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New: moderators per topic

By anonymous following x   2017 Nov 5, 7:59pm 27,406 views   767 comments   watch   quote     share    


At the suggestion of the late Turtledove I'm trying to separate the site into distinct topics with a moderator for each topic.
#patnet

The first moderator is Iwog, who is in charge of Investing.

Currently, the only power a moderator has is ability to delete comments in that topic. But soon (like within the next week) I hope to implement these other abilities:

ability to delete whole posts in the topic
set or edit "About ${topic}" page
acceptance or rejection of posts waiting for moderation in topic
acceptance or rejection of comments waiting for moderation in topic
ability to free jailed comments in topic
user blacklist by ip or username for that topic
user whitelist for that topic (only those users would be allowed to comment)
ability to set a background image for the topic, and color scheme
ability to set up own donation link for the work

Anyone care to moderate a specific topic? @Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

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281   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 9:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says
The site is already in hell. Trying to escape it.


lol

Don't know why, but I had a good 30 second laugh from this comment.
282   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 9:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says
This is the guy who said the German economy was in shambles


It's in shambles. France too. In fact, I can't think of a Euro zone country I'd actually invest any capital into.
283   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 9:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says
I know you don't personally have anything against Goran, but try arguing with him. See how frustrating it is for someone to LITERALLY never answer a question and then have him mock you for the same thing despite having answered him in great detail.



Do you really get angry about conversations you've had on the internet? I think that's a bigger problem than anything you've mentioned thus far.

Why do you get so angry?
284   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Fucking White Male says
Your insistence that other posters answer your questions is one of the more ridiculous positions on Pat.net.

Were not in a fucking court room and you are very far from being the judge.


I'm glad you brought this up.

The only way to expose fallacies is to ask questions. The only way to hold a conversation or debate a topic or reach a consensus is to ask questions. A failure to answer a question is a failure of a position and the loss of the argument however what a troll does is immediately erect a straw man or talk about granny porn.

If Goran lies about the carbon emissions of lawnmowers, and the discussion is about carbon emissions, why shouldn't he be required to answer questions proving he lied? See how this works? The disingenuous people drive away the honest people.
285   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 9:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
What do you want from the site at this point?


Just civil productive conversation.
286   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 9:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

A forum is where good ideas are supposed to win. Refusing to answer a question directly related to a point you produce denies the person you are arguing with a win. It's a win he deserves but you're a troll so you deny giving it to him.

Goran, you lied about lawnmower emissions. You made it up. You pulled it out of your ass. This is a very clear and specific example of a troll denying someone a win in a discussion.

That's why forums fail. The people who play fair and are honest are driven off because their ideas aren't allowed to rise to the top. Right now the worst offenders on the board are Piggy and Goran. No contest.
287   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 9:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says
Just civil productive conversation.


I agree and I'm explaining why conversations here can't be productive. I even gave a specific event.
288   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 9:52am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
Do you really get angry about conversations you've had on the internet? I think that's a bigger problem than anything you've mentioned thus far.

Why do you get so angry?


Pure ad hominem in every sense of the word. Goran can't win this one either so he's turning it into an attack on an individual.

I don't even need to dredge up historical examples of why this place fails. Goran provides them real time.
289   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 9:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

My hope is that separate moderators will each do the right thing for their topic.
290   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 9:55am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says
A forum is where good ideas are supposed to win. Refusing to answer a question directly related to a point you produce denies the person you are arguing with a win. It's a win he deserves but you're a troll so you deny giving it to him.

Goran, you lied about lawnmower emissions. You made it up. You pulled it out of your ass. This is a very clear and specific example of a troll denying someone a win in a discussion.

That's why forums fail. The people who play fair and are honest are driven off because their ideas aren't allowed to rise to the top. Right now the worst offenders on the board are Piggy and Goran. No contest.


Why does it have to be about winning? Wouldn't it be better if people just posted, exchanged discourse, and entertained themselves? What are you winning Iwog? Do you get more money in your brokerage account? Do you get anything of value except a few minutes of entertainment and distraction?

You literally have TEN times the post of me, and others here. In fact by my calculations, I think your posts account for roughly 10% of all post on this website (Patrick probably can get the exact percentage) which makes sense since you see this as winning and losing (and I'm sure your ego has compelled you to post hundreds of post in defense of whatever imaginary battle you're fighting).

Stop being so angry. Relax man. You're going to give yourself a stroke someday.
291   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 9:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says
My hope is that separate moderators will each do the right thing for their topic.


You can't have Goran as a moderator. Errc was dead on accurate when he said Goran went on a long rant about an old lady in a bra however he's never said a peep about the gross abuse that CIC has wrecked on nearly everyone here. Even anons.

He's going to let him post because they share the same politics.
292   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 9:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
Why does it have to be about winning? Wouldn't it be better if people just posted, exchanged discourse, and entertained themselves?


Everyone who was entertained by the free exchange of ideas has left the site. The reason is you and others don't allow the free exchange of ideas. One simple question you can't answer and you go straight to ad hominem. Every time.

Patrick is asking why the site is a wreck. I'm explaining why.
293   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 8, 10:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

@patrick you should heed iwog and make your decision as well as you can realizing that over half the people commenting here do not really understand what it is to have a fair discussion and if you’re going to be productive they are somehow going to have to be shown how to do that.
294   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 10:03am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

The majority of people who should be participating here should be liberal and Democrat and against Trump. Those the the demographics of California and polls say Trump is only supported by about 38%.

Why are 90% of the threads here mocking Clinton or Obama and praising the orange baboon?

The reason is the right wing bullies dominate discourse here. They drive other people away, especially CIC and what results is a "conservative" echo chamber.
295   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

iwog says
You can't have Goran as a moderator. Errc was dead on accurate when he said Goran went on a long rant about an old lady in a bra however he's never said a peep about the gross abuse that CIC has wrecked on nearly everyone here. Even anons.

He's going to let him post because they share the same politics.


I honestly don't know what CIC means who that is.
296   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 10:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
I honestly don't know what CIC means who that is.


More Goran trolling. This guy should not only no be a moderator, he should be banned along with CIC
297   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 10:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
More Goran trolling. This guy should not only no be a moderator, he should be banned along with CIC


That was the first thought I had also. As long as Goran has been here, there's no way he doesn't know this.
298   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 10:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

He knows it. He asked the same question a couple weeks ago and was told then. He's just trolling.
299   RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 10:23am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Who would have ever thought this would be so hard. I miss the old forum that saved me a bunch of money and was less divisive. It was better when we were always talking about blood sucking agents instead of the constant partisan politics we all had common enemies.
300   anon_2374a   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 10:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
iwog says
This is the guy who said the German economy was in shambles


It's in shambles.

Care to explain how it’s a shambles, or is that just yet another baseless assertion that you’ll now make no effort to defend? You’ve said it several times and not once supported your ‘argument’ with anything meaningful.
301   anon_2374a   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says
My hope is that separate moderators will each do the right thing for their topic.

You need to make better choices than Goran as has been amply demonstrated on just this thread alone.
302   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 8, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says
He's just trolling.

He's just dishonest as fuck.
303   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 8, 11:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

iwog says
what results is a "conservative" echo chamber.

What do you mean when you say "Conservative?" Is something being conserved? These are talk radio addicts that wind up becoming apologists for the worsening inequality insisting that the worsening inequality is the bitter medicine America must take to ensure a great nation. Win win win MAGA! Tactics tactics tactics every day along with GOP talking points they don't even know they are being steeped in GOP talking points then GOP happens to come along and golly gee this sounds right on MAGA

Talk about pissing into the wind, some of us have been very foolish and even naively arrogant to run up against this vast constellation of propaganda. And you are never going to get these old boys to admit that their racism even exists either. --it'll never happen. These guys are minted daily by the 10s of millions from GOP's vast donor propaganda system. Invariably you wind up explaining what it is like to see reality in human events and you are dismissed, insulted, taunted by swarms of well intentioned rubes looking for the high-five from their fellow astro turf audience members.

@Patrick to some extent you must be one of them. That is the only explanation. You enjoy watching the punishment of those who stand against the dominant talkers.

I understand. I've been there myself. It's tough to avoid getting sucked in, but it happens on the frustrating commute. Music is not that good and it gets boring anyways, there is only one kind of talk radio unless you have a bunch of prerecorded NPR podcasts. Win win win GOP calls to your manhood along with Tom Lykis, Alex Jones and all those other hyper-male protagonists. These microphone bullies show you how they win win win laughing all the way at any opposition.

Of course it is their show they are in complete control, but wouldn't it be nice if you could dominate conversations like that and every time anyone speaks up questioning you? You could punish the fuck out of them and laugh them off the stage? WELCOME TO PATRICK.NET. At home the women of Fox are there to greet you and prove that yes the world really is just as they say it is, so don't be one of the stupid fucking weirdos who would argue with an attractive and leggy blonde female. The daily coup de grace is some putz like Hannity with some tearful patriotic meme bemoaning the pathetic straw man opinions of today's opposition. Sports, weather and bedtime. Back to the frustrating and dangerous commute the next day to a boss whose job it is to make your goals unreasonable to achieve.

America is all set up to slide down into some very harsh changes VERY SOON at the end of all this extraction. They do it to foreign countries all the time. They end up having to pawn off their whole infrastructure to American capitalists to pay back societal debt. The police are all nice and militarized and waiting to make examples of you all. America is trying to be anything BUT great again!
304   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 11:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

jazz_music says
@Patrick to some extent you must be one of them. That is the only explanation. You enjoy watching the punishment of those who stand against the dominant talkers.


He's not one of them, he's just sympathetic to the election of Trump and the issues that define madness on the left. He also doesn't participate in most of these squabbles so he doesn't have a good feel for the character of people such as Goran.
305   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 11:58am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
Refusing to answer a question directly related to a point you produce denies the person you are arguing with a win. It's a win he deserves but you're a troll so you deny giving it to him.

So what is the ideal temp of earth for human habitation?
I know you won't answer.
I win.
306   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 8, 12:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
So what is the ideal temp of earth for human habitation?
I know you won't answer.
I win.

You refer to some temperature point as if it was an argument so you can say you won.

You win. Enjoy your prize. MAGA win win win another astro turf hero.

This goes to prove that there's no point in talking here at all unless it is to verify compliance with celebrity heroes of "the real truth."
307   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 12:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says
He also doesn't participate in most of these squabbles so he doesn't have a good feel for the character of people such as Goran.


I've been a member of this board for over 5 years. I'm pretty sure he can gauge who I am based off of that.
308   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

Onvacation says
So what is the ideal temp of earth for human habitation?
I know you won't answer.
I win.


I answered you with about 5 paragraphs.
309   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 12:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says

You win. Enjoy your prize. MAGA

Thank you. Thank you very much.

I was just making the point that Iwog often accuses others of what he does all the time.

And the ideal temp is an important question to expose the climate change fraud.
310   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Onvacation says
I was just making the point that Iwog often accuses others of what he does all the time.


Except you're lying about it. You're a troll and you are what makes this place a shithole.

That question of yours has been answered ad nauseam over and over again by at least 3 people and the fact you come back and lie about it again and again.

Patrick I know it's a chore however if the final arbitrator of who is screwing up the form rests on you, you're going to have to do things like go back and look at the discussion and see who's wantonly lying.

Right now the trolls run the board.
311   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

These are NOT personality conflicts. These are QUANTIFIABLE differences in the people who are here to troll and the people who are here to have a discussion.
312   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 12:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

I answered you with about 5 paragraphs.

A temperature does not require paragraphs.
If you alarmists can measure the world average temp and know that it is catastrophically rising why can't you commit to an ideal average temp? Dan did before he disappeared.
This is way off topic but it does illustrate Iwog's dishonesty.
313   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 12:19pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@Patrick, is it in line with your vision when moderator of #investing forum deliberately starts political thread in #investing instead of #politics in order to control the narrative (not my assesement - his own admission)?
314   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

KimJongUn says
@Patrick, is it in line with your vision when moderator of #investing forum deliberately starts political thread in #investing instead of #politics in order to control the narrative (not my assesement - his own admission)?


I think you're seeing a demonstration of what happens to a thread when the trolls are prevented from trolling.

They go haywire and desperately attempt to stop the moderation.

I'd like to continue with this experiment, in fact if Patrick would let me moderate the entire board for a week, you'd see an amazing change.
315   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 12:24pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

I think you're seeing a demonstration of what happens to a thread when the trolls are prevented from trolling.


All I see is an abuse of moderatorial power. You were given the permission to moderate #investing subforum, not to turn it into #iwog.net on the day one.
316   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 8, 12:25pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@patrick
Why not sell patnet to Iwog? He can make it the safe space he desires to rule over with an iron fist and you can have some cash to start a new free speech site.
317   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:27pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

Onvacation says
He can make it the safe space he desires


I'm not looking for a safe space. I'm looking to have some intelligent moderation so when you lie your ass off, there can be some accountability.

Honestly for this site to start to attract reasonable people again, a lot of you pure trolls need to leave. THAT'S the secret formula and it's why y'all are wailing and gnashing your teeth.

I want one fucking thread to moderate in politics and look at how much misery and screaming and complaining and crying it has caused.
318   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

KimJongUn says
All I see is an abuse of moderatorial power. You were given the permission to moderate #investing subforum, not to turn it into #iwog.net on the day one.


I have 35 followers on this board. Next is Patrick with 22 and the next after that is APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch with just 9.

I haven't played this card before but now that Patrick is testing moderation, I'd like a little deference to be shown to me on this issue.
319   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

When I comment about how Iwog is misusing the investing tag in a political thread, he deletes that comment pretty quickly. I didn't even write anything political!

That's Iwog censorship.
320   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 8, 12:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

zzyzzx says
When I comment about how Iwog is misusing the investing tag in a political thread, he deletes that comment pretty quickly. I didn't even write anything political!


One of Patrick's rules is stay on topic. I'm actually trying to do this. Consider this an experiment in cleaning up the board starting with a single thread.

What SHOULD be talked about here is the actual TOPIC which for 10 fucking months has been "DA POLLS ARE ALL LIBERAL!!!!" and then when one giant data point appears contradicting this, none of you want to talk about it.

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