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Should we institute temp bans?

By Goran_K following x   2017 Nov 11, 8:05am 4,319 views   103 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


#patnet

So far I think the new rules are working. The deleting of personal attacks seems to be working a lot better than “uncivil”.

However certain members are still having a hard time understanding the new rule. I’ve had to delete 5 straight personal attacks from errrc.

Should we institute a 24 hour ban for repeated offenses? Like being deleted 3-4 times and warned with no improvement?

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1   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

How about permanent bans.
2   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Errrc why are you acting this way ?
3   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:15am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

That may be true but the new PatNet is about debating ideas not individuals. If I’m a liar, attack my point, not me. Then I won’t be forced to delete your stuff and you’ll be less angry overall.

Excessive anger and stress has been linked to increased risk of stroke.
4   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick

Suggestions?
5   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:28am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (5)   quote        

Goran_K says
@Patrick

Suggestions?


My suggestion is that you be removed as a moderator. This is a civil comment so lets see what you do with it.
6   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_25c83 says
Goran_K says
@Patrick

Suggestions?


My suggestion is that you be removed as a moderator. This is a civil comment so lets see what you do with it.


That’s fine. How have I failed as a moderator? Shouldn’t promotions or conversely demotions be based on performance?
7   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 11, 8:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The greatest personal attack: PATNETTER!
8   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (6)   quote        

Goran_K says
That’s fine. How have I failed as a moderator?


No one respects you. You have so many enemies that you are going to become the topic of every conversation. What was written above is a great example. This is why you should be removed.
9   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:34am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_25c83 says
Goran_K says
That’s fine. How have I failed as a moderator?


No one respects you. You have so many enemies that you are going to become the topic of every conversation. What was written above is a great example. This is why you should be removed.


But so far I’ve not moderated anything unfairly, correct?
10   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

the fact you asked tat question proves you don't even know what I'm talking about.
11   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Goran_K says
anon_25c83 says
Goran_K says
That’s fine. How have I failed as a moderator?


No one respects you. You have so many enemies that you are going to become the topic of every conversation. What was written above is a great example. This is why you should be removed.


But so far I’ve not moderated anything unfairly, correct?


Yea you keep deleting my posts. They are SFW at my job
12   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Goran_K says
anon_25c83 says
Goran_K says
That’s fine. How have I failed as a moderator?


No one respects you. You have so many enemies that you are going to become the topic of every conversation. What was written above is a great example. This is why you should be removed.


But so far I’ve not moderated anything unfairly, correct?


Yea you keep deleting my posts. They are SFW at my job


Your post are not SFW when they are asking others to “suck their dick”. Keep it clean and I won’t delete them.
13   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

You create a thread asking patrick to give you more power over other users and you wonder why people hate you so much.
14   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_25c83 says
You create a thread asking patrick to give you more power over other users and you wonder why people hate you so much.


I’m not asking for power. It could be automated. If you make 4-5 straight deleted attacks then you automatically get say a 12 hour ban to “cool off”. Then 24 hours, then 3 days. Then if it continues the account could be permenantly disabled. This is not a new system when it comes to discussion websites.
15   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote        

Goran_K says
So nothing moderated unfairly?

I thought so.

As always you completely dodge the points raised. Paint me unsurprised.
16   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Let me explain the psychology of a bully. A bully doesn't want to get rid of his victims. A bully wants torment. You want the power to temp ban people when they piss you off. It will give you pleasure.
17   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:47am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

In the end I’m trying to get the discussions way more civil. The new rules seem to be working. The recent threads have been much more readable in terms of content.
18   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Goran_K says
If you make 4-5 straight deleted attacks then you automatically get say a 12 hour ban to “cool off”

Yeah, yeah, and guess who's doing the deleting.
19   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_b67e3 says
Goran_K says
If you make 4-5 straight deleted attacks then you automatically get say a 12 hour ban to “cool off”

Yeah, yeah, and guess who's doing the deleting.


Patrick, zzyzzx, Wookie and myself. Doesn’t seem like anyone is debating that the deleted content has not been justly nuked.
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

Goran_K says
Patrick, zzyzzx, Wookie and myself. Doesn’t seem like anyone is debating that the deleted content has not been justly nuked.

You're doing the deleting in the most visited thread. Many of the people on here don't like you and you know it. And now you're asking for people to be banned after YOU've deleted them. Let's just say I'm unimpressed by your sincerity or intentions.
21   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 11, 9:00am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All patnetters are on Time Out for one hour,maybe this will allow you to realize you are not a genius & are stuck in your value system.

It took me 68 years.
22   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 9:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

Goran_K says
The recent threads have been much more readable in terms of content.

Hilarious. It's been dead, and it's just the usual suspects posting up a couple of their usual baseless love-ins of Trump.
23   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 9:04am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_b67e3 says
baseless love-ins of Trump.

I for one do not love Trump.
But we did dodge the Hillary bullet.
24   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 9:06am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_b67e3 says
Goran_K says
The recent threads have been much more readable in terms of content.

Hilarious. It's been dead, and it's just the usual suspects posting up a couple of their usual baseless love-ins of Trump.


But you’re back here checking and seeing the new and improved PatNet.
25   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 9:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

Goran_K says
But your back here checking and seeing the new and improved PatNet.

Dropping in in exactly the same way people slow down to see a car crash you mean. PatNet is not improved with you as a moderator. It's lost 2, possibly more, of its most interesting posters, and is now utterly dominated by trolls and Trump apologists unwilling to support their claims with any kind of reasoned debate. Improved indeed, but only in your imagination.
26   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 9:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Onvacation says
anon_b67e3 says
baseless love-ins of Trump.

I for one do not love Trump.
But we did dodge the Hillary bullet.

Haven't you got some fact free nonsense to post about climate change?
27   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 9:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Patrick, zzyzzx, Wookie and myself. Doesn’t seem like anyone is debating that the deleted content has not been justly nuked.

I haven't deleted anything just so everyone knows. I can only do that in housing and will give warnings so everyone can see my moderation tactics, if I even use moderation. It's pretty dead over there in housing, nothing like politics, so we'll see. Site definitely has shifted from it's original purpose, as most of you already know. So my job is not too intensive at this point.
28   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 9:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
anon_b67e3 says
baseless love-ins of Trump.

I for one do not love Trump.
But we did dodge the Hillary bullet.

So why are you posting a love-in of Trump in the other thread?
29   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 9:26am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Should we institute a 24 hour ban for repeated offenses? Like being deleted 3-4 times and warned with no improvement?


@Goran_K yes, that's a good idea.

I'll work on that this morning.
30   Sniper   ignore (11)   2017 Nov 11, 9:30am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Goran_K says
In the end I’m trying to get the discussions way more civil. The new rules seem to be working.


But this new Anon policy isn't. It just lets so many more people hide and not have to take responsibility for what they post.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Sniper says
But this new Anon policy isn't. It just lets so many more people hide and not have to take responsibility for what they post.

You failed to mention that it fucks up your trolling as well.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 9:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_25c83 says
Goran_K says
But you’re back here checking and seeing the new and improved PatNet.


Kelly Anne? Is that you?
33   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 11, 9:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

anon_b67e3 says

Haven't you got some fact free nonsense to post about climate change?

Sure. The IPCC has announced that 2016 is the hottest year on record.
34   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 11:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Goran_K says
But so far I’ve not moderated anything unfairly, correct?


Right, Goran has been a fine moderator so far imho.
35   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 11, 11:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Patrick says
Right, Goran has been a fine moderator so far imho.


You mean besides constantly trolling the shit out of everyone? You can't see it apparently.
36   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 11:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

PCGyver says
Patrick says
Goran_K says
But so far I’ve not moderated anything unfairly, correct?


Right, Goran has been a fine moderator so far imho.


@patrick if someone is a liar and you call them a liar, how is that a personal attack if it's true that the individual is truly a liar?


Who determines who is a liar/moron/idiot/etc ?

It’s a slippery slope. If you think you need to express yourself by name calling, just keep it to yourself.
37   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 12:58pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

PCGyver says
If Goran wants to make statements that he can't back up, maybe he is not a good choice as a moderator.


That’s fine. Just keep the content clean and insult free and you won’t get post deleted.
38   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 11, 1:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

PCGyver says
If Goran wants to make statements that he can't back up, maybe he is not a good choice as a moderator.



“Your statement is false because....”

Takes care of the issue, doesn’t it?
39   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 4:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Patrick says
Goran_K says
Should we institute a 24 hour ban for repeated offenses? Like being deleted 3-4 times and warned with no improvement?


@Goran_K yes, that's a good idea.

I'll work on that this morning.


Also @WookieMan : note that moderators can now ban users from commenting in their topic for 24 hours.

Just go to their user page (click on their icon or name) and the ban link is at top. Let me know if it doesn't work.

Thanks for the suggestion, Goran.
40   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 11, 5:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Also @WookieMan

FYI, usually I get email notifications on these and I didn't on this one for some reason.

At this point I don't have much need for the feature as the limited #housing comments have been solid so far. We'll see in the future.

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