniper thanks for telling me. Should be back now.


Thanks Patrick. God forbid we go a day without 1,000 dumb memes on this site.
32   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 29, 6:11pm  

joeyjojojunior says
. If Trump paid for oppo research the media would have ignored it because it's standard operating practice.


You missed the other points I made that put it in context of other activities. Read it again.

Sniper says
Wait, Trump Jr, sent a few emails and had a short meeting with a Russian Lawyer. Why isn't he in Gitmo right now? He committed a Felony, right?


Yup. DJT Jr. I believe said the recognized in the first few minutes the guy was a crank and ended the meeting.

The problem with the Trump-Russia collusion is there is no quid for the pro quo.

Whereas for the Podesta-Ukraine, Hillary/Clinton Foundation-UraniumOne/Rosneft Affiliates, and Clinton/DNC-Dirty Dossier, there are paper trails and actual transaction evidence for ALL of them
33   WookieMan   2017 Oct 29, 6:35pm  

Great job guys. I really have no idea if people could vote multiple times, but we had 34 replies. I couldn't get it to format correctly, so had to take a couple screen shots of the results. Sounds like it's gonna be Manafort. I know this was my personal pick as well. I'm still confused why the indictment was sealed though. I think there is maybe a 20% chance we could be blindsided tomorrow when word breaks.

34   WookieMan   2017 Oct 29, 6:40pm  

Who picked Karen and do you know what she's all about? I assume you do or it was a smart ass pick just like me being a smart ass including her in the poll. I'm a little disappointed Barron didn't get any love. But I feel like maybe people took the poll seriously, which isn't bad.
35   WookieMan   2017 Oct 29, 6:41pm  

I'm also a little sensitive. Who down voted this thread? Not cool... Not cool.
36   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 6:56pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Yup. DJT Jr. I believe said the recognized in the first few minutes the guy was a crank and ended the meeting.

The problem with the Trump-Russia collusion is there is no quid for the pro quo.

Whereas for the Podesta-Ukraine, Hillary/Clinton Foundation-UraniumOne/Rosneft Affiliates, and Clinton/DNC-Dirty Dossier, there are paper trails and actual transaction evidence for ALL of them


Well, I believe Clinton said that was no quid pro quo on the Uranium deal too, so according to your DJT Jr. standard, I guess that means there is nothing there, right?

I love that you continue with the "dirty" dossier though. Oooh, it's dirty! Must be something there!
37   MrMagic   2017 Oct 29, 7:29pm  

WookieMan says
Sounds like it's gonna be Manafort.


That's the way the MSM has been leaning, but they haven't been correct yet on the whole Russian Collusion theme so far, so it could just be a smoke screen. From what I'm reading, if it is Manafort, it will be for financial issues WAY before he was part of the Trump campaign, which wouldn't make sense, if Mueller was ONLY investigating Russia and election issues in 2016.
38   CBOEtrader   2017 Oct 29, 7:47pm  

joeyjojojunior says
Collusion between the President and the Russian government


No evidence trump dis anything of the sort. There is however massive evidence that hillary did exactly that... Yet trump is guilty because of his "behavior" and Clinton is in your tribe, so no biggie.

Did I get that right?
39   joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 29, 7:57pm  

CBOEtrader says
No evidence trump dis anything of the sort. There is however massive evidence that hillary did exactly that... Yet trump is guilty because of his "behavior" and Clinton is in your tribe, so no biggie.

Did I get that right?


Nope, not in the slightest. There is a fair bit of evidence in the public realm and likely much more than hasn't been made public yet.

I've yet to see any evidence of Clinton's collusion, but I'm definitely open to believing it. Please link to whatever evidence I'm missing, but I hope it's not an anonymous source claiming something. McGee has already made clear that all anonymous sources are lying and cannot be trusted.
40   anonymous   2017 Oct 29, 9:18pm  

Looks like MSM is cranking out election meddling involving Trump campaign. Then again, they can simply rehash what they've already been tracking, with the added "news" being a leak of a sealed indictment.

This does read like a momentum recapture attempt in light of the shifting narrative towards the DNC and HRC (and even Mueller himself). That story is enormous and implicates the entire Obama admin and a bunch of Republicans as corrupt and treasonous. A catastrophic failure of government function, national security, and law & order took place there and Russia was a major player. The timing of this indictment is absolutely ridiculous and makes Mueller look that much worse.

It's time for Sessions to shut this farce down and refocus it on the real issues and the real players. The goddamn FBI has been in possession for over a year now of enough evidence to lock HRC up. This is becoming worse than what they had feared by avoiding doing their jobs before the election. The longer they drag this out, the more divided the country becomes, and the more its adversaries lick their chops.

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