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Manafort is guilty...

By Quigley following x   2017 Oct 31, 7:15am 3,307 views   52 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/31/tymoshenko-warned-us-about-paul-manafort
Looks like this guy has been doing illegal and immoral stuff for a long time and that’s how he got rich. As Voltaire said: “Behind every great fortune lies a great crime.”

As for his relation to Trump, well, the Donald has been known to take bad advice from people he thinks are “tremendous” and “terrific.” At least he fired Manafort after a few months when this corruption became known...

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13   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 8:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Manafort was funneled to the Trump campaign by insiders with full knowledge of his Russian connection and corruption


I am sure one of these days, the left will accused of planting Trump in the Republican party and breaking it up. Trumpites are grasping for starws
14   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 8:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Manafort was a power figure in politics for a long time. trump fired him, the moment he found out-just like he fired Flynn


You do realize it took a leaked memo to media, to make Trump fire Flynn from a very sensitive post.
15   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 8:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Great to know. I cna pay an intermediary to do any crime-since I neevr paid the criminal directly-I am not guilty-liberal logic 101.

It's not just liberal logic. It's the law. If I pay you to do research, and you contract it out to another firm, and that firm is guilty of fraud, that doesn't make me guilty. I'm only guilty if I know of and condone said fraud.
16   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 8:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
ou do realize it took a leaked memo to media, to make Trump fire Flynn from a very sensitive post.

But he fired him did he not.
17   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 8:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YesYNot says
t's not just liberal logic. It's the law. If I pay you to do research, and you contract it out to another firm, and that firm is guilty of fraud, that doesn't make me guilty. I'm only guilty if I know of and condone said fraud.

Liek I said, I just pay 12 million to soemone conencted witht eh Russian mob and hey I didn't know-so I am not responsible. YOu guys are rich. This is going to boomerang big time-145 million dollars from the Russians-LOL!! With that record you guys ahd the gall to sound the Russia drumbeat-happens with liberals-they are always so sure of themselves-pure and above reproach.
18   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
she got 145 million from the Russians just as she signed off on giving 20% of our uranium tot eh Russians. You guys-come on now.

This is of course bullshit. You probably don't even realize it. First, Nobody gave Russia 20% of our Uranium. Second, go back and read the timeline. Most of the money was donated before her campaign in 2008. It was donated by a guy who sold his stake in the Uranium company before the deal with Rosatum, so he was divested. It was also donated to a charity organization that the Clintons led. How much of that money was transferred to Clinton's private accounts?
Hillary haters are stuck in a circular logic. They assume that deal X is full on corruption because it involves the Clintons, and then they use deal X to prove that the Clintons are corrupt. This whole Uranium deal is constantly mischaracterized.
19   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 31, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
lostand confused says
Manafort was working with the Podesta group for Russian lobbying. Hilalry paid the Russsians-oh never mind-that is just normal stuff. Hillary never fired Podesta did she oh and she got what 145 million from the Russian interests just around the Uranium one deal-this should get interesting?


So then why did Trump bring him on his team then?


To help get the votes at the convention.
20   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 9:10am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YesYNot says
Hillary lovers are stuck in a circular logic

Corrected it for you.
21   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 9:14am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Manafort now, Hillary next.
22   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 31, 9:15am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YesYNot says
As for Obama - people who hate him would hate him regardless of what he did. On the one hand, he spied on Trump! On the other, he didn't save Trump from Manafort. As it is, he didn't do enough to stop Russian meddling in the election. If he did more, he would be interfering in the election to help Hillary.


Obama also didn't fire a guy who perjured himself to the Senate about his illegal warantless wiretapping that involved Millions. Clapper, who went on for years to serve right until the last days of the Obama Administration.

"Most Transparent Administration Ever"
23   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 31, 9:16am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Manafort now, Hillary next.


Podesta next, I think. He wouldn't have resigned if he wasn't hearing credible sources say he was being investigated, also.
24   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 31, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
YesYNot says
As for Obama - people who hate him would hate him regardless of what he did. On the one hand, he spied on Trump! On the other, he didn't save Trump from Manafort. As it is, he didn't do enough to stop Russian meddling in the election. If he did more, he would be interfering in the election to help Hillary.


Obama also didn't fire a guy who perjured himself to the Senate about his illegal warantless wiretapping that involved Millions. Clapper.


So why hasn’t Trump fired Sessions yet?
25   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There's no sugar coating the decision to hire Manfort. It was a bad hire. Yes, there are always going to be mistakes in hiring, but this one was bad either way. You can't just say mistakes happen in hiring and it goes away. So I do fall in line with the side that says Trump was an idiot for hiring the guy.

With that said, Manafort's roll in the campaign was a blink of your eye in the terms of the presidential campaign (June to August). He was fired literally 2-3 months before a presidential election. I'm not sure that's happened in the history of presidential elections (I didn't look this up at all), firing your campaign manager that close to the actual election. We all know Trump is boisterous, he could have just brushed this under the rug and kept Manafort on. He didn't. While Manafort should have NEVER been hired, Trump did have the balls to fire him 2-3 months before the election. I know that does contradict my previous statement, but you can't not account for it.

And so far the only Manafort charge that "looks" bad to team Trump is the "conspiracy against the US" charge. When you account for all his other charges, it's no wonder they tacked that one on. But I don't think these charges have anything to do with the election or Russia, which was the whole point of this special counsel.

One has to question how this guy (Manafort) was a DC staple and all his BS "supposedly" went under the radar. Had a lobbying firm and was laundering money. Trump missed it as I mentioned, so that was stupid. But Hillary, Obama & all the Democrats didn't have anything on Manafort prior to him even being named to the Trump campaign? They had months between his firing over his connections to Ukraine to find something and they couldn't. At this point it's not even about Hillary being a poor choice as a candidate, it's just plain stupidity that they couldn't bury Trump at that time over this guy.

I'm putting my tin foil hat on. This whole story doesn't seem to add up to me. Hillary was the anointed one. She had a democrat in the White House and could easily have used government resources plus her past connections as SOS. And she lost to Trump. They paid for the dossier. So they were clearly trying to link Trump to Russia. Manafort was a sitting duck target and they couldn't get anything to knock Trump out for months? She was either just lazy and stupid or there's some other connection here with all the people involved. Tin foil hat off.
26   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 9:20am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
mell says
Manafort now, Hillary next.


Podesta next, I think. He wouldn't have resigned if he wasn't hearing credible sources say he was being investigated, also.


Yeah, probably. We have never been this close to clean up the HRC swamp. It's though entirely possible they stop again after a few pawn sacrifices, like Madoff was coined the Hitler of Wall Street while the rest of the bankstas got bailed out and continued their ponzi schemes.
27   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 9:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PCGyver says
Quigley says
PCGyver says
Apparently Trump isn't as smart as his supporters think he is.


He’s not that smart! He’s arrogant and sometimes venal, with an ego that blinds him to his failings. However, he’s the only guy we got for the job right now. I dream of a day when we get a truly MAGA POTUS in the White House. Trump is the placeholder we got, The wrecking ball necessary to blow past the Deep State apparatus and begin to recapture America for its citizens.


I do get it. I was hoping For some change with Obama but when he didn't fulfill his promises I knew I'd been duped. I didn't vote for him a second time. Hopefully there is one out there who can deliver us from the deep state(crony capitalism?). I think much needs to be burned down for this person to rise from the ashes and maybe that is what...


When the state of affairs is that rotten and corrupted on both aisles, you need an elephant in the China shop like Trump, nobody else can shatter the goo of corruption and - accidentally and purposely - unveil misdeeds and cronyism. MAGA!
28   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 9:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Trump did have the balls to fire him 2-3 months before the election. I know that does contradict my previous statement, but you can't not account for it.
Trump didn't have the balls to fire Manafort. He took a bunch of money from the Mercers who installed their people - Bannon and Kellyanne.
29   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 9:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
How would have Trump known about Manafort's private financial dealings?


Have you heard of "vetting"? That's what most competent people do before they hire someone to be campaign manager.
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 31, 10:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
At least he fired Manafort after a few months when this corruption became known...


I think "when his corruption became known" is a bit more of "when his corruption became unavoidable and widely publicized". Essentially, when Manafort's ill dealings started to become an issue for the campaign, that's when it mattered. Manafort's background before then? It wasn't a concern. He was their desired political gun for hire, and they hired him.

"A faith that makes losing a sin will make cheating a sacrament."

Hiring "the best" people seems to be pretty hard for Trump. Maybe it is because Trump really doesn't care about how the game is played. Right?
31   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 10:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says
Have you heard of "vetting"? That's what most competent people do before they hire someone to be campaign manager.


Oh, you mean like Hillary did with John Podesta, Spirit Cooker, and co-conspirator with Manafort in the Ukraine?
I guess these are qualities she approves of! Which is actually no surprise.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 31, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
How would have Trump known about Manafort's private financial dealings?


Background checks and scrutiny before staffing are 100% Trump and his administrations issue. All major corporations and institutions rely on this. They have zero business holding the oval if they cannot do the simple things.

Manafort's dealings were already causing enough concern on the hill, before he made his way into camp Trump, to raise quite a few eyebrows. Manafort had little care for who was paying him and for what cause.

Only AFTER Manafort's issues started capturing major headlines, in the press, did Trump and the campaign suddenly care. The point being, Manafort's corruption wasn't an issue for camp Trump, until it was an issue.

So ask yourself, if that is the care and thought that went into how the administration was built, what more do you think Mueller will find?
33   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 10:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I want more-I want this to explode. repubs, dems all caught and fingering each other-let the whole lot fall down and all their wicked corrupt deeds exposed-this is a once ina life time opportunity.
34   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Oh, you mean like Hillary did with John Podesta, Spirit Cooker, and co-conspirator with Manafort in the Ukraine?
I guess these are qualities she approves of! Which is actually no surprise


Why do you always equate things with Hillary? Who cares what Hillary does?

Since Hillary didn't vet, that means Trump doesn't have to?
35   bob2356   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 31, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

Great to know. I cna pay an intermediary to do any crime-since I neevr paid the criminal directly-I am not guilty-liberal logic 101. She kne wwhat she was doing-12 million is not chump change.


Didn't any one learn anything about law in US Government 101? The key word you are missing is knowingly. It's a crime if you knowingly pay an intermediary to do a crime. Post anything you have that documents htc's campaign knew where the money was being spent. This is the point where we listen to crickets chirp for a long time.
36   bob2356   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 31, 11:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Oh, you mean like Hillary did with John Podesta, Spirit Cooker, and co-conspirator with Manafort in the Ukraine?
I guess these are qualities she approves of! Which is actually no surpris


You are confused, Tony Podesta was working with Manafort. John Podesta was hrc campaign manager. Don't let pesky facts interfere with a good rant though.
37   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Oct 31, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Where's the indictments for Patnetters.
Damn! Stupidism is not a crime.
38   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 31, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
I want more-I want this to explode. repubs, dems all caught and fingering each other-let the whole lot fall down and all their wicked corrupt deeds exposed-this is a once ina life time opportunity.


None of this is happening. The Trump administration is in a pressure cooker and the explosion is going to be tightly contained and destroy everyone that you believe in, especially Trump himself. Your movement is never going to recover and it's going to be the radical left's turn next.
39   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yulia is hot. Do you think Trump got to grab her pussy?
40   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 31, 11:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Donkey admin turned a blind eye to all these shenanigans because they were dead-set on "peregruzka", being "flexible with Vlad" and all that jazz.
41   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 31, 11:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Tim Aurora says
ou do realize it took a leaked memo to media, to make Trump fire Flynn from a very sensitive post.

But he fired him did he not.


It was weeks after he was told about Flynn's involvement. Only after intense media pressure and a criticized leaked memo he reluctantly agreed to fire Flynn.
42   bob2356   ignore (3)   2017 Oct 31, 12:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PCGyver says
The all knowing piggy. You got proof of those facts?


Sure he does, we will see them the twelfth of never. Piggy is on the roll today.
43   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 12:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
You mean the same background checks and investigations Obama's administration (the FBI and IRS) did on Manafort?


He wasn't Obama's campaign manager.
44   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 31, 12:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PCGyver says
The all knowing piggy. You got proof of those facts?

If it supports his narrative, it's a FACT(tm).
45   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 31, 12:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YesYNot says
If it supports his narrative, it's a FACT


Did I use a WaPo or NYT link to support it?
46   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 12:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

He's asking you to prove that the Podestas were in contact that whole time. You said it's a FACT that they do.

Please provide the proof.

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