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New: moderators per topic

By Patrick following x   2017 Nov 5, 7:59pm 6,933 views   767 comments   watch   quote     share  


At the suggestion of the late Turtledove I'm trying to separate the site into distinct topics with a moderator for each topic.
#patnet

The first moderator is Iwog, who is in charge of Investing.

Currently, the only power a moderator has is ability to delete comments in that topic. But soon (like within the next week) I hope to implement these other abilities:

ability to delete whole posts in the topic
set or edit "About ${topic}" page
acceptance or rejection of posts waiting for moderation in topic
acceptance or rejection of comments waiting for moderation in topic
ability to free jailed comments in topic
user blacklist by ip or username for that topic
user whitelist for that topic (only those users would be allowed to comment)
ability to set a background image for the topic, and color scheme
ability to set up own donation link for the work

Anyone care to moderate a specific topic? @Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

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728 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 8:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
Computers are comfortingly reasonable and consistent by comparison with people.


I knew it, the robotics are taking over. Good thing is, my burger will be just the way I want it.
729 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 8:42pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This has turned into an eerie person cult with occasional sightings of sbh. Let's go back to discussing topics with whomever wants to.
730 HowdyThere   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 8:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
It does seem to be a problem, so I have blocked anonymous commenting for now.


And the bestest post ever was lost that I drafted as anon_62240. Grrr.

anon_62240 says
As an anon, I agree. It would inconvenience me to have to get a random e-mail account and pick a user name (current favourite is Howdy There), but I'd get over it.


So I did this. The space between 'Howdy' and 'There' wasn't possible, but you get the idea.
731 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

HowdyThere says
And the bestest post ever was lost that I drafted as anon_62240. Grrr.

You gonna redo the post? Always copy and paste your post before hitting submit in some other app or program. Patrick can be making changes at any time and you'll lose what you typed if you started before the change and hit submit after it. Has happened to me on about 3-4 occasions. Not his fault, life just sometime prevents me from typing something up for more than 3 minutes and I have to come back to it 40 minutes later after a site change was made.
732 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Shit, I didn't realize I was causing that kind of trouble for users.

OK, there should be auto-save of drafts every minute or so. On the list.
733 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 9:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

rpanic01 says
LOL wow over 700 posts on this thread and 100 on the Goran shouldn't be a mod thread in just 100 day, might be your most popular posts ever Patrick. Goran has become more popular than Trump here lol.


No, only Rosie O’ Donnell.
734 HowdyThere   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

WookieMan says
You gonna redo the post?


Would like too. Didn't e-copy (too newbie :( ) Can't find the quote I was responding to. The gist was that I don't think Iwog and Dan left because of a poster or two (poster or two is a paraphrase from the quote I can't find). My theory is they left because the site had changed to much from the housing site in which they invested so much. I posted in another thread that I think the left and right are both doing some big time messaging, and I think the right side has taken hold. I think both are bogus (I'm a fiscal conservative with liberal social views) and I find neither memes work for me. I can see Iwog and Dan throwing in the towel because Patnet has become foreign terrain.
735 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:37pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

It definitely did devolve into a less useful site because of all the insults being flung about, and because it's mostly not about housing now.

I actually toured open houses over the weekend, and may finally buy something if I can do it with zero debt. So I'll probably be writing more about housing in the coming months.
736 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 9:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Patrick says
It definitely did devolve into a less useful site because of all the insults being flung about, and because it's mostly not about housing now.

I actually toured open houses over the weekend, and may finally buy something if I can do it with zero debt. So I'll probably be writing more about housing in the coming months.



Congratulations, I hope it works out for you. I look forward to hearing more about your experiences.
737 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 13, 9:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

mell says
This has turned into an eerie person cult with occasional sightings of sbh.


You noticed that too!
738 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 9:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Patrick says
Lol, I really don't get the level of vitriol. But then I am admittedly slightly above zero on the autism spectrum. Computers are comfortingly reasonable and consistent by comparison with people.


C’mon now Patrick....you’ve moved politically to the right in large part due to how vitriolic the left has become over the last 5-6 years.
739 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 9:56pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Patrick says
rpanic01 says
I think you should do away with the anons.


It does seem to be a problem, so I have blocked anonymous commenting for now.


Thank you for that.
740 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 9:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
KimJongUn says
And how the fuck do you propose to implement this kind of policy?


Weren't you the one who said insisting that someone answer a question was trolling? Gotta love right wingers and their war against logic and reason. lol


That position exists literally no where. It’s possibly the absolute worst idea IWOG ever had.

How would you enforce such a rule and besides IWOG, who would care one way or the other? It’s the internet and there’s thousands upon thousands of places to go post if you were to get kicked off a site for failing to answer questions. I don’t know who you are, but your disconnect from reality is quite large.
741 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 13, 10:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
Patrick says
rpanic01 says
I think you should do away with the anons.


It does seem to be a problem, so I have blocked anonymous commenting for now.


Thank you for that.


If you go look at the "Users" page and sort by "Registered" date, in the last 6 days, there's been like 200 Anons registered and maybe 4 or 5 new regular user screen names.
742 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 10:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
C’mon now Patrick....you’ve moved politically to the right in large part due to how vitriolic the left has become over the last 5-6 years.


I think I just understand things better now that I'm a bit older. It's a classic progression, lots of people change the same way.

"If you're young and conservative, you have no heart. If you're old and liberal, you have no brain."
743 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 4:24am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
Fucking White Male says
C’mon now Patrick....you’ve moved politically to the right in large part due to how vitriolic the left has become over the last 5-6 years.


I think I just understand things better now that I'm a bit older. It's a classic progression, lots of people change the same way.

"If you're young and conservative, you have no heart. If you're old and liberal, you have no brain."


So what is the logic here? You’re older and wiser, so now you’re a Republican? It doesn’t make any sense, there’s nothing earned or gained in becoming a right winger. It’s much more devolution than it is progression, which is exactly why people like you can never answer any questions. If you ever snap out of the k-hole of propaganda that captures the exact same crowd of people susceptible to nonsense like Christianity and Fox News, Rush Limbaugh etc, you’d be like “what the fuck is wrong with me?”.


President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
744 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 5:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

For "people like you" they have convinced you that the lowest liberal atheist is better than the best Christian Conservative. So you don't care they are picking your pockets either, in fact you empty them gladly for Clinton, Gore, or whoever represents their movement. You have become your own enemy, and the very person you seek to denounce in your quotation of LBJ.
745 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 5:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

For "people like you" they have convinced you that the lowest liberal atheist is better than the best Christian Conservative. So you don't care they are picking your pockets either, in fact you empty them gladly for Clinton, Gore, or whoever represents their movement. You have become your own enemy, and the very person you seek to denounce in your quotation of LBJ.


How do you figure? You seem to be assigning positions to me that don’t actually exist. I’ve never voted for, nor supported any Clinton, Gore, or any other Democrats for that matter.

I was nothing but critical of Obama during his presidency. I was also one of the first to jump in with Anyone But Clinton in 2016. I just feel it’s much more important to focus on the party in power, then to continually harp on the powerless losers.

I don’t have any problem with the Christian Church existing here, that is their right. I do take issue with having to subsidize their existence, especially with them disrespecting the Constitution and interfering with our Laws. There needs to be a separation of church and state, or else you end up with horrible, inefficient and insanely expensive laws and bad policy, like the War on Drugs and our mess of a healthcare system
746 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 6:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.
747 PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@errc said "I don’t have any problem with the Christian Church existing here, that is their right. I do take issue with having to subsidize their existence, especially with them disrespecting the Constitution and interfering with our Laws. There needs to be a separation of church and state, or else you end up with horrible, inefficient and insanely expensive laws and bad policy, like the War on Drugs and our mess of a healthcare system"

On this we agree. But healthcare is a mess because the money (insurance and pharmacy) have rigged it in their favor at the expense of the rest of us. It has nothing to do with Christianity. And the war on drugs is less about Christianity than it is about money too. Pharma, tobacco and alcohol don't want the competition and medicine doesn't want people self treating so THEY want drugs illegal.

My apologies for pegging you as a liberal democrat. If not, then which politician do you support?
748 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Onvacation says
errc says

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.


Look at you attacking the messenger rather than the message.

Not surprising
749 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 6:52am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

errc says
Onvacation says
errc says

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.


Look at you attacking the messenger rather than the message.

Not surprising


Don you really see him being critical of LBJ as a “personal attack”?
750 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says
@errc said "I don’t have any problem with the Christian Church existing here, that is their right. I do take issue with having to subsidize their existence, especially with them disrespecting the Constitution and interfering with our Laws. There needs to be a separation of church and state, or else you end up with horrible, inefficient and insanely expensive laws and bad policy, like the War on Drugs and our mess of a healthcare system"

On this we agree. But healthcare is a mess because the money (insurance and pharmacy) have rigged it in their favor at the expense of the rest of us. It has nothing to do with Christianity. And the war on drugs is less about Christianity than it is about money too. Pharma, tobacco and alcohol don't want the competition and medicine doesn't want people self treating so THEY want drugs illegal.

My apologies for pegging you as a liberal democrat. If not, then which politician do you support?


How can you decouple Christians from Republicans? If it weren’t for the mindless Christians voting Republican because God, Guns, Gays and Abortion, Republicans would never win any elections.

So if you see it that way, Christians have to take blame for what their Republicans do. Why do you feel they should be above reproach? Why aren’t Christians willing to be held accountable for their actions?

As far as Politicians I support, none of them at this point. I registered as a dem for the first time in my life to vote for Bernie in the primaries, but he’s an Independent. You can look at me as politically Agnostic when it comes to American politicians. I’m just A Real American fighting for my Country and The People. I’m open to any ideas, however I’m immediately skeptical of any politicians evoking God in their politics, I feel that is anathema to everything this country represents



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
751 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 7:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
so now you’re a Republican


No, just happen to think Trump is good for the country at the moment.
752 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 7:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Patrick says
errc says
so now you’re a Republican


No, just happen to think Trump is good for the country at the moment.


I think I just understand things better now that I'm a bit older. It's a classic progression, lots of people change the same way.

"If you're young and conservative, you have no heart. If you're old and liberal, you have no brain."

——————-

What things are you understanding better now?

You voted for and supported Obama in both elections. Do you believe that if you’re old and liberal, you have no brain?

Personally, I believe if at any age you find yourself in the same camp as Religious folk, you obviously have no brain. Not all Christians vote Republican, but Republicans certainly depend on the Christian vote.
753 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

@Patrick i see you said you’re now in the market to buy a house.

Do you blame Liberals for your decision to not buy when Housing was much cheaper?

On this very board, you vehemently opposed the idea of buying overpriced housing, yet now after years of continuous price growth, now you’re considering buying instead of renting? What sage wisdom did you come across here?

Liberals on your site were pleading and urging everyone to buy for years at the bottom. Are you just harboring resentment and forcing your sour grapes on the long time participants of Patrick.net?
754 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says

Look at you attacking the messenger rather than the message.

The message was, is, debt, war, and divide the masses so we can steal their future.

LBJ was not good for America.
755 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 7:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

errc says
What things are you understanding better now?

You voted for and supported Obama in both elections. Do you believe that if you’re old and liberal, you have no brain?

Personally, I believe if at any age you find yourself in the same camp as Religious folk, you obviously have no brain.


I now understand that religion can also have large beneficial effects, giving a sense of community and hope. And that Christianity in particular is a relatively harmless religion, certainly far less harmful than Islam. Christianity has an additional benefit of "inoculating" people against the virus of Islam.

If you're old and liberal, you're probably caught up in a true religion in every sense: unfounded beliefs which create a community and hope, but are fundamentally just as irrational as any religion, including things which are scientifically false, such as that women have the same predispositions as men, or that "there are no races", which is simply laughable.

I'd also say that liberals are considerably more violent than Christians lately, and that their obsession with identity politics plays right into the hands of our oligarchs, dividing us and distracting from the fundamental battle between capital and labor. Diversity = division.

It's also scientifically true that diversity of community destroys the sense of community, and all forms of civic engagement. Look it up. I've learned many more things with age and could go on, but need to go to work now.
756 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 7:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

errc says
Onvacation says
errc says

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.


Look at you attacking the messenger rather than the message.

Not surprising


How is that an attack on the messenger? He's posting a opinion on the content that was in another comment? Isn't that what a discussion actually is?
757 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Sniper says
errc says
Onvacation says
errc says

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.


Look at you attacking the messenger rather than the message.

Not surprising


How is that an attack on the messenger? He's posting a opinion on the content that was in another comment? Isn't that what a discussion actually is?

I posted a quote from a messenger. The quote was the message.

He choose to ignore the content and instead attack the person instead

That’s the definition of being uncivil by ignoring the content of the message and instead, just attacking the messenger
758 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 8:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Sniper says
errc says
Onvacation says
errc says

President Lyndon B. Johnson

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.


Look at you attacking the messenger rather than the message.

Not surprising


How is that an attack on the messenger? He's posting a opinion on the content that was in another comment? Isn't that what a discussion actually is?


Like when you said “Bye Bye Nigger Boy!” At Obama when he left office.

Why did you find the need to be so vile?

Why do you come here to attack posters and harass them? What do you gain from disrupting other people’s conversations?
759 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 8:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

errc says
How is that an attack on the messenger? He's posting a opinion on the content that was in another comment? Isn't that what a discussion actually is?

I posted a quote from a messenger. The quote was the message.

He choose to ignore the content and instead attack the person instead


He posted HIS opinion of a person (LBJ) you referenced in your comment? How is that a uncivil comment?

People aren't allowed to post their opinions anymore? You seem to feel YOUR opinion matters here.
760 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 8:10am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

errc says
Why do you come here to attack posters and harass them? What do you gain from disrupting other people’s conversations?


Really??

Have you read any of your posts here in the last few days? Were any of those "attacks" on other posters?

Go take a scroll here:

https://patrick.net/comment_jail
761 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:12am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote        

Patrick says
It's also scientifically true that diversity of community destroys the sense of community, and all forms of civic engagement. Look it up. I've learned many more things with age and could go on, but need to go to work now.


Leftist have tried to push the message out there that "diversity builds better communities", this is wrong. The truth is UNITY builds better communities. Islam and Western culture are extremely incompatible and that's why Europe is experiencing such social turmoil at the moment.
762 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 9:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

errc says

He choose to ignore the content and instead attack the person instead

You are so right. You post a message implying that LBJ was a racist asshole who divided the country for personal gain and I said
Onvacation says

The poster child for democrats that pretend to help the poor.

I may have been attacking some democrats, but basically I was just agreeing with your implied message that LBJ was a racist who did not really care about the poor.

Did you intend to imply something else?
763 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 10:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Sniper says
errc says
Why do you come here to attack posters and harass them? What do you gain from disrupting other people’s conversations?


Really??

Have you read any of your posts here in the last few days? Were any of those "attacks" on other posters?

Go take a scroll here:

https://patrick.net/comment_jail


Answer my questions and then I’ll respond in Kind. I don’t think you know how to be civil, but i know for certain that your incessant incivility, personal attacks, and harassment is exactly what lead to the less than civil tone of this forum
764 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 10:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

errc says
Answer my questions and then I’ll respond in Kind. I don’t think you know how to be civil, but i know for certain that your incessant incivility, personal attacks, and harassment is exactly what lead to the less than civil tone of this forum


Have you READ anything that you've posted the last few days? Seriously? Have you reviewed ALL the personal attacks and uncivil posts that you've made? You should be the last poster to start accusing others.

You've gone totally unhinged, just like iwog did!
765 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 10:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Sniper says
errc says
Answer my questions and then I’ll respond in Kind. I don’t think you know how to be civil, but i know for certain that your incessant incivility, personal attacks, and harassment is exactly what lead to the less than civil tone of this forum


Have you READ anything that you've posted the last few days? Seriously? Have you reviewed ALL the personal attacks and uncivil posts that you've made? You should be the last poster to start accusing others.

You've gone totally unhinged, just like iwog did!


So you’re going to consider to be uncivil, and refuse to answer my question?

To avoid answering questions while asking them of others seems absolutely uncivil on a discussion forum, but I’ll defer to you, the king of incivility
766 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 7:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
Leftist have tried to push the message out there that "diversity builds better communities", this is wrong. The truth is UNITY builds better communities. Islam and Western culture are extremely incompatible and that's why Europe is experiencing such social turmoil at the moment.


Yes, there is a reason that the national motto is E Pluribus Unum. Out of many, one. It's about unity, and minimizing our differences, not constantly emphasizing them.

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