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By TwoScoopsMcGee following x   2017 Nov 10, 11:47am 1,339 views   68 comments   watch   quote     share    


“I will make bilateral trade agreements with any Indo-Pacific nation that wants to be our partner and will abide by the principles of fair and reciprocal trade. What we will no longer do is enter into large agreements that will tie our hands, surrender our sovereignty and make meaningful enforcement practically impossible,” Mr. Trump said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-declares-new-world-trade-order-1510300438

No more Multinational Corporate Oligarch-designed "multilateral" trade. Just one-on-one bilateral trade. Exactly what I want to hear from a POTUS, FINALLY.

And exactly 0 Democrats or Mainstream Republican candidates would have delivered on this. Certainly not Corrupt Clinton, Jeb!!!, or Rubio.

#politics #Trade #MAGA

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1 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 10, 11:58am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
What we will no longer do is enter into large agreements that will tie our hands, surrender our sovereignty and make meaningful enforcement practically impossible,” Mr. Trump said.


What a Communist.

Can we impeach him yet?
2 anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 12:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

It looks to me like he just made another statement. I don't think he delivered on anything, did he?
3 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 12:15pm   ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

What we seem to have here is an American president who is looking out for America instead of looking out for massive multi-national corporations.

In essence, it's democracy vs oligarchy. I hope democracy wins.
4 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 1:04pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Damn Trump. Disappointing our Democrat friends again.
5 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 1:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

It looks to me like he is working on his bromance with Xi. He campaigned on the notion that China was raping us. Wake me up when he does something tangible that benefits us. Also, he's getting China to invest in energy projects in the US. Sounds a bit like the Uranium deal you guys are so up in arms over.
6 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 1:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Wake me up when he does something tangible that benefits us.


OK. Here goes:

YesYNot says
he's getting China to invest in energy projects in the US.
8 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 1:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
YesYNot says
Wake me up when he does something tangible that benefits us.


OK. Here goes:

YesYNot says
he's getting China to invest in energy projects in the US.


Check and mate.
9 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 1:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Yeah, approving the sale of rights to mine US energy resources to Russia is Treason. Selling rights to China to drill for energy in the US is a tangible benefit to the US. Makes total sense.
10 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 2:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Yeah, approving the sale of rights to mine US energy resources to Russia is Treason. Selling rights to China to drill for energy in the US is a tangible benefit to the US. Makes total sense.


You should ask the Bushes, Clintons, and Obama that question. Their policy is: hand off high tech secrets and manufacturing processes to a growing power, while continuing to advance and encircle a declining power with as many nukes as us, driving them away from the West and closer to the rising (and actually in history) potential superpower.

As for national manufacturing, $1.6B new factory.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/04/news/economy/mazda-toyota-jobs-factory-trump/index.html
What Trump is doing with China/Norks is exactly what is easier with bilateral trade and impossible with multilateral trade.

In a bilateral deal, things can always be 'reviewed'. Enforcement mechanisms can be tightened or reduced, trade expanded or reduced, or threatening to. It's great political leverage as well as being closer to a more equal exchange, rather than one country buying everything from the other and exporting only a fraction in return.

With multilateral deals, they're multinational so you can't simply decide to 're-interpret' the rules or threaten to do so.

Multilateral deals are designed by Multinational Corporations to Lock Business Conditions beneficial to them in place and prevent economic nationalism by the pesky worker/consumer slaves.
11 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 10, 2:23pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Also, he's getting China to invest in energy projects in the US. Sounds a bit like the Uranium deal you guys are so up in arms over.


So, getting China to invest in energy projects IN the US is the same as selling materials out of the country to possibly make bombs to our enemy?

Really?

How do you make that leap?
12 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 2:29pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        



The sinews of war is infinite money.

In WW2 we turned tractor factories into Tanks.

You can't turn Century 21 Home Sale Paperwork, Angry Bird Apps, or Index Fund Shares into F-22s.
13 Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 3:31pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

For almost two decades, America’s biggest export to China was fresh California air.

Lotta empties getting loaded. It would be nice to have something to put back in them for the return trip.
14 anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 4:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
as selling materials out of the country to possibly make bombs to our enemy?

That never happened. Russia bought a company that had rights to mine uranium and sell it in the US, and only in the US.
15 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 4:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Yeah, approving the sale of rights to mine US energy resources to Russia is Treason. Selling rights to China to drill for energy in the US is a tangible benefit to the US. Makes total sense.


They will spend $40 billion+ developing the gas fields. They will pay us while developing them, and pay us when they start shipping the natural gas.
All we have to do is cash the checks.
16 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 4:13pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
YesYNot says
Yeah, approving the sale of rights to mine US energy resources to Russia is Treason. Selling rights to China to drill for energy in the US is a tangible benefit to the US. Makes total sense.


You should ask the Bushes, Clintons, and Obama that question.


They wouldn't even know the answer. They are career politicians. Trump is a successful businessman.
17 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 5:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Strategist says
They will spend $40 billion+ developing the gas fields. They will pay us while developing them, and pay us when they start shipping the natural gas.

If Trump knew how to negotiate, he would have gotten them to buy more natural gas from US companies. Instead, he sold rights for Chinese to come extract our natural resources and send them back to China. Sounds like what we used to do with 3rd world countries. I wonder what Trump got out of it.
18 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 6:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Strategist says
They will spend $40 billion+ developing the gas fields. They will pay us while developing them, and pay us when they start shipping the natural gas.

If Trump knew how to negotiate, he would have gotten them to buy more natural gas from US companies. Instead, he sold rights for Chinese to come extract our natural resources and send them back to China.


Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.
19 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 10, 6:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released. No one knows if it was a good deal, mediocre deal, or bad deal.
20 anon_d2af7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 6:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
YesYNot says
Yeah, approving the sale of rights to mine US energy resources to Russia is Treason. Selling rights to China to drill for energy in the US is a tangible benefit to the US. Makes total sense.


You should ask the Bushes, Clintons, and Obama that question. Their policy is: hand off high tech secrets and manufacturing processes to a growing power, while continuing to advance and encircle a declining power with as many nukes as us, driving them away from the West and closer to the rising (and actually in history) potential superpower.

As for national manufacturing, $1.6B new factory.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/04/news/economy/mazda-toyota-jobs-factory-trump/index.html

Why are you referencing that? That Trump made it happen? So every factory built under Obama was because he made it happen?
Major business decisions require long term planning. When do you think they started looking into building this plant? What was the corporate reasoning behind it? Why do you think Trump had anything to do with it going ahead? You’re crediting him with something that he has little to no influence over, most especially given he has currently implemented zero legislative measures that would have made any impact on this decision whatsoever.
21 anon_d2af7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 6:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
YesYNot says
Strategist says
They will spend $40 billion+ developing the gas fields. They will pay us while developing them, and pay us when they start shipping the natural gas.

If Trump knew how to negotiate, he would have gotten them to buy more natural gas from US companies. Instead, he sold rights for Chinese to come extract our natural resources and send them back to China.


Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.

Based on what? States fall over themselves to give away free shit to attract new business to their area.
22 anon_d2af7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 6:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So what happened to my post before that?
23 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
If Trump knew how to negotiate, he would have gotten them to buy more natural gas from US companies. Instead, he sold rights for Chinese to come extract our natural resources and send them back to China.


Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.


YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released. No one knows if it was a good deal, mediocre deal, or bad deal.


WTF. You claim Trump made a bad deal because he does not know how to negotiate. Then you claim no one knows if it's a good deal, or a bad deal.
Seems your goal is to blindly attack Trump, no matter what he does. If Obama made this same deal, you would be praising him, isn't it?
How about some political honesty, guys?
24 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 7:40pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_d2af7 says
So what happened to my post before that?


If you're anonymous and you were insulting other users, well, then I deleted your comment.

And I will do it again. Over and over. Can't even remember how many snarky bitter comments from anon users I've deleted lately. :-)

The solution is to stop insulting the other users and contribute something productive to the conversation. If you please.
25 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 7:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_d2af7 says

Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.

Based on what? States fall over themselves to give away free shit to attract new business to their area.


That's called marketing. You get a free appetizer if you spend $100.
26 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 10, 8:00pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released. No one knows if it was a good deal, mediocre deal, or bad deal.


WTF. You claim Trump made a bad deal because he does not know how to negotiate. Then you claim no one knows if it's a good deal, or a bad deal.
Seems your goal is to blindly attack Trump, no matter what he does. If Obama made this same deal, you would be praising him, isn't it?
How about some political honesty, guys?


It seems that's all he has. To blindly attack, without facts, anything Trump is trying to accomplish. It must be sad to hate your country so much you want it to burn to the ground.

Reminds me of another anecdote, it's like flying on a airplane and looking over across the aisle and hating the guy sitting by the window. Then you're hoping that the pilot will crash the plane, which will take out that guy, forgetting that you're on the plane too.
27 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
Strategist says
YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released. No one knows if it was a good deal, mediocre deal, or bad deal.


WTF. You claim Trump made a bad deal because he does not know how to negotiate. Then you claim no one knows if it's a good deal, or a bad deal.
Seems your goal is to blindly attack Trump, no matter what he does. If Obama made this same deal, you would be praising him, isn't it?
How about some political honesty, guys?


It seems that's all he has. To blindly attack, without facts, anything Trump is trying to accomplish. It must be sad to hate your country so much you want it to burn to the ground.


If it wasn't for the weirdos, there would be no one to laugh at.
28 anon_d2af7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
anon_d2af7 says

Makes no difference. They ain't getting anything for free.

Based on what? States fall over themselves to give away free shit to attract new business to their area.


That's called marketing. You get a free appetizer if you spend $100.

So they're getting something for free.
29 anon_d2af7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 9:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says
anon_d2af7 says
So what happened to my post before that?


If you're anonymous and you were insulting other users, well, then I deleted your comment.

And I will do it again. Over and over. Can't even remember how many snarky bitter comments from anon users I've deleted lately. :-)

The solution is to stop insulting the other users and contribute something productive to the conversation. If you please.

I wasn't insulting anyone. Go and look at the post again. It was a point about the length of time it would have taken to make a decision about building a car plant, the factors mitigating on that decision, and the lack of impact Trump would have had on that.
30 anon_d2af7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 10, 9:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

If you're going to delete posts just because they don't fall lapdog in line with your professed favouritism of Trump, then what's the point of having a forum at all? Why not post up the comment I made in this thread (that you chose to delete) and let everyone see in what way it supposedly was not up to the so very high standards of this site? It's laughable that you deleted that post.
31 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 3:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Strategist says
If it wasn't for the weirdos, there would be no one to laugh at.

This is the kind of stupid crap that typically escalates into insults around here. I see that it was inspired by an attempt to cheer-lead CIC, who undoubtedly did not add anything of value to the thread in his ad hom comment.
Look, nobody knows if this is a good deal without the details. If they are overpaying for their mineral rights and there was no side deal to sweeten it for them, it could be a good deal. However, it is not a good deal for American workers for obvious reasons. But if China is underpaying it is definitely a bad deal.
In my initial comments, I made the point that it was bad for American workers, when I said that a good deal would have been to get China to allow American companies to extract the gas and just sell it to China. I also made the very valid point that this is much like the Uranium one deal that everybody loves to mis-characterize. Of course there is speculation in the absence of details. My speculation is based on what I know of Trump and his previous deals (e.g. Carrier). He often characterizes them much differently than they turn out. At least I had the honesty to admit that the devil is in the details. Nobody on team Trump has provided any evidence that it is a good deal. You and others just asserted that it was good. Now, you and CIC are denying that the judgement depends on the details (how much is being paid). That is bad enough without trying to laugh at others.
What did you think when we sold Smithfield farms to a Chinese company. This is actually a similar deal in that the Chinese will probably use American workers in America, but the Chinese company will take all of the profit and is doing this to ship products back to China. They will also treat those workers worse then an American company. China want to secure supplies of pork and LNG, and don't want to buy the product from American companies.
32 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 3:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_d2af7 says
delete posts just because they don't fall lapdog in line with your professed favouritism of Trump
The hammer is biased.
33 anon_3b28c   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 6:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Incivility appears to be in the eye of the beholder. And a biased beholder at that.
34 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 11, 7:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Look at the people in this thread celebrating. OP is a South American , Patrick, strategist, Goran....none of them actually produce anything to sell in trade. Lol yea you got a great deal here, lmao
35 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Strategist says
If it wasn't for the weirdos, there would be no one to laugh at.

This is the kind of stupid crap that typically escalates into insults around here. I see that it was inspired by an attempt to cheer-lead CIC, who undoubtedly did not add anything of value to the thread in his ad hom comment.

Relax. It's just the internet. You give some shit, you take some shit. Don't expect everyone to be the perfect English gentleman.

YesYNot says
Look, nobody knows if this is a good deal without the details.

Until then, the government gets the benefit of the doubt. Your premature complaints are a mile long.
36 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 7:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
Look at the people in this thread celebrating. OP is a South American , Patrick, strategist, Goran....none of them actually produce anything to sell in trade. Lol yea you got a great deal here, lmao


Keep your post focused on countering an argument not an individual. That way you can avoid having post deleted for personal attacks. Friendly reminder.
37 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
China to invest in energy projects in the US. Sounds a bit like the Uranium deal you guys are so up in arms over.

Non sequitur.
38 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

YesYNot says
As usual, the devil is in the details, and the details have not been released.

Why do you so desperately want America to fail?
39 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

PCGyver says

What has Trump done to make you trust what he says is true?

MAGA!
40 Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 9:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

PCGyver says

Just like Obama got the benefit of the doubt?

Yes! Just like that.

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