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New: moderators per topic

By anonymous following x   2017 Nov 5, 7:59pm 27,302 views   767 comments   watch   quote     share    


At the suggestion of the late Turtledove I'm trying to separate the site into distinct topics with a moderator for each topic.
#patnet

The first moderator is Iwog, who is in charge of Investing.

Currently, the only power a moderator has is ability to delete comments in that topic. But soon (like within the next week) I hope to implement these other abilities:

ability to delete whole posts in the topic
set or edit "About ${topic}" page
acceptance or rejection of posts waiting for moderation in topic
acceptance or rejection of comments waiting for moderation in topic
ability to free jailed comments in topic
user blacklist by ip or username for that topic
user whitelist for that topic (only those users would be allowed to comment)
ability to set a background image for the topic, and color scheme
ability to set up own donation link for the work

Anyone care to moderate a specific topic? @Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

#patnet

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1   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 6:23am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Do you really want Iwog, the uncivil guy that can never admit he is wrong, moderating threads? Patrick says
@Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

Dan denies natural variation of climate. Is he really the right person to moderate science?

I know these 2 are your biggest contributors since you deleted Ironman but please moderate the moderators.

We don't need another censored safe space.
2   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 6:44am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
Do you really want Iwog, the uncivil guy that can never admit he is wrong, moderating threads? Patrick says
@Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

Dan denies natural variation of climate. Is he really the right person to moderate science?

I know these 2 are your biggest contributors since you deleted Ironman but please moderate the moderators.

We don't need another censored safe space.


Are the dates on this thread correct? IWOG and Dan haven't posted at all in at least a month if not more. Ironman is now sniper and is merrily trolling the site say and night. When does he sleep?

Iwog as moderator? Really? Someone needs to look up what the word moderate means. Iwogs belligerence and intolerance makes moderator Iwog an oxymoron. Since the site has devolved into pretty much the lunatic fringes I'm not sure there is anyone left who could honestly be a moderator.
3   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 6:48am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

I’ll take politics if it’s free. My political affiliation is libertarian. :)

I mostly want to keep the site SFW. Iwog has posted a picture of a granny stroking herself and it showed up as a thumbnail on the main page for a whole day.
4   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 7:07am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

OK @Goran_K you are now the politics moderator.

I created a "Read before posting" post for you which is linked to from the #politics page. You can edit that to have whatever rules you want to impose.

Thanks!
5   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 6, 7:10am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote      

By Libertarian, you mean you will only ever vote for Republicans, and only ever be critical of ‘Libruls’?

This will certainly improve Patnet!
6   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 7:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

bob2356 says
Onvacation says
Do you really want Iwog, the uncivil guy that can never admit he is wrong, moderating threads? Patrick says
@Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

Dan denies natural variation of climate. Is he really the right person to moderate science?

I know these 2 are your biggest contributors since you deleted Ironman but please moderate the moderators.

We don't need another censored safe space.


Are the dates on this thread correct? IWOG and Dan haven't posted at all in at least a month if not more. Ironman is now sniper and is merrily trolling the site say and night. When does he sleep?

Iwog as moderator? Really? Someone needs to look up what the word moderate means. Iwogs belligerence and intolerance makes moderator Iwog an oxymoron. Since the site has devolved into pretty much the lunatic fringes...


Why don't you take one of the topics? I think you'd do a decent job. I don't have enough time to react within an appropriate time frame otherwise I'd have taken over one too. Or @curious2, also a good candidate.
7   RAPE   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 7:24am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I'd like to moderate all the sexual related threads.
8   anon_2fbc3   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 7:45am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Your killing your site Patrick.... Good job it needs to die with iwog, hey you and the rest of the narrow minded abusive trolls...
9   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 6, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Anyone that doesn't like a post/poster doesn't have to read or comment
on anything that is not pleasing to their insignificant value system.
Make sure to protect the Snowflakes tender eyes.
This site is becoming more infantile.
So many crybabies.
DIE! Bitch & Moaners! Ignorers & Banners.
Please try to GROW THE FUCK UP!

Mr. ADORABLE might moderate belt-fed threads.
10   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Nov 6, 7:54am   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I volunteer to moderate all posts, especially the anarcho-cannibal threads.
11   anon_2fbc3   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 7:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick remember the good old days when this site was full of different opinions. Then you tried to go into new and improved syndrome catering to every little whimper that came about,.I am sure you stare at it each day when you look at your statistics and we all know out of the 11,165 users you might have 20 active,
12   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 8:03am   ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

My experience with moderation is that it turns into censorship. Especially if you point out the moderator's bias regarding the treatment of posts that he/she does not like, irrespective of the stated rules. I view this as a very bad trend for patrick.net.
13   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 6, 8:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Blurtman says
My experience with moderation is that it turns into censorship. Especially if you point out the moderator's bias regarding the treatment of posts that he/she does not like, irrespective of the stated rules. I view this as a very bad trend for patrick.net.


Far worse is when you have moderators who are willing to post comments, but never able to answer any questions about their opinions or statements.

It’s literally the death of discussion. Seems incompatible with moderating a forum whose purpose is discussion
14   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:12am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@Patrick,

My take is that properly performed moderation is too much labor and will not work. Put it in a different way, too many of the people who WANT to be moderators will abuse their power and just willy-nilly remove stuff they do not like. Having a professed libertarian as a moderator seems like a paradox, by the way. A true libertarian would not moderate anything.

Lowering the limit on the number of posts to 1-2 per day per unique user is the better way to do it. That will get rid of the scatter-shooters.

Will there be a method to see what has been moderated away? Deleting seems extreme, especially when it comes to deleting already existing content from before moderation. That would be disaster, to let someone change the history of the site. Please wait with moderation until you are sure that already existing material will not be "moderated" away.
15   anon_8d8a5   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:28am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Just bring back housing / real estate as the primary topic. Still a lot of meat there, and it doesn't HAVE to be all negative.
16   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

bob2356 says
Are the dates on this thread correct? IWOG and Dan haven't posted at all in at least a month if not more.

Pretty sure I saw that iwog was logged in yesterday sometime or last night. Saw his name on the list up top. Plus he did make a comment on his going to cash thread.

Dan's been out since Oct. 15th though. That's about the longest I've seen him gone in the last 3 years or so. I know I'll get trashed for saying this, but at a basic human level I hope he's okay. He seemed to be glued to the site much of time, so hopefully all is good in his world and it's just work or vacation keeping him away. Especially after the Turtledove situation. Does anyone directly communicate with Dan ever via email?

Now onto these moderation shenanigans. I'm not a fan, but don't see the harm in trying it. It will make itself obvious very quickly if it ends up being a bad idea. I think it would give moderators too much power to shut down ideas that go against their own bias'. We'll see how it goes though.
17   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 6, 8:32am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
I volunteer to moderate all posts, especially the anarcho-cannibal threads.


A man of many talents!
18   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 6, 8:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

edit/moderate= sensorship

sensorship - I sense you don't agree with me so you are ignored,banned,edited.
19   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 8:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Blurtman says
My experience with moderation is that it turns into censorship. Especially if you point out the moderator's bias regarding the treatment of posts that he/she does not like, irrespective of the stated rules. I view this as a very bad trend for patrick.net.


Mostly agree with those sentiments but willing to try it.


justme says
Lowering the limit on the number of posts to 1-2 per day per unique user is the better way to do it. That will get rid of the scatter-shooters.


This may be too low but a higher number and then you can buy more posts if you want to may even be some revenue for @Patrick. Of course you could go around that with multiple accounts and anons but it's significant effort.
20   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:47am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
OK @Goran_K you are now the politics moderator.

I created a "Read before posting" post for you which is linked to from the #politics page. You can edit that to have whatever rules you want to impose.

Thanks!


I'll do my best to keep your site SFW Pat.
21   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:48am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
By Libertarian, you mean you will only ever vote for Republicans, and only ever be critical of ‘Libruls’?

This will certainly improve Patnet!


I haven't voted for a GOP Presidential candidate EVER.

Why do you keep mislabeling me?

That's your right though, and you can continue to do so in Politics. Just don't post bare granny titties like Iwog.
22   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Blurtman says
My experience with moderation is that it turns into censorship. Especially if you point out the moderator's bias regarding the treatment of posts that he/she does not like, irrespective of the stated rules. I view this as a very bad trend for patrick.net.


I promise to keep Politics forum EXACTLY the same as it is now. Even if people call me "Trump Cuck", "GOP slave", etc. In fact, you guys can go to town.

I'm only worried about the SFW stuff. It's only happened a few times, so basically you won't ever really see me.
23   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 8:51am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
A true libertarian would not moderate anything.


That's not true. You don't understand libertarianism. It is not ANARCHY. We believe in having a publicly funded police force as well. I'm sure you find that a surprise.
24   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 8:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
I haven't voted for a GOP Presidential candidate EVER.

Why do you keep mislabeling me?

That's your right though, and you can continue to do so in Politics. Just don't post bare granny titties like Iwog.


Not to veer off-topic, but I think this is a manifest of the more and more myopic worldview of the left. You can talk to hardcore right-wingers about Libertarians politics and politicians and they will concede and/or agree here and there, and they certainly won't go apeshit and attack them. But the left will always put Libertarians into the same identity corner as their other hated villains, like when they started circulating a many decades old newsletter published by somebody loosely affiliated with Ron Paul, claiming it was rayscyst and the RP bashing commenced. Libertarians have one flaw which is they are generally too nice, while accepting/incorporating views from both sides, which will draw ire form both sides, but mostly from the myopic left with their built-in holier-than-thou-ness. Btw. that is the sole reason we have Trump, because the left demonized everybody to the right of them, and people got fed up with it and voted for the only guy who wouldn't put up with the leftoid mudslinging but instead shoved it right back in their faces.
25   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 9:03am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

mell says

Not to veer off-topic, but I think this is a manifest of the more and more myopic worldview of the left. You can talk to hardcore right-wingers about Libertarians politics and politicians and they will concede and/or agree here and there, and they certainly won't go apeshit and attack them. But the left will always put Libertarians into the same identity corner as their other hated villains, like when they started circulating a many decades old newsletter published by somebody loosely affiliated with Ron Paul, claiming it was rayscyst and the RP bashing commenced. Libertarians have one flaw which is they are generally too nice, while accepting/incorporating views from both sides, which will draw ire form both sides, but mostly from the myopic left with their built-in holier-than-thou-ness.


Libertarians are the red headed step child of the political spectrum. We get hate from the leftist who think because we don't want to pay for other people's healthcare and birth control, somehow we hate poor people and women.

Far right people hate us because we don't care about gay people getting married or people smoking weed in their front yard.

In general we feel sorry for, and are quite confused, that so many people want to give up more of their freedoms to a colossal and continually growing big government complex.
26   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 6, 9:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_2fbc3 says
Your killing your site Patrick.... Good job it needs to die with iwog, hey you and the rest of the narrow minded abusive trolls...


Coming from a socialist/troll/bot that enjoys an America that was built by millions & millions,working hard to provide all your socialist comforts.
How many miles of highways have you built with the taxes you have paid?
You call it narrow minded. I call it "You can't handle the truth."
27   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 9:09am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says

@Patrick, bring back the listings on user's personal pages again that shows who they are Ignoring and who is Ignoring them. This will go a long way to show other users just how "tolerant" certain people are to different opinions.


This is an excellent point. If someone has a mass amount of "ignored users", that seems to logically point to an intolerant individual.
28   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 9:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
Libertarians are the red headed step child of the political spectrum. We get hate from the leftist who think because we don't want to pay for other people's healthcare and birth control, somehow we hate poor people and women.

Far right people hate us because we don't care about gay people getting married or people smoking weed in their front yard.

In general we feel sorry for, and are quite confused, that so many people want to give up more of their freedoms to a colossal and continually growing big government complex.


Agreed. And it's amusing and sad at the same time as I cannot fathom a Libertarian in office in years in this polarized point in time. Early on I donated a bit to Rand Paul's campaign but stopped soonish when I recognized the futility of his run for presidency, when, only after a couple of months, the dominating topics were irrelevant locker-room comments and equally irrelevant identity politics muzzling the first amendment right, not the ever increasing government (taxes, red tape, restriction of civil liberties) or the failed war on drugs/foreign policies.
29   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 6, 9:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

nice, while accepting/incorporating views from both sides,

—————

Which viewpoints from “the other side “ do you agree with?
30   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 6, 9:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
mell says

Not to veer off-topic, but I think this is a manifest of the more and more myopic worldview of the left. You can talk to hardcore right-wingers about Libertarians politics and politicians and they will concede and/or agree here and there, and they certainly won't go apeshit and attack them. But the left will always put Libertarians into the same identity corner as their other hated villains, like when they started circulating a many decades old newsletter published by somebody loosely affiliated with Ron Paul, claiming it was rayscyst and the RP bashing commenced. Libertarians have one flaw which is they are generally too nice, while accepting/incorporating views from both sides, which will draw ire form both sides, but mostly from the myopic left with their built-in holier-than-thou-ness.


Libertarians are the red headed step child of the political spectrum. We get hate from the le...


Who is ‘we’?

I have trouble trusting anyone who feels entitled to speak for anyone other than themself.
31   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 9:28am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
Who is ‘we’?

I have trouble trusting anyone who feels entitled to speak for anyone other than themself.


Relax man. You don't have to trust me. Just don't post titty pics.
32   Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 6, 9:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
justme says
A true libertarian would not moderate anything.


That's not true. You don't understand libertarianism. It is not ANARCHY. We believe in having a publicly funded police force as well. I'm sure you find that a surprise.


Libertarians believe in the most core function of government...the protection of a nations people and their property.

What’s really quirky is some of the lefties on this forum believe in a ridiculous amount of government oversight while somehow believeing that protection of people and their property isn’t really that important a government function.
33   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 9:55am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Make me the moderator of racism related threads please, that and anything cat related.

Another thing is I would like to moderate the funny picture thread to move anything political to another thread just for that.
34   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 9:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
nice, while accepting/incorporating views from both sides,

—————

Which viewpoints from “the other side “ do you agree with?

Legalizing drugs and prostitution. Although since the takeover of toxic feminism and identity politics the left has veered off a bit from their once clear position on those issues. Also I supported the Dems in their majority against the Iraq war back then. Just a few examples.
35   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 9:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

PCGyver says
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union....


Exactly.
36   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 10:00am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Fucking White Male says
Libertarians believe in the most core function of government...the protection of a nations people and their property.

What’s really quirky is some of the lefties on this forum believe in a ridiculous amount of government oversight while somehow believeing that protection of people and their property isn’t really that important a government function.


It's because of identity politics. Many far leftist actually believe that redistributing white people's wealth would somehow make up for slavery. This is what they actually think when they say "white privilege".
37   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 10:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
It's because of identity politics. Many far leftist actually believe that redistributing white people's wealth would somehow make up for slavery. This is what they actually think when they say "white privilege".


Maybe 2 or 3% of Democrats tops. No one in power seriously advocates this and no one participating on this site believes this either which is why your answer to "leftists on this forum" doesn't make any sense.
38   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 6, 10:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I think that Patrick should get the search feature working before potentially implementing this moderation change.
39   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 6, 10:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
Fucking White Male says
Libertarians believe in the most core function of government...the protection of a nations people and their property.

What’s really quirky is some of the lefties on this forum believe in a ridiculous amount of government oversight while somehow believeing that protection of people and their property isn’t really that important a government function.


It's because of identity politics. Many far leftist actually believe that redistributing white people's wealth would somehow make up for slavery. This is what they actually think when they say "white privilege".


So are you in favor of abolishing the Federal Income Tax?
40   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 6, 10:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
No one in power seriously advocates this


Keith Ellison is the Deputy Chair of the DNC, and actually was considered to replace Wasserman-Schultz after she got exposed for rigging the primary, and he's said he believes in reparations publicly. He's even flaunted with the idea of floating a bill for congress to "study reparations" and how they might be paid.

So again, are you sure it's only 2% of the party that believes this?

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