Who is guilty of identity politics? Left, Right, or Both? Is it a diversion or is it very important to you?
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Who is guilty of identity politics? Left, Right, or Both? Is it a diversion or is it very important to you?

By YesYNot following x   2017 Nov 9, 7:58am 607 views   39 comments   watch   quote     share    


I believe that both are, and that it is a diversion.

PatrickPatrick says
Listen to NPR. They almost never go more than a minute or two without explicit reference to identity as Hispanic, black, gay, female.

Identity politics are coming from both sides. The left believes that the majority of issues that minorities face are due to outright persecution or unconscious bias. They feel that we can never have equality if we do not address those openly. They also are more libertarian when it comes to sex (both fucking and gender). The right believes that we have achieved an equality of opportunity society, and that there are no significant biases. Therefore, any disparity in achievement or conviction is due almost entirely to a lacking of innate ability/intelligence or culture of whatever minority. The right also believes that the various genderbending labels are a sickness and an affront to God, and that the people really being persecuted these days are white men. Both sides are arguing their point vigorously in the media and in outlets like this site. Politicians on both sides use it as a wedge issue, because it is convenient.

IMO, these issues are really not that important. Individual people get sucked into the debate, despite the lack of real relevance to most of their lives. It's really just a form of procrastination and avoidance of other more important issues.

Do people generally agree that these issues are not that important, or do they rate it as highly important?

#politics
1 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 8:24am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
The right believes that we have achieved an equality of opportunity society, and that there are no significant biases.


There is plenty of bias against white people in the media and in corporate America. Affirmative Action is really just federally mandated racism against whites and asians.


YesYNot says
IMO, these issues are really not that important. Individual people get sucked into the debate, despite the lack of real relevance to most of their lives.


I've been told on job interviews that they can't hire me because I'm white. I think that is relevant, and that yes this happens every day. It hasn't happens in a while, and I suspect that's because in 1989 I moved to an area where my particular ethnic group is way more common, and people are simply more correctly identifying me (I have an ethnically confusing last name) and not giving me the interviews to begin with. The left seems to believe that racism against white people is OK.


YesYNot says
The right also believes that the various genderbending labels are a sickness and an affront to God,


The real affront to me is when I am forced to pay for other people sex change operations, or potentially facing prosecution for not referring to a tranny as whatever gender mandated by law. As far as other transgender stuff, I would imagine that women really don't want chicks with dicks in their bathroom, andI suspect that most parent's really don't want their kids exposed to transgender people until they reach a certain age.


YesYNot says
Do people generally agree that these issues are not that important, or do they rate it as highly important?


The affirmative action racism is definitely important to me since at the very least it does affect negatively the employ-ability and pay of whites and asians. I doubt the transgender stuff really affects anybody all that much since there really aren't very many of them.
2 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 8:29am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Both sides do.

However the Democrats have played the "race card" masterfully, and that's the most damaging identity politics play in the U.S right now.
3 Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 8:33am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I believe that conservatives want to be color blind for employment, School, and justice issues.

Leftists want to bring color into every discussion, and also wish to actively discriminate against whites and Asians because those groups are (as a whole) considered disproportionately successful. Success is theft in the Leftist dictionary; theft of opportunity from the brown man, and morally reprehensible.

Faced with the clear insanity of the Left, is it any wonder why so many more people are choosing to vote conservative, even against their own political and economic interests? I’ll agree that Democrats are better at regulating capitalism so t doesn’t trod upon the workers, and of course they’re social safety net advocates. But their foray into identity politics is their undoing as it leaves a bad taste in the mouths of anyone who 1)isn’t black or brown and/or 2)believes in fairness and justice.

But they got to be all about getting those non-white votes. They truly believe that this is the way to win elections, even though recent results are proving them more wrong than a daycare run by Kevin Spacey.
4 anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 10:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says
Leftists want to bring color into every discussion, and also wish to actively discriminate against whites and Asians because those groups are (as a whole) considered disproportionately successful. Success is theft in the Leftist dictionary; theft of opportunity from the brown man, and morally reprehensible.
Do you think that this is a realistic representation of the 'lefties' on this site? Or of the mainstream Democratic party? I think that the majority of Democrat voters would think that this is a cartoonish straw man. Of course, there are some who see success as theft as there are some who want to kick all minorities out of the country. But those fringes ought not be a part of the larger conversation.
Quigley says
But their foray into identity politics is their undoing as it leaves a bad taste in the mouths of anyone who ... 2)believes in fairness and justice.
I believe that the Democrat platform and policies are there for the purposes of achieving fairness and justice, and the difference is based on how you see the society today.
5 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 10:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_61c8a says
Do you think that this is a realistic representation of the 'lefties' on this site?


No.


anon_61c8a says
Or of the mainstream Democratic party?


Yes.
6 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:07am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_61c8a says
Do you think that this is a realistic representation of the 'lefties' on this site? Or of the mainstream Democratic party?


Uh yeah? Is there a Democrat stance on any major issue that doesn't involve race? Seriously from immigration, education, jobs, to the economy as a whole. It's always tinged with "race" in some way.
7 Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_61c8a says
I believe that the Democrat platform and policies are there for the purposes of achieving fairness and justice,


Well, you can also “believe” in one hand and shit in the other to see which fills up faster. You’ll still be wrong though.
8 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 10:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I offer this as an example of racism and identity politics from the left:
9 anon_7a66f   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
anon_61c8a says
Do you think that this is a realistic representation of the 'lefties' on this site? Or of the mainstream Democratic party?


Uh yeah? Is there a Democrat stance on any major issue that doesn't involve race? Seriously from immigration, education, jobs, to the economy as a whole. It's always tinged with "race" in some way.

Tinged with race. Immigration, education, jobs. Oh, the horror. The Republicans of course would never bring race into it.
10 anon_7ebb1   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I would just like to say that those whose primary definition of themselves involves race/culture are epitome of walking dead. None of us had anything to do with these things, we were born into them. We have more of a choice in selecting our favorite sports teams, not to mention our accomplishments.
11 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 10:51am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_7a66f says
Tinged with race. Immigration, education, jobs. Oh, the horror. The Republicans of course would never bring race into it.


justme/jazz, you don't see a problem with seeing race in EVERYTHING?
12 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
justme/jazz

The only person who is extremely easy to identify as anon is/was CIC. The rest, you are guessing wildly at, and distracting from the conversation.

Goran_K says
Is there a Democrat stance on any major issue that doesn't involve race?


Non-identity issues for Dems: Environment, quality of life for working class and poor (through programs like minimum wage, education programs, tax code, etc.), health care for more, global peace through cooperation (globalization) and demilitarization, winning through promotion of environmental research and jobs. There are places where individuals within the party differ or stray from the majority of the party, but these are some differences off the top of my head. Look at the platform here: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform, and explain how race is dominant there? Race affects some issues, but this is not the web site of some identity group.
13 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 12:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_7ebb1 says
We have more of a choice in selecting our favorite sports teams, not to mention our accomplishments.

How about beer? Can I pick the beer I like? Keep seeing all these Bud Light commercials and I feel like that's the only choice. Sarcasm end.
14 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 1:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Environment, quality of life for working class and poor (through programs like minimum wage, education programs, tax code, etc.), health care for more, global peace through cooperation (globalization) and demilitarization, winning through promotion of environmental research and jobs.


Well quality of life has been conflated with gender inequality by the Dems, so yes they might not pull the race card out all the time, but they have a lot of other damaging cards they can pull too.
15 Tenpoundbass   ignore (6)   2017 Nov 9, 1:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The "It's OK To be White" campaign are a group of Socialist that admit they want to bring Trump down.
16 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 1:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx says
I offer this as an example of racism and identity politics from the left:


Zimmerman.

When he shot Trayvon the Burglar*, he magically became Whiter than Whitebread, even though he was half Inca.

* Hundreds of dollars of women's gold jewelry was found in his school locker; Miami Authorities kept it on the D/L to gin down the student crime statistics, as a result it took years for the couple that was robbed to get their shit back. The MSM avoided this issue. Also his mother was a ho bag who was completely uninvolved with him and he didn't even live at home half the time, she didn't even know what her own son LIKED. She was like "Airplanes?", so yeah they named some Aeronautical program after him but we don't really know if he ever liked Airplanes, all his friends were like "Trayvon? Airplanes? Uh, nooo..."
17 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 3:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Also his mother was a ho bag who was completely uninvolved with him and he didn't even live at home half the time, she didn't even know what her own son LIKED.
In that case, it's no big loss. Is that what you meant, or did you have something else in mind?
18 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 3:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
Well quality of life
The quality of life that I was referring to was a fair tax code, decent education, and decent minimum wage. Yeah, they've also been going for gender equality in pay, and their data is probably biased. But that's not been the Dem's major push, and if it does come to the forefront, the bias will get tested and the goals will be shifted.
19 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 4:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
In that case, it's no big loss. Is that what you meant, or did you have something else in mind?


No one is saying it's "no big loss" but Leftist media painted a completely different picture of who Trayvon was (they even resorted to using a picture of Trayvon that was 3-4 years old to make him look younger), and they also painted the character of Zimmerman with half-truths and non-facts.

Do you disagree that this was the case?
20 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 9, 4:12pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Goran_K says
No one is saying it's "no big loss" but Leftist media painted a completely different picture of who Trayvon was (they even resorted to using a picture of Trayvon that was 3-4 years old to make him look younger),


Yep.

Don't you remember the famous quote by a certain President, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon".


21 anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 4:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
No one is saying it's "no big loss" but Leftist media painted a completely different picture of who Trayvon was


Is the media looking through the list of people murdered in a TX church, and seeing who was in debt, had children out of wedlock, or who had a ho for a mother? Are they publishing that information? Is it relevant to the fact that they were murdered? Should they report that stuff? I'd say that it is not relevant and they should not report it. But, for some reason, certain types of people want to find excuses in these high profile cases where black people were killed. Trayvon had a ho for a mother? Really? What conclusion am I supposed to draw from that? I seriously don't know. Why should the media report that?
22 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 4:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_61c8a says

Is the media looking through the list of people murdered in a TX church, and seeing who was in debt, had children out of wedlock, or who had a ho for a mother? Are they publishing that information? Is it relevant to the fact that they were murdered? Should they report that stuff? I'd say that it is not relevant and they should not report it. But, for some reason, certain types of people want to find excuses in these high profile cases where black people were killed. Trayvon had a ho for a mother? Really? What conclusion am I supposed to draw from that? I seriously don't know. Why should the media report that?


The people in the Church were innocent. Trayvon was not.

The media in Trayvon's case did the exact opposite of what you're describing, they tried to white wash his actions that night and villify the actual victim, which was Zimmerman. They tried to paint Martin as "some kid going to school, young, innocent stalked by some crazy white guy" and like Sniper pointed out, even the president tried to liken him to his imaginary son. All because Martin was Black, that's what the leftist media machine does. Need I bring up "Clock boy"?

Here's a fact. If Trayvon had not tried to beat Zimmerman to death, he would be alive right now.
23 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 9, 4:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Here's a fact. If Trayvon had not tried to beat Zimmerman to death, he would be alive right now.

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Do you have any proof of this?
24 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 4:52pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
Do you have any proof of this?


The case was decided in the court of law, and Zimmerman's use of force was found valid in front of a jury of his peers.
25 Booger   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 4:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

More anti while bias:
27 anon_d06f9   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 5:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

zzyzzx says
I offer this as an example of racism and identity politics from the left:


Lol - you blame the lefty mainstream party vs patnetters, then 2 seconds later offer up mugshots of unknown origin... obviously no mainstream leftie source compiled that - it clearly was some alt leftie (or alt rightie) playing divide & conquer.

Don't you see what's going on here? Outside of NPR which does do quite a bit of identity stuff - no legitimate source would compile a mugshot list like that.

Don't let the meme generators and dupers of the world trigger u with that crap. Someone on the radical fringe is playing you like a fiddle. Don't let them.
28 lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 9, 5:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Back then racism was real and deadly-Rosa parks had immense courage to do what she did. Today's defnition of leftie racism is a multimillioare 1% Colin kapernick raised in white household being the equivalent of Rosa Parks.

That is what is wrong. I am a non white person with white people under me. Do I go scream white privilege to them???
Society ahs changed.

Just like women's issues. Women could not vote, could not own property and if a man threw his wife and family away-they could not support themselves. So ti made sense at that time for alimony and child support. But now slut becomes a cum dumpster , has a bukake party and has ten men banging her ina wild gangbang and if the sperm that got her pregannt belongs to some sports star-she gets millions of dollars in tax free child support for the next 18 years. In some states you prove by DNA that is not your child-you still pay millions of dollars in child support -best interest of child or some such crap.

That is why the left has become an empty vessel with no ideas and screaming banshees whose embodiment is trigglypuff. they don't think want everyone to pay for them and are just nuts.When Charlotsville happened, nobody on the right rejoiced, but when country music fans in LV were slaughtered-lefties rejoiced because they might have been trump voters. I mean how much more subhuman can you get. The left has gone nuts and it takes someone like Donald Trump to get past their demagoguery and hate. God Bless him and may he soldier on bring us out of the hate and darkness of the left.
29 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 5:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
In that case, it's no big loss. Is that what you meant, or did you have something else in mind?


I meant, "Oh he was a nice boy, mother devoted, was gonna be an airport manager, etc. etc." is 120% bullshit. 24k baloney.

His own father refused to be involved with him because he thought the mother was unfaithful. She was too busy being a BBW on dating sites to give him any attention, either.

That's all I'm saying - the kid was abused and was almost certainly bound for prison one way or another. Because Ghetto Bitches mistreat their boys. Their shitty, horrible mothers and all of them don't work for a living and any of them could leave the hood, there is plenty of Sec 8 outside of it, but they don't because they like the Gangster Lean, so they expose their kids to a shitty life because Pussy Tingles.
30 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 9, 5:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
Here's a fact. If Trayvon had not tried to beat Zimmerman to death, he would be alive right now.


He had to be an OG. Because the bitches around him like that, he saw mom and his female peers in action. He was on the phone with a BBW Cumdumpster at the time.
31 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 9, 6:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Democrats & Republicans are guilty on mass stupidity.
Proof:
128838176 total D & R popular Presidental votes.

"Here's your sign."
32 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 9, 6:49pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
errc says
Do you have any proof of this?


The case was decided in the court of law, and Zimmerman's use of force was found valid in front of a jury of his peers.


There you go, posting those lies again..

Oh wait, that was the TRUTH, something many of other posters here don't want to hear.
33 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 8:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Between you guys: Zimmerman was proven innocent, because he was not found guilty. Yet, Trayvon tried to beat Zimmerman to death (fact), despite not being found guilty of such behavior. I presume most of you believe that OJ is guilty despite being found not guilty. Zimmerman's behavior since the Trayvon killing has proven that he's got many loose screws for brains and is a menace to society.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
He had to be an OG. Because the bitches around him like that, he saw mom and his female peers in action. He was on the phone with a BBW Cumdumpster at the time.
TwoScoopsMcGee says
he kid was abused and was almost certainly bound for prison one way or another. Because Ghetto Bitches mistreat their boys. Their shitty, horrible mothers and all of them don't work for a living and any of them could leave the hood


You cannot make posts like this and then be taken seriously when you complain that other people engage in identity politics.
34 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 10, 8:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Zimmerman was doing God’s work because Martin was certainly plotting nefarious things with the skittles and the sprite...obviously hopped up on Marihuana.

It’s simply a big juicy conspiracy that the same people auto-exonerate the police Every.Single.Time they are involved in questionable conduct resulting in harm to any citizen.

Obviously he was a criminal...he was black, duh. But quit with your SJW’ing and identity politics. The Left is a dangerous Cancer. I find comfort in God and his chosen Republican soldiers. I feelz that they put aside personal interest for helping me. Liberals ruined everything, while Conservatives are sacrificing sleep and prayer and worship time to do Gods Work fighting off the brown savages
35 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
I presume most of you believe that OJ is guilty despite being found not guilty


You think OJ is innocent?
36 anon_a4aad   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 9:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

It's left for sure, their whole mantra is "diversity" and every race should get equal outcomes based on race, not on effort and ability of any sort. And it is only left who screams racism non-stop, it is left who constantly parades stupid racial nonsense.
37 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 9:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx says
You think OJ is innocent?
I doubt it, but I never made the argument that a 'not guilty' finding is proof of innocence. Team Red made that claim in this thread, and nobody (including you) thought it worth refuting.
38 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 10, 9:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Between you guys: Zimmerman was proven innocent, because he was not found guilty.


Yes, that's usually how it works if you're not guilty.

YesYNot says
et, Trayvon tried to beat Zimmerman to death (fact), despite not being found guilty of such behavior.


He can't be found guilty, he's dead. How do you try a dead man in court? How long of a sentence would he get?

Monday morning quarterback. What does that have to do the the FACT that Trayvon got shot while sitting on top of Zimmerman, punching him out. Would YOU allow someone to do that to YOU?


YesYNot says
You cannot make posts like this and then be taken seriously when you complain that other people engage in identity politics.


You cannot make posts like this and be taken seriously when you totally ignore FACTS of the case and a ruling by a jury.

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