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New: moderators per topic

By Patrick following x   2017 Nov 5, 7:59pm 17,463 views   767 comments   watch   quote     share    


At the suggestion of the late Turtledove I'm trying to separate the site into distinct topics with a moderator for each topic.
#patnet

The first moderator is Iwog, who is in charge of Investing.

Currently, the only power a moderator has is ability to delete comments in that topic. But soon (like within the next week) I hope to implement these other abilities:

ability to delete whole posts in the topic
set or edit "About ${topic}" page
acceptance or rejection of posts waiting for moderation in topic
acceptance or rejection of comments waiting for moderation in topic
ability to free jailed comments in topic
user blacklist by ip or username for that topic
user whitelist for that topic (only those users would be allowed to comment)
ability to set a background image for the topic, and color scheme
ability to set up own donation link for the work

Anyone care to moderate a specific topic? @Dan8267 would you like #scitech or #science?

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681 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 10:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
anon_313db says
Not sure what conflict between iwog and goran stems from, but whatever it is, must have been serious and went back years. Can someone explain the nature of their beef with each other?


someone should have asked him that before he abandoned the forum. no one did or cared or gave one fuck. Same goes for Dan and a lot of other people who arent around now.


I don't think people are that interested. If somebody can explain briefly that would be nice, if not, the caravan moves on. Even before moderation the only times this site got clogged was when there were personal feuds going on for pages. We can live without those.
682 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 11:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_313db says
Not sure what conflict between iwog and goran stems from, but whatever it is, must have been serious and went back years. Can someone explain the nature of their beef with each other?


I'm not even sure myself. I like Iwog a lot. We've gone back and forth on things like most people here have but I never considered him a rival. He just seems to really hate me.
683 anon_b9053   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 11:26am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
someone should have asked him that before he abandoned the forum. no one did or cared or gave one fuck. Same goes for Dan and a lot of other people who arent around now.


Iwog and Dan both made their positions clear before they left. The failure to stop sniper from coming back, the takeover of patrick.net by alt right trolls, the leaving of long time posters over the past few years, and the inability to have constructive dialogs are the reasons they left. Whether or not you agree with their assessment of patrick.net, this site has lost a lot of moderates from both sides of the aisle over the past few years, so there is at least some merit to their criticism. It's a shame that they left because the two of them combined produced most of the content that isn't outright propaganda.
684 anon_983ac   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 11:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

anon_b9053 says
It's a shame that they left because the two of them combined produced most of the content that isn't outright propaganda.


"produced most of the content that isn't outright propaganda"? I guess that would depend on the definition of "propaganda".

Does that include all the TDS posts by iwog and goat loving posts by Dan? Are they considered quality posts?
685 anon_8cbcb   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_983ac says
Does that include all the TDS posts by iwog and goat loving posts by Dan? Are they considered quality posts?


Those posts may be trolling or uncivil, but they were not propaganda. There's a big difference. Some people got their humor and some didn't, but only a fool cannot tell the difference between a joke, even one you don't find funny, and a serious attempt to deceive people about facts, particularly facts involving politics and public policies.
686 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says
PCGyver says
Goran_K says
Some members are using this to "uncivil" warnings from mods.


Which post exactly? If you associate me with Iwog I find that uncivil. Maybe you shouldn't make uncivil comments if you don't want your posts to be put in comment jail.


Making uncivil comments yet another reason you are unfit as moderator. Not to mention trying to grab yet more power.


Now this has become preposterous. You mark Goran's comments as uncivil, even though they are not, and then you say its reason for him not to be a mod.
687 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 11:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_313db says
Not sure what conflict between iwog and goran stems from, but whatever it is, must have been serious and went back years. Can someone explain the nature of their beef with each other?


No they can't. Goran never even posted all that much.

If anyone really wants to waste time, go review Gorans postings. Theres nothing like what the anons and PCGyver are suggesting.

If there was, they would have already linked the old threads.
688 anon_983ac   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 12:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
If anyone really wants to waste time, go review Gorans postings. Theres nothing like what the anons and PCGyver are suggesting.

If there was, they would have already linked the old threads.


There are plenty of accusations and assertions by PCGyver, justme and the anons against Goran, but not a single one has gone back and quoted a past comment as evidence to support their comment.

They have all been blind accusations without being linked to a shred of evidence. And these are the same posters complaining that the site is going to hell. Pot meet Kettle.
689 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 12:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Is this one uncivil?


No different than your average M1 Carbine, or any other semi auto rifle. But leftist need a bogeyman, something to focus their anti-2nd Amendment fury on. The AR15 looks scary, and that's not good for the children.

ignore the fact that the majority of shootings occur with handguns, and over 90% of homicides committed by firearm happen in liberal controlled cities.
690 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Or perhaps this one?

I guess that ended the debate on socialized health care.

Now can someone tell me if socialism is so great, and according to Bernie Sanders the American Dream is more apt to be realized in Venezuela, why do Venezuelan grocery stores look like this?
691 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGuyver,

Maybe you can link to the horrible terrible postings Goran has made that find him so unsuitable to mod the forums?
692 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 12:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

You're the one that is supposedly so big on facts.

Time for you to put up or shut up.
693 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 12:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says
Fucking White Male says
Is this one uncivil?


No different than your average M1 Carbine, or any other semi auto rifle. But leftist need a bogeyman, something to focus their anti-2nd Amendment fury on. The AR15 looks scary, and that's not good for the children.

ignore the fact that the majority of shootings occur with handguns, and over 90% of homicides committed by firearm happen in liberal controlled cities.


Wasn't me


Ok I’ll take your word for it. Nonetheless you asserted that Gorans uncivil comments were reason for him not to be mod. Care to link to those uncivil comments that make Goran unfit to mod?
694 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 12:51pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Another hole in the system. The name of whoever marks a post "uncivil" should be public information...

Fucking White Male says
Now this has become preposterous. You mark Goran's comments as uncivil, even though they are not, and then you say its reason for him not to be a mod.
PCGyver says
Do you really know which ones I marked as uncivil maybe someone else did it too. Did you think about that?
695 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 1:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_b9053 says
Iwog and Dan both made their positions clear before they left.


Guess then it's good-bye. One should not stop travelers. Though I enjoyed the banter at many times.
696 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 13, 1:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says
Fucking White Male says
PCGyver says
Fucking White Male says
Is this one uncivil?


No different than your average M1 Carbine, or any other semi auto rifle. But leftist need a bogeyman, something to focus their anti-2nd Amendment fury on. The AR15 looks scary, and that's not good for the children.

ignore the fact that the majority of shootings occur with handguns, and over 90% of homicides committed by firearm happen in liberal controlled cities.


Wasn't me


Ok I’ll take your word for it. Nonetheless you asserted that Gorans uncivil comments were reason for him not to be mod. Care to link to those uncivil comments that make Goran unfit to mod?


I feel this is uncivil "Iwog crew"

"This is not j...


Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Goran himself admit that comment of yours should not have been marked as uncivil?
697 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 1:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says
"This is a perfect example of why I feel you should not be a moderator. "

That is when the sensitivity meter for uncivil got set so low. Associate me with Iwog and now it goes off.


That was after 4-5 different warnings about personal attacks. I told you to knock it off with the "you shouldn't be a mod because [reasons]". If you're not going to engage in the topic, and troll with personal insults, you're going to get banned.

Regardless, we ALL should have an understanding of the new limits for trolling and insulting now since @Patrick chimed in, so no one can claim "I didn't know" anymore.
698 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 1:12pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@Patrick, also, would it be possible to see who is marking comments as "uncivil". I believe trolling the "uncivil" button should be considered on the same level as a personal insult.

Anyone caught marking clearly normal comments as "uncivil" should lose that ability for 24 hours as well.
701 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 1:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says
Ye of less government intrusion!


I'm anti-anarchy.
702 anon_27bdf   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 3:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

PCGyver says
Goran_K says
@Patrick, also, would it be possible to see who is marking comments as "uncivil". I believe trolling the "uncivil" button should be considered on the same level as a personal insult.

Anyone caught marking clearly normal comments as "uncivil" should lose that ability for 24 hours as well.


Ye of less government intrusion!


PCGyver says
Wasn't me


If it wasn't you hitting the "uncivil" button all the time, you should have nothing to worry about, if the names are attached who used it, right?
703 anon_8f6fa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 5:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Sniper says
Don't worry children, your hero, Iwog, just checked in to see what his fan club is saying. Here is the banner image below:


Oh, oh, and you got real excited and even took a screen shot. Did he post? Did he post?
704 anon_8f6fa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 5:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
anon_313db says
Not sure what conflict between iwog and goran stems from, but whatever it is, must have been serious and went back years. Can someone explain the nature of their beef with each other?


No they can't. Goran never even posted all that much.

If anyone really wants to waste time, go review Gorans postings. Theres nothing like what the anons and PCGyver are suggesting.

If there was, they would have already linked the old threads.

His posts shouldn’t have been marked uncivil. People should have the right to mark his comments uncivil going forward despite what he wants (a sign of things to come?). He’s still unsuitable to be a moderator for all the reasons outlined in this lengthy thread.
705 anon_8f6fa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 5:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

If you read through those posts marked uncivil, you can already see issues. Yes, Goran’s posts shouldn’t be there, but why are pcgyver’s trumpcuck comments there when libtard doesn’t get the same treatment? Hmm, I wonder. How about that response to FWM. The language in the response is no different to what is quoted, yet one is marked uncivil and the other apparently wasn’t. This one if you were wondering:

“Fucking White Male says
Yeah no kidding. And anon or not, your posting STILL makes no sense.”

“Response:
South Park had a great show mocking the OJ trial and Johnnie Cochran kept repeating over and over again that does not make sense! This is you with no point to make but you still want to participate so nothing you agree with makes sense. Clearly you are also moderator material.”

If that post was marked uncivil by Goran rather than someone trolling, then I see it as an issue.

And it would be good to have who marked them as an uncivil if possible.
706 anon_15c51   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 5:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_8f6fa says
Sniper says
Don't worry children, your hero, Iwog, just checked in to see what his fan club is saying. Here is the banner image below:


Oh, oh, and you got real excited and even took a screen shot. Did he post? Did he post?


From looking at that screen shot, iwog hasn't left, so all of you fan boys can rest easy tonight. He's watching out for you.
707 anon_91e72   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 5:41pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_15c51 says
anon_8f6fa says
Sniper says
Don't worry children, your hero, Iwog, just checked in to see what his fan club is saying. Here is the banner image below:


Oh, oh, and you got real excited and even took a screen shot. Did he post? Did he post?


From looking at that screen shot, iwog hasn't left, so all of you fan boys can rest easy tonight. He's watching out for you.

Yawn.
708 anon_7c234   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 5:41pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_15c51 says
anon_8f6fa says
Sniper says
Don't worry children, your hero, Iwog, just checked in to see what his fan club is saying. Here is the banner image below:


Oh, oh, and you got real excited and even took a screen shot. Did he post? Did he post?


From looking at that screen shot, iwog hasn't left, so all of you fan boys can rest easy tonight. He's watching out for you.


Fake News. Can't stop photoshop lying. Sad.
709 anon_7c234   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 5:47pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says
anon_35401 says
Patrick says
Gosh, seems a bit uncivil.


Then change the rules, again. It works for the Republicans and the neo-racists here and in D.C.


Like anybody on here........ever said something that hateful towards any race. Now you're just making things up.


I love you man. Naivete is sooo endearing. Not.
711 anon_7c234   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 5:54pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
Moderators will soon have the ability to free comments from jail.


Cool. Like Trump's new judge nominee who has no experience and is deemed unfit by everyone but RWNJs. You've learned well, @Patrick.
712 anon_70ba3   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 6:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_7c234 says
Sniper says
Don't worry children, your hero, Iwog, just checked in to see what his fan club is saying. Here is the banner image below:



How many people think that sniper just photoshopped that image?
713 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:25pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
Patrick, I think we need some modifications to the "uncivil" check again. Some members are using this to "uncivil" warnings from mods. Perhaps mod comments should not be jailable IMO. Works two ways, mods cannot "lie" about their post, and warnings cannot be jailed. Food for thought.


Yes, @Goran_K I agree. People are abusing the uncivil link and comments by moderators should have the ability to control that uncivil link by user as well, and to see who marked a comment uncivil. I will implement that, but first, I will manually liberate comments that should not be in jail, and remove the ability of those users to mark things as uncivil.
714 anon_91e72   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So presumably Goran will lose his ability to mark posts as uncivil if he steps out of line. I’ve already seen one pretty ridiculous example of this with that Justme post.
715 RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:39pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

LOL wow over 700 posts on this thread and 100 on the Goran shouldn't be a mod thread in just 100 day, might be your most popular posts ever Patrick. Goran has become more popular than Trump here lol.
716 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

It's definitely interesting.

My only regret so far is not being able to implement features faster. I will show names of who is marking comments uncivil, for example.

Working tonight on making as many functions "pure" as I can, meaning that they always give exactly the same output for the same input. Makes everything more testable and easier to reason about:

https://medium.com/javascript-scene/master-the-javascript-interview-what-is-a-pure-function-d1c076bec976

This should help speed up my development cycle.
717 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

rpanic01 says
LOL wow over 700 posts on this thread and 100 on the Goran shouldn't be a mod thread in just 100 day, might be your most popular posts ever Patrick.

There are other big ones, but this might be the fastest to 700+ I've seen since I've been here. It's somewhat humorous, yet somewhat sad.
718 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Definitely hit a nerve with a lot of people, but that was not my intent. I'm just happy to have additional eyes looking for the comments that attack users instead of their points.
719 RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 13, 7:56pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I think you should do away with the anons.
720 anon_c0c18   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 8:17pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
I'm just happy to have additional eyes looking for the comments that attack users instead of their points.


Then you should never have let rise the conditions that made iwog choose to leave. You have NEVER required ANYONE to substantiate their points. THAT was iwog's standard and you left him out to hang for it. As you witness the decline of this site, not only its participation but its quality of participation, ask yourself why you never required anyone to uphold that standard. Being civil but substantively pointless is not the same as having a point and being uncivil about it. You chose the former. For a while now there's going to be a spike in posting interest because of the mistake you made. People will get up and bitch. Then the inevitable reversion to the dumbass echo chamber will resume and you'll wring your hands and wonder what next you have to do.

You just don't get it.

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