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New: moderators per topic

By Patrick following x   2017 Nov 5, 7:59pm 17,722 views   767 comments   watch   quote     share    


At the suggestion of the late Turtledove I'm trying to separate the site into distinct topics with a moderator for each topic.
#patnet

The first moderator is Iwog, who is in charge of Investing.

Currently, the only power a moderator has is ability to delete comments in that topic. But soon (like within the next week) I hope to implement these other abilities:

ability to delete whole posts in the topic
set or edit "About ${topic}" page
acceptance or rejection of posts waiting for moderation in topic
acceptance or rejection of comments waiting for moderation in topic
ability to free jailed comments in topic
user blacklist by ip or username for that topic
user whitelist for that topic (only those users would be allowed to comment)
ability to set a background image for the topic, and color scheme
ability to set up own donation link for the work

Anyone care to moderate a specific topic? @Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

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641 anon_98513   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Onvacation says
anon_98513 says

I didn't realize it was necessary to type the blatantly obvious now.

Just argue the points and stop the personal attacks. That would be civil.

There’s no need to argue with someone who holds idiotic views. It’s obviously a waste of time.
642 anon_25c83   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 12, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Onvacation says
Just argue the points and stop the personal attacks. That would be civil.


Says the troll.
643 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_98513 says

There’s no need to argue with someone who holds idiotic views. It’s obviously a waste of time.

anon_25c83 says
Says the troll.

Ignore really works.

Maybe y'all are here to be uncivil?

I like patnet because points of view and stories that are no where else can be found here.
644 anon_98513   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Onvacation says
anon_98513 says
Didn't think so.

Specifics? I was entirely specific. Everything you post on climate change. Ask the actual scientists who do the research. But hey, I guess you’re an expert on it, mountains of reasearch, university grants....

There is a 97% consensus among people that believe in manmade global warming that the climate is changing.

Like I said, it’s not worth arguing with someone whose views are so idiotic that to engage them on it would simply be a waste of time. Your comment above amply demonstrates that. But hey, thanks for yet another example of how ridiculous your points are about climate change.
645 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_98513 says
Like I said, it’s not worth arguing with someone whose views are so idiotic that to engage them on it would simply be a waste of time. Your comment above amply demonstrates that.

How is my view
Onvacation says
There is a 97% consensus among people that believe in manmade global warming that the climate is changing.

Wrong?
646 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

In case you did not get it I was mocking the "97% of scientists believe in AGW" fraud.
647 anon_98513   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Onvacation says
In case you did not get it I was mocking the "97% of scientists believe in AGW" fraud.

Good grief. You’re just embarrassing yourself in case you didn’t get it.
648 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_98513 says

Good grief. You’re just embarrassing yourself in case you didn’t get it.

Again, no specifics, just a personal attack.
649 anon_98513   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 10:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Onvacation says
anon_98513 says

Good grief. You’re just embarrassing yourself in case you didn’t get it.

Again, no specifics, just a personal attack.

It’s not a personal attack. It’s a statement of fact. I’m not going to engage in a discussion with you over it just as I wouldn’t engage in an argument with a flat earther. You have the arrogance to pretend that you are somehow more informed than the scientists working in the field. It’s that kind of vacuous nonsense that simply isn’t worth dealing with no matter how hard you keep trying to draw people into your nonsense.
650 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 11:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I said
Onvacation says
Just argue the points and stop the personal attacks. That would be civil.

Your reply
anon_98513 says
it’s not worth arguing with someone whose views are so idiotic that to engage them on it would simply be a waste of time.


anon_98513 says
I’m not going to engage in a discussion with you over it just as I wouldn’t engage in an argument with a flat earther.

anon_98513 says
You have the arrogance

anon_98513 says
thanks for yet another example of how ridiculous your points are about climate change

anon_98513 says
It’s that kind of vacuous nonsense that simply isn’t worth dealing with

You could ignore me or counter my arguments.

But you won't. Why not?
652 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 3:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Moderators will soon have the ability to free comments from jail.
653 anon_6331c   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 7:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@Patrick, are you seriously telling me that Justme post deserves to be censored? That’s ridiculous.
654 anon_98513   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 7:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Onvacation says
You could ignore me or counter my arguments.

But you won't. Why not?

Because pretty much every single climate science on the planet does that job for me. You are perfectly aware of that but just want the opportunity to propagate your nonsense. I won't give you that oxygen.
655 justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
You can say someone’s opinion is stupid as you want as long as you don’t say they are personally stupid. Big difference here.


Are we allowed to say that "stupid is as stupid does", in the tradition of that famous American philospher (Forrest Gump)?

ADDENDUM: I feel the need to add a SARCASM ALERT here, for the impaired.
656 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 7:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

justme says
Goran_K says
You can say someone’s opinion is stupid as you want as long as you don’t say they are personally stupid. Big difference here.


Are we allowed to say that "stupid is as stupid does", in the tradition of that famous American philospher (Forrest Gump).


I’m awaiting clarification on the personal insult allowable level. If it’s zero tolerance, you cannot aim negative comments at other individuals. No matter how you try to mask them.
657 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 9:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

It's not zero tolerance, but I also don't want flame wars between users. So it requires some judgement: is the comment purely attacking another user? If so, that's worthy of deletion imho.

I want to stamp those out and just talk about actual issues and ideas without deleting any of those.
658 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 12, 9:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Alright. I’ll keep it to a warning or two if it devolves into back and forth insults. Then delete. Does that sound about right?
659 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Yes, that sounds about right.

Maybe jail a few insults, then warn if it continues, then delete if it continues after that. Then ban for a day.
660 anon_38c3f   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:57am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote        

PCGyver says
I wanted to talk about an issue. Goran not being moderator. I got banned for it. Yet another example of why s/he should not moderate.


Translation: Goran's political views differs from mine, that 's why I don't want him as a moderator. Typical lefty control issue.
661 anon_b9053   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 8:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_38c3f says
Translation: Goran's political views differs from mine, that 's why I don't want him as a moderator. Typical lefty control issue.


Your translation is wrong. Whether you like PCGyver and his political leanings or not, his objection had nothing to do with content and, in fact, has everything to do with politically motivated censorship. He's proposing the exact opposite of what you are complaining about.
662 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Patrick says
Maybe jail a few insults, then warn if it continues, then delete if it continues after that. Then ban for a day.


Got it.
663 anon_c2110   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 8:37am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote        

OK, goran, you're the best moderator in the history of PatNet. You are a wonderful, beautiful, bestest guy in the history of everything, but your political ideas suck cock, big cum dripping black cock meant for white power retards who want the return of 1950. You are everyone's model of hunky hottness but your political ideas smell like New Jersey diarrhea laced with impotent Baltimore white rage.
664 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 8:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_c2110 says
OK, goran, you're the best moderator in the history of PatNet. You are a wonderful, beautiful, bestest guy in the history of everything, but your political ideas suck cock, big cum dripping black cock meant for white power retards who want the return of 1950. You are everyone's model of hunky hottness but your political ideas smell like New Jersey diarrhea laced with impotent Baltimore white rage.


Nice.
665 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 8:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Gosh, seems a bit uncivil.
666 anon_35401   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:00am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Patrick says
Gosh, seems a bit uncivil.


Then change the rules, again. It works for the Republicans and the neo-racists here and in D.C.
667 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 9:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
Gosh, seems a bit uncivil.

Agreed. Probably jail worthy according to the rules. Not to mention race hating and profane. But Goran is a good sport about it.
668 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 9:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_35401 says
Patrick says
Gosh, seems a bit uncivil.


Then change the rules, again. It works for the Republicans and the neo-racists here and in D.C.


Like anybody on here and esp. in DC ever said something that hateful towards any race. Now you're just making things up.
669 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 9:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

PCGyver says
anon_38c3f says
PCGyver says
I wanted to talk about an issue. Goran not being moderator. I got banned for it. Yet another example of why s/he should not moderate.


Translation: Goran's political views differs from mine, that 's why I don't want him as a moderator. Typical lefty control issue.


Not the case. He makes statement he doesn't back up and he also makes statements that he says others have said when it is not what they said at all. My problem with Goran is he is dishonest.

I wouldn't want Iwog in any 1 particular subject either so there goes your narrative. Tlips, Quigley, or maybe even Stratigest would be better moderators than Goran or Iwog.

I think we should moderate our own posts and if people don't like our style then they will stay away from said poster.


You have quite the active imagination.
670 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I applied the rules last night according to my understanding of the rules. Personal insults were not allowed. Now that we have clarification, I think there should be no question on what the limit is for personally insulting people as everyone here has had time to read what that limit is.
672 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
You're dishonest so you'll apply the rules in some cases and pretend you didn't see the comment in other cases. you never should have been made a moderator.


If I were what you think I am Iwog/tatupu/etc, I would have nuked you a long time ago for attempting to ruin the website with this "anon" attack.

I'm hoping you will eventually integrate into this new Patrick 2.0 website with less insult hurtling and more discussions. We could have some interesting debates.
673 anon_25c83   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 9:32am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Goran_K says
If I were what you think I am Iwog


You see iwogs under your bed, in your closet, and hiding in the back seat of your car. Your haunted by iwogs and they make you scared. Thats another good reason why you should have never been made a moderator.
674 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 9:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

@Patrick, I think we need some modifications to the "uncivil" check again. Some members are using this to "uncivil" warnings from mods. Perhaps mod comments should not be jailable IMO. Works two ways, mods cannot "lie" about their post, and warnings cannot be jailed. Food for thought.
675 anon_313db   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Not sure what conflict between iwog and goran stems from, but whatever it is, must have been serious and went back years. Can someone explain the nature of their beef with each other?
676 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 13, 10:14am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Don't worry children, your hero, Iwog, just checked in to see what his fan club is saying. Here is the banner image below:

677 justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 10:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
Perhaps mod comments should not be jailable IMO.


Ah yes, Goran_K gets to be special. He wants to be exempt from being tagged uncivil, by decree, because he is moderator.

What goes around, comes around, Goran_K.
678 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 10:20am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Goran_K says
@Patrick, I think we need some modifications to the "uncivil" check again. Some members are using this to "uncivil" warnings from mods. Perhaps mod comments should not be jailable IMO. Works two ways, mods cannot "lie" about their post, and warnings cannot be jailed. Food for thought.


You feel you should be allowed to make uncivil comments while asking others to be civil?

You want the rules to apply to others yet not yourself?

You sound like a politician. It’s already gone to your head
680 anon_25c83   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 10:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_313db says
Not sure what conflict between iwog and goran stems from, but whatever it is, must have been serious and went back years. Can someone explain the nature of their beef with each other?


someone should have asked him that before he abandoned the forum. no one did or cared or gave one fuck. Same goes for Dan and a lot of other people who arent around now.

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