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New: moderators per topic

By Patrick following x   2017 Nov 5, 7:59pm 17,695 views   767 comments   watch   quote     share    


At the suggestion of the late Turtledove I'm trying to separate the site into distinct topics with a moderator for each topic.
#patnet

The first moderator is Iwog, who is in charge of Investing.

Currently, the only power a moderator has is ability to delete comments in that topic. But soon (like within the next week) I hope to implement these other abilities:

ability to delete whole posts in the topic
set or edit "About ${topic}" page
acceptance or rejection of posts waiting for moderation in topic
acceptance or rejection of comments waiting for moderation in topic
ability to free jailed comments in topic
user blacklist by ip or username for that topic
user whitelist for that topic (only those users would be allowed to comment)
ability to set a background image for the topic, and color scheme
ability to set up own donation link for the work

Anyone care to moderate a specific topic? @Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

#patnet

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521 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

All right Iwog and crew. It's been fun, but for now, I'll be around in the various sub-forums. It's a brave new world for PatNet 2.0. I can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

See you around the forum.
522 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 10:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Got to be able to move on from the pettiness or you're going to get dragged into it as a moderator.


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Dragged in lol now that’s funny! It’s almost as if you’re operating without context.
523 anon_7a66f   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
anon_a44b7 says
I'm not iwog but thanks for admitting your a troll. In addition to that, you admitted you trolled by lying.


Ha.

I look forward to your new post in Politics Iwog.

Remember, in a battle of ideas, the unarmed man is often the one spewing the most insults. Let's use weapons for a more civilized era.

What battle of ideas? You never seem to make any attempt to support your claims. This is the exact point Iwog and others have made numerous times. You run a bloody mile and/or make it personal. You are so disingenuous it boggles the mind.
524 willywonka   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Moderation frequently turns into censorship. A big mistake, IMHO.
525 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 11:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

IDK who's trolling who at this point. The whole you're a troll, no you're a troll arguments should probably be put out to pasture. Maybe Patrick can play with automatic moderation. Any post that uses the word troll should get sent to a separate forum, where people can argue about who the real troll(s) is(are). Also, any post by CIC should require moderation before going active.

This thread is a pretty good case against Goran being a 'Wright brother', IMO. But it not like there are a lot of other offers to do it. Also, he pretty much stated that he's going to abdicate any responsibility in the matter unless he sees something that might get him fired.

Personally, I'd like to see politics shrink in emphasis here, and look forward to being able to ignore topics.
526 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 11:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
Dragged in lol now that’s funny! It’s almost as if you’re operating without context.
What are you talking about? I was basically stating he's in the mud in this thread and he's not looking good. If he wants any semblance of being seen as objective as a moderator, get off this thread and stop acting a fool. What context am I operating without?

I've seen his history of comments here and I get what you're implying about his past behavior if that's the context you speak of. If he fucks up as a moderator I'll be the first one on the bandwagon. I'm not a cheerleader for anyone here. But moderator is a new role and too many are just saying, "ah fuck it, it won't work and that guy is an ass." Which I'm sure can be backed up by quoting comments of him being an ass.

But what does it have to do with him being a moderator? Could he fuck it up? Sure. Will he fuck it up? I don't know and I'm not certain you do either. If all he does is remove NSFW photos from the OP because they show on the front page and nothing else, what would be the problem? If he starts deleting all the comments on one side of an argument, without citing a reason, then like I said, give me a pitch fork and torch and we'll bring him down.

The maturity level of many here is astounding, especially among many I believe to be really fucking smart people. I'm really starting to think this might be a forum full of women. I've seen less bickering in a fucking middle school. For god's sake, there's a fucking ignore feature if you don't like someone as well. They gone. I hate all caps. but, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANE ANYONE'S MIND HERE!
527 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 11:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

willywonka says
Moderation frequently turns into censorship. A big mistake, IMHO.

Probably, but maybe a necessary mistake for the site to get better? The current path (prior to this moderation attempt) was not a good look. Will it get better? Who knows. Can't hurt to try something new.
528 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 11:59am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick, you really need to get rid of Anon posting.
529 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 12:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Personally, I'd like to see politics shrink in emphasis here


I agree.
530 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 12:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx says
YesYNot says
Personally, I'd like to see politics shrink in emphasis here


I agree.


Maybe a good idea would be to toss all comments that go off topic in other topics, be tossed to one big ol Bog of Stench thread where it can be thunderdome and require it a link rather than allow it to pop atop the homepage whenever it has activity
531 anon_7ebb1   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 12:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
Patrick, you really need to get rid of Anon posting.


Why? The goal is to increase number of users and posts. Allowing anonymous and cracking down on personal attackers ad hominimers should aid greatly in achieving the objective.
532 anon_9358b   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 12:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_7ebb1 says
Allowing anonymous and cracking down on personal attackers ad hominimers


The anons are making the bulk of the personal attacks and ad homs.
533 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 9, 12:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says
The maturity level of many here is astounding, especially among many I believe to be really fucking smart people. I'm really starting to think this might be a forum full of women. I've seen less bickering in a fucking middle school.


That pretty much nailed it. There are many here who just can handle getting their feelings hurt.
534 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 12:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_9358b says
anon_7ebb1 says
Allowing anonymous and cracking down on personal attackers ad hominimers


The anons are making the bulk of the personal attacks and ad homs.


This.

Also its clear that existing users are intentionally posting as anon in order to "bulk up" one side of the argument(ie one user is posting the same argument multiple times as an anon user).
535 anon_2fbc3   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 12:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
Patrick, you really need to get rid of Anon posting.


Anon is free speech..... Splitting Patnet to oblivion... How about leaving the school kid mentality and act like adults without the whining. Patnet is full blown patheticnet. This thread alone is the evidence.....
536 anon_063a9   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 12:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_9358b says
The anons are making the bulk of the personal attacks and ad homs.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say accusations of Goran being a liar and a troll are what you call ad hominem. That creates a serious problem if indeed Goran is a liar and a troll. Standards my boy, standards.
537 anon_063a9   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I've said all along that I don't think the issue is moderation. I think iwog is gone because he wasn't treated with an ounce of respect by anyone including Patrick. He had more friends and followers than you did for crying out loud and you're going to stick a user he obviously had serious issues with in charge of moderating his numerous political threads? It's been a day now and I'm still completely mystified about what went down here. None of it makes sense at all.
538 anon_063a9   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 1:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Also I don't know which of you is going to pick up the slack and provide actual content. I was a big fan of the yearly housing forecasts but I guess you can kiss those goodbye forever. The global warming analysis was the most original I've ever seen anywhere but I guess we can kiss that goodbye also. Yes he got into pissing matches but that's all we have to look forward to now. Nothing else
539 FP   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Who is not anonymous on this site?

Is "Fucking" the real given name of Fucking White Male?

I've posted a few time as "anon" just because I've been lazy to log in. If I couldn't, I wouldn't have bothered to post at all.

Some people are taking too serioulsly their anonymous (e.g. Fucking White Male) personalities.

FP, an anonymous commenter
540 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 1:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FP says
Who is not anonymous on this site?

Is "Fucking" the real given name of Fucking White Male?

I've posted a few time as "anon" just because I've been lazy to log in. If I couldn't, I wouldn't have bothered to post at all.

Some people are taking too serioulsly their anonymous (e.g. Fucking White Male) personalities.

FP, an anonymous commenter


You don't understand trolling. Pat.net is full of trolls.

You can start your education here:

https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Troll
541 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 1:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_063a9 says
I've said all along that I don't think the issue is moderation. I think iwog is gone because he wasn't treated with an ounce of respect by anyone including Patrick. He had more friends and followers than you did for crying out loud and you're going to stick a user he obviously had serious issues with in charge of moderating his numerous political threads? It's been a day now and I'm still completely mystified about what went down here. None of it makes sense at all.


You are joking right?
542 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 9, 1:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_7ebb1 says
Fucking White Male says
Patrick, you really need to get rid of Anon posting.


Why? The goal is to increase number of users and posts.


It's not doing that because

Fucking White Male says
Also its clear that existing users are intentionally posting as anon in order to "bulk up" one side of the argument(ie one user is posting the same argument multiple times as an anon user).


Anon is just adding "volume" from the existing members, and allowing them to HIDE, not ADDING members.
543 anon_063a9   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 1:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
You don't understand trolling. Pat.net is full of trolls.


Oh kind sir please forgive me because it was my impression that Patrick was interested in fixing that. His small misstep was putting a lying trolling asshole in charge of 90% of the threads created here.

Like it or not he created a little tiny following in this place that was much larger than any other user including me. Maybe flushing that down the toilet just so Goran could keep his job might have been a mistake.
544 FP   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 1:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
You don't understand trolling.


BS I understand it very well. That's why I am immune to it.

Like now - I'm not going to be bothered by whatever you write; I'll just ignore it.
545 anon_df0a7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I should be made moderator of everything because I'm perfectly rational and fair.

"The sooner you sink PatNet the happier you'll be. @Patrick just doesn't know it yet."

It's not that bad. Except CiC/Ironman/Sniper. He is that bad. His personal need for negative attention might sink Patnet.
546 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 8:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_3e25a says
ROTFLMAO! FEELINGS is the only reason you came back. If @Patrick wasn't so desperate to maintain a sinking ship he'd realize you're just like Trump: burning things down is all that attracts you. Beyond that you got nuthin'.


I like Patrick.net. It's a fun site. I think it's focus was on the negatives of housing, which is now a dinosaur.
It's time to focus on a different set of emotions that excite people, beyond the usual politics, sex, and religion.
We should brainstorm this.
547 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 8:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
It's time to focus on a different set of emotions that excite people, beyond the usual politics, sex, and religion.
We should brainstorm this.


Absolutely!

Maybe housing is still good, too. Definitely gets people talking.
548 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 9:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_df0a7 says
It's not that bad. Except CiC/Ironman/Sniper. He is that bad. His personal need for negative attention might sink Patnet.


Please mark every single attack of his as uncivil.
549 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 9:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Go easy Sniper.
550 Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:24pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Can I have an "ignore all anon" button/pref? Some people are a little desperate. :)
551 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 4:52am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Can i have 'libbie' and 'redneck' buttons, displaying only the posts of the selected?
That way, i can cycle between the two at high speeds simulating a passing bout of tourettes...
552 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 6:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Rew says
Can I have an "ignore all anon" button/pref?


Sure, that's not hard. On my work list now.
553 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 10, 7:06am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
Rew says
Can I have an "ignore all anon" button/pref?


Sure, that's not hard. On my work list now.


That will eliminate his ability to read all the quality posts by all these new members:

https://patrick.net/users?ob=user_registered&d=desc

BTW, there is no "next" button on the User page, so it's impossible to search past the first page.
554 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 7:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
BTW, there is no "next" button on the User page, so it's impossible to search past the first page.



Thanks, will fix!
555 anon_3bb77   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 7:50am   ↑ like (10)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote        

Patrick says
anon_df0a7 says
It's not that bad. Except CiC/Ironman/Sniper. He is that bad. His personal need for negative attention might sink Patnet.


Please mark every single attack of his as uncivil.


*sigh* What you don't understand @Patrick is that CiC WANTS to make you ban him again. Just watch his behavior increase in the same profile as before. You're indulging a nihilist who's only purpose is to defile things. you're desperate enough to ignore it for a while and then you'll learn the same lesson again. Do you trul think he's acting in good faith? Really? REALLY? REALLY??????

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
556 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 9:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Uncivil does not work for me.
I tried to flag an ad hom as uncivil. The post disappeared. When I hit refresh the post reappeared.
If we deleted all uncivil posts maybe the uncivil will stop posting.
Love your site Patrick.
557 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 5:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Thanks @Onvacation I will fix that.
558 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 5:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

OK, uncivil should work again. Sorry it was borken for a while.
559 anon_b52e5   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 8:42pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

anon_3bb77 says
Patrick says
anon_df0a7 says
It's not that bad. Except CiC/Ironman/Sniper. He is that bad. His personal need for negative attention might sink Patnet.


Please mark every single attack of his as uncivil.


*sigh* What you don't understand @Patrick is that CiC WANTS to make you ban him again. Just watch his behavior increase in the same profile as before. You're indulging a nihilist who's only purpose is to defile things. you're desperate enough to ignore it for a while and then you'll learn the same lesson again. Do you trul think he's acting in good faith? Really? REALLY? REALLY??????

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At least somebody understands his motivation.
560 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 8:09am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (6)     quote        

anon_b52e5 says
*sigh* What you don't understand @Patrick is that CiC WANTS to make you ban him again. Just watch his behavior increase in the same profile as before

Enough with the whining. Trying to get somebody expelled from a forum for excercising their 1st amendment right is pretty much leftoid playbook.

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