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By TwoScoopsOfWompWomp following x   2017 Nov 10, 11:47am 3,741 views   60 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


“I will make bilateral trade agreements with any Indo-Pacific nation that wants to be our partner and will abide by the principles of fair and reciprocal trade. What we will no longer do is enter into large agreements that will tie our hands, surrender our sovereignty and make meaningful enforcement practically impossible,” Mr. Trump said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-declares-new-world-trade-order-1510300438

No more Multinational Corporate Oligarch-designed "multilateral" trade. Just one-on-one bilateral trade. Exactly what I want to hear from a POTUS, FINALLY.

And exactly 0 Democrats or Mainstream Republican candidates would have delivered on this. Certainly not Corrupt Clinton, Jeb!!!, or Rubio.

#politics #Trade #MAGA

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21   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
If Trump knew how to negotiate, he would have gotten them to buy more natural gas from US companies. Instead, he sold rights for Chinese to come extract our natural resources and send them back to China.


Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.


YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released. No one knows if it was a good deal, mediocre deal, or bad deal.


WTF. You claim Trump made a bad deal because he does not know how to negotiate. Then you claim no one knows if it's a good deal, or a bad deal.
Seems your goal is to blindly attack Trump, no matter what he does. If Obama made this same deal, you would be praising him, isn't it?
How about some political honesty, guys?
22   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 7:40pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d2af7 says
So what happened to my post before that?


If you're anonymous and you were insulting other users, well, then I deleted your comment.

And I will do it again. Over and over. Can't even remember how many snarky bitter comments from anon users I've deleted lately. :-)

The solution is to stop insulting the other users and contribute something productive to the conversation. If you please.
23   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 7:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d2af7 says

Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.

Based on what? States fall over themselves to give away free shit to attract new business to their area.


That's called marketing. You get a free appetizer if you spend $100.
24   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Strategist says
YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released. No one knows if it was a good deal, mediocre deal, or bad deal.


WTF. You claim Trump made a bad deal because he does not know how to negotiate. Then you claim no one knows if it's a good deal, or a bad deal.
Seems your goal is to blindly attack Trump, no matter what he does. If Obama made this same deal, you would be praising him, isn't it?
How about some political honesty, guys?


It seems that's all he has. To blindly attack, without facts, anything Trump is trying to accomplish. It must be sad to hate your country so much you want it to burn to the ground.


If it wasn't for the weirdos, there would be no one to laugh at.
25   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 10, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
anon_d2af7 says

Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.

Based on what? States fall over themselves to give away free shit to attract new business to their area.


That's called marketing. You get a free appetizer if you spend $100.

So they're getting something for free.
26   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 10, 9:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
anon_d2af7 says
So what happened to my post before that?


If you're anonymous and you were insulting other users, well, then I deleted your comment.

And I will do it again. Over and over. Can't even remember how many snarky bitter comments from anon users I've deleted lately. :-)

The solution is to stop insulting the other users and contribute something productive to the conversation. If you please.

I wasn't insulting anyone. Go and look at the post again. It was a point about the length of time it would have taken to make a decision about building a car plant, the factors mitigating on that decision, and the lack of impact Trump would have had on that.
27   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 10, 9:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

If you're going to delete posts just because they don't fall lapdog in line with your professed favouritism of Trump, then what's the point of having a forum at all? Why not post up the comment I made in this thread (that you chose to delete) and let everyone see in what way it supposedly was not up to the so very high standards of this site? It's laughable that you deleted that post.
28   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 3:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Strategist says
If it wasn't for the weirdos, there would be no one to laugh at.

This is the kind of stupid crap that typically escalates into insults around here. I see that it was inspired by an attempt to cheer-lead CIC, who undoubtedly did not add anything of value to the thread in his ad hom comment.
Look, nobody knows if this is a good deal without the details. If they are overpaying for their mineral rights and there was no side deal to sweeten it for them, it could be a good deal. However, it is not a good deal for American workers for obvious reasons. But if China is underpaying it is definitely a bad deal.
In my initial comments, I made the point that it was bad for American workers, when I said that a good deal would have been to get China to allow American companies to extract the gas and just sell it to China. I also made the very valid point that this is much like the Uranium one deal that everybody loves to mis-characterize. Of course there is speculation in the absence of details. My speculation is based on what I know of Trump and his previous deals (e.g. Carrier). He often characterizes them much differently than they turn out. At least I had the honesty to admit that the devil is in the details. Nobody on team Trump has provided any evidence that it is a good deal. You and others just asserted that it was good. Now, you and CIC are denying that the judgement depends on the details (how much is being paid). That is bad enough without trying to laugh at others.
What did you think when we sold Smithfield farms to a Chinese company. This is actually a similar deal in that the Chinese will probably use American workers in America, but the Chinese company will take all of the profit and is doing this to ship products back to China. They will also treat those workers worse then an American company. China want to secure supplies of pork and LNG, and don't want to buy the product from American companies.
29   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 3:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

anon_d2af7 says
delete posts just because they don't fall lapdog in line with your professed favouritism of Trump
The hammer is biased.
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 6:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Incivility appears to be in the eye of the beholder. And a biased beholder at that.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 7:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Look at the people in this thread celebrating. OP is a South American , Patrick, strategist, Goran....none of them actually produce anything to sell in trade. Lol yea you got a great deal here, lmao
32   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

YesYNot says
Strategist says
If it wasn't for the weirdos, there would be no one to laugh at.

This is the kind of stupid crap that typically escalates into insults around here. I see that it was inspired by an attempt to cheer-lead CIC, who undoubtedly did not add anything of value to the thread in his ad hom comment.

Relax. It's just the internet. You give some shit, you take some shit. Don't expect everyone to be the perfect English gentleman.

YesYNot says
Look, nobody knows if this is a good deal without the details.

Until then, the government gets the benefit of the doubt. Your premature complaints are a mile long.
33   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 7:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Look at the people in this thread celebrating. OP is a South American , Patrick, strategist, Goran....none of them actually produce anything to sell in trade. Lol yea you got a great deal here, lmao


Keep your post focused on countering an argument not an individual. That way you can avoid having post deleted for personal attacks. Friendly reminder.
34   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

YesYNot says
China to invest in energy projects in the US. Sounds a bit like the Uranium deal you guys are so up in arms over.

Non sequitur.
35   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 8:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released.

Why do you so desperately want America to fail?
36   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

PCGyver says

What has Trump done to make you trust what he says is true?

MAGA!
37   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 9:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

PCGyver says

Just like Obama got the benefit of the doubt?

Yes! Just like that.
38   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 9:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

PCGyver says
I see so you just blindly trust him like people do with cult leaders.

Best cult in the world: AMERICA!
39   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 9:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PCGyver says
Strategist says
Until then, the government gets the benefit of the doubt. Your premature complaints are a mile long.


Just like Obama got the benefit of the doubt?


I voted for him in 2012. And then I was sorry.
40   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 10:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PCGyver says
What has Trump done to make you trust what he says is true?


He is keeping his promises.
Stock Market
Economy
Taxes
ISIS
Terrorism
N Korea
41   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 10:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
He is keeping his promises.
Stock Market
Economy
Taxes
ISIS
Terrorism
N Korea

What were his promises and what has he done? I take it that in your fevered imagination he defeated ISIS. Bizarre. And North Korea? You're trying to spin that as if he's done anything but stir up trouble? What impresses you most about the tax plan? The huge breaks it gives to the richest or the enormous amount it would add to the debt? As for the economy, seeing as he hasn't actually enacted any meaningful legislation, I'm not really sure what you think he has done. I guess when the stock market tanks as it inevitably will, that you'll be the first to blame Trump seeing as Presidents have such a massive influence over such things (at least according to you).
42   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 10:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_c1934 says
What were his promises and what has he done? I take it that in your fevered imagination he defeated ISIS. Bizarre.

Trump contributed to their demise, while Obama contributed to their rise.

anon_c1934 says
And North Korea? You're trying to spin that as if he's done anything but stir up trouble?

He has them cornered. NK had Obama cornered.

anon_c1934 says
As for the economy, seeing as he hasn't actually enacted any meaningful legislation, I'm not really sure what you think he has done.

The confidence Trump created in the economy was enough to get it going.

anon_c1934 says
I guess when the stock market tanks as it inevitably will, that you'll be the first to blame Trump seeing as Presidents have such a massive influence over such things (at least according to you).

Stocks always tank every now and then, and eventually make new record highs. This is a Trump rally. No doubt about it.
43   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 10:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Did he call them the JV Team and pull out troops who were fighting them?

Ha, ha. Who do you think defeated ISIS?

Sniper says
Have they nuked Guam yet?

So they were going to do that before, were they? So you think the fact that they haven't done that is down to Trump?

Sniper says
You mean the ones paying the bulk of the taxes NOW?

So you think the poorest should pay the bulk of the taxes, do you?

Sniper says
You mean the two back to back 3+% GDP quarters? You know, something Obama didn't do in 8 years.

America has averaged 3.3% since the end of WWII, so let's just say I'm not particularly impressed, and that's without touching on the actual role that Trump has played in it.

Sniper says
Yes, usually every 8 years or so, we're due. It's the NORMAL cycle. Your point?

Yes, cycles. Funny that. It would appear that Presidents don't really play much part in such things, do they?
44   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 11:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PCGyver says
My point exactly. You didn't believe Obama so why should we believe Trump?


For the truth. That's all the reason you need.
45   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 11:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d2af7 says
I wasn't insulting anyone. Go and look at the post again. It was a point about the length of time it would have taken to make a decision about building a car plant, the factors mitigating on that decision, and the lack of impact Trump would have had on that.


That would be a fine comment. I did not delete anything remotely like that.
46   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

No 2012
I voted for McCain in 2008
47   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 12:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
anon_d2af7 says
I wasn't insulting anyone. Go and look at the post again. It was a point about the length of time it would have taken to make a decision about building a car plant, the factors mitigating on that decision, and the lack of impact Trump would have had on that.


That would be a fine comment. I did not delete anything remotely like that.


Neither did I. Was this comment posted in politics?
48   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2017 Nov 11, 1:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_3b28c says
Incivility appears to be in the eye of the beholder. And a biased beholder at that.


No it doesn’t.

Patrick has been clear about deleting personal attacks.

You are misrepresenting the situation.
49   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 1:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Look at the people in this thread celebrating. OP is a South American , Patrick, strategist, Goran....none of them actually produce anything to sell in trade. Lol yea you got a great deal here, lmao


That's like saying "Nobody who doesn't have kids can be legitimately interested in Childhood Education."

We hired a guy who was supposed to put the banks in their place. Instead, we got the same kind of neoliberal low wage service jobs + mass immigration = prosperity bullshit.

Neoliberal Globalism has failed. We had the almost unprecedented explosion of 3 life changing technologies in two decades, and yet the standard of living of the average American did not improve. Housing/Rents rose astronomically, as did food and health insurance and education costs. Wages and living standards did not rise.

We had three "Railroads" invented in 2.5 decades and living standards are flat for most, even declining for the working class. For those administrering Higher Ed, for Landlords, and investors in IT stock things have been fantastic, they captured almost all the gains.

Something is very broken.

PS I'm a US Citizen, I voted.
50   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 1:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Our Tremendous Trade Representative, Robert Lighthizer:

Da Nang, Vietnam – United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer today released the following statement in response to President Trump’s speech on trade between the United States and the Indo-Pacific region, at the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) CEO Summit:

“The President spoke loud and clear: the era of trade compromised by massive state intervention, subsidies, closed markets and mercantilism is ending. Free, fair and reciprocal trade that leads to market outcomes and greater prosperity is on the horizon.

“President Trump understands that too many nations talk about free trade abroad, only to shield their economies behind tariff and non-tariff barriers at home. The United States will no longer allow these actions to continue, and we are willing to use our economic leverage to pursue truly fair and balanced trade.

“I look forward to doing as the President instructed me and to pursue policies that will improve the lives of our workers, farmers and ranchers.”


https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2017/november/ustr-lighthizer-statement
51   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
anon_c1934 says
What were his promises and what has he done? I take it that in your fevered imagination he defeated ISIS. Bizarre.

Trump contributed to their demise, while Obama contributed to their rise.


Tnat's pure bullshit. ISIS was a product of bush, plain and simple. It's been well researched and documented time and time again. Wilful ignorance isn't the same as factual information. . ISIS was being set back steadily town by town before trump took office. The russians did a lot more to defeat isis than trump.So did the kurds who trump threw under a bus.
52   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 2:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_40d46 says
Trump contributed to their demise, while Obama contributed to their rise.


Tnat's pure bullshit. ISIS was a product of bush, plain and simple. It's been well researched and documented time and time again. Wilful ignorance isn't the same as factual information. . ISIS was being set back steadily town by town before trump took office. The russians did a lot more to defeat isis than trump.So did the kurds who trump threw under a bus.


ISIS became a fucking Empire right before Obama's eyes. He did nothing but play politics. It was the Russians who finally decided to do something about ISIS. When Trump came in, he joined the Russians to finish them off.
All Obama did was set red lines, which simply got shifted every time they were crossed.
53   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 4:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Exactly what I wanted


Yes, finally great minds such a Donald Trump and T-Lips will get to use their immense powers of reasoning to improve our economy by imposing country by country trade deals.

Don't we all know that what Donald wants the most, even more than he wants lower taxes for his friends is a few years of rampant inflation (yo know the kind where assets inflate far more than wages). SOme people didn't realize when Donald was talking about "so much winning" that he wasn't thinking about the little guy.
54   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 6:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

Don't let FACTS get in the way of your twisted narrative

Though apparently you are quite happy to do that.
Nuance really isn't your strong point, is it?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/08/bush-clinton-play-blame-game-in-iraq/
55   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 12, 4:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

.anon_08dee says
Yes, finally great minds such a Donald Trump and T-Lips will get to use their immense powers of reasoning to improve our economy by imposing country by country trade deals.


And a third ignore.

NAFTA created millions tons of high wage jobs, aka "Jobs of the Future", eh?

Getting flak because we're over the target.

#MAGA.
56   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 12, 4:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_08dee says
Don't we all know that what Donald wants the most, even more than he wants lower taxes for his friends is a few years of rampant inflation (yo know the kind where assets inflate far more than wages). SOme people didn't realize when Donald was talking about "so much winning" that he wasn't thinking about the little guy.


Trump is trying to get the economy moving again. Nothing helps the "little guy" more than a healthy economy.
57   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 12, 11:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Sniper says
Ignorance seems to be your choice. Obama let them march right in.

U.S. troop withdrawal let Islamic State enter Iraq, military leaders say.


?Strategist says
ISIS became a fucking Empire right before Obama's eyes. He did nothing but play politics. It was the Russians who finally decided to do something about ISIS. When Trump came in, he joined the Russians to finish them off.


I'm not so ignorant that I don't know the troop withdrawal was an agreement made by bush.The status of forces agreement. Oh you didn't know that somehow?

There are these amazing places called bookstores and libraries. Really it's true. You go there and there are a bunch of these things called books. Really it's true. You can either buy or borrow these books. Really it's true. If you went to places like that you could get books that would lift the veil of ignorance you two are operating under. Start with Black Flags, Anatomy of Terror (this by the FBI's top terrorism expert), and Black Banners.

The creation and rise of ISIS was totally the result of the Bush administration actions and policies. Actually fuckups more than anything. That is not debatable. The failure to contain the expansion of ISIS in Iraq is totally Obama's fault. He was trying to abide by bush's troop withdrawal agreement with Iraq which Iraq insisted on maintaining far too long. There is no way logistically the US could have done anything to prevent ISIS expansion in Syria no matter who was president.

Last time I checked the kurds and the iraq army are finishing off ISIS. Of the 60,000 ISIS killed in Iraq since 2014 50,000 were killed before trump took office. I guess accounting for 90% of dead ISIS fighters is sitting around playing politics.
58   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 13, 2:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

Last time I checked the kurds and the iraq army are finishing off ISIS. Of the 60,000 ISIS killed in Iraq since 2014 50,000 were killed before trump took office. I guess accounting for 90% of dead ISIS fighters is sitting around playing politics.

——————

Trump is taking a knee to Saudi Arabia, in great disrespect to our country, Constitution, and flag
59   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (32)   2017 Nov 13, 6:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says

Trump is taking a knee to Saudi Arabia, in great disrespect to our country, Constitution, and flag


Trump is taking THE! SCHLONG! from Putin, blood and shit spraying the room and Secret Service cringing at the shrieks of "MOMMMEEEEE! MAKE! ME! BLEED! MOMMMEEEEE!" emanating from his hotel room in Hanoi.
60   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 13, 6:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
errc says

Trump is taking a knee to Saudi Arabia, in great disrespect to our country, Constitution, and flag


Trump is taking THE! SCHLONG! from Putin, blood and shit spraying the room and Secret Service cringing at the shrieks of "MOMMMEEEEE! MAKE! ME! BLEED! MOMMMEEEEE!" emanating from his hotel room in Hanoi.


Everyone knows this. He’s doing what he does best. Stick to your knitting, Trump

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