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This is why leftism in America is so dangerous. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You work, you eat. Basic fundemental truth that has rung true for over 2,000,000 years of homonsapien history.

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121   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 9:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

errrc. this isn't the forum and thread to start "errc's grivances topics". If you have a problem with moderation, or other issues with uncivil, start a topic under the #patnet subtopic and tag Patrick.

You are derailing multiple topics now in various sub forums. Please start a new thread to discuss your grievances with the management, thanks.
122   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 10:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
Goran_K says
errrc. this isn't the forum and thread to start "errc's grivances topics". If you have a problem with moderation, or other issues with uncivil, start a topic under the #patnet subtopic and tag Patrick.

You are derailing multiple topics now in various sub forums.


Wow, how many threads has he derailed so far 5, 6, 7, more, with his grievances?

It's going "parabolic".


Derail? I’m asking questions

Very rich coming from you after years of attempting to destroy this forum by yourself and your various alias, after Patrick banned you.

I wonder if that picture that Patrick always liked of the runner shitting himself that was attributed to you and your posts, is still considered civil
123   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 10:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Guys, let's keep it on topic.
124   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

He’s complaining about Sniper cluttering up the board while he posts two dozen posts of absolute whiny drivel and self justification for intolerant and hateful attacks on other members. I saw the post he made attacking your wife, Goran, and I was offended for my own reasons. He should have gotten a ban for a week.
I’ve liked his posts and we’ve spent lots of time arguing, but this new angry and aggro errc is just annoying. He’s made himself CiC 2.0
125   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Strategist says
errc says
Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females


Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.


Is this civil?

No. But it is humorous.
You should have marked jazz uncivil for calling Goran a woman.
126   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 11:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?

You’ve also never once complained about him disrupting most every thread with personal attacks, but if I ask questions and point out inconsistencies, I should be banned?

That’s some strange reasoning
127   Onvacation   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says

One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack. The other was just poking fun at someone.

There is that.
128   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?


I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.
129   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?


I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.


Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol
130   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


Show me the post.
131   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 11:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


Show me the post.


Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread
132   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?
133   Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?


Sadly, errc is trying to use the Liberal tactic of "Projecting" and blame others to try and justify his behavior lately.

It's not working.
134   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 11:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?



I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?

You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?
135   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 11:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?


Sadly, errc is trying to use the Liberal tactic of "Projecting" and blame others to try and justify his behavior lately.

It's not working.


Are you denying you posted that when you were here as Ironman?

What happened, you regretting what you said now?
136   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

I just checked the thread. Patrick not only deleted the post, he deleted the actual user account. I knew Patrick wouldn't leave such a post up despite your claims.

errc says

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


So yes, you were dishonest, and it's a shame that you feel the need to act this way.
137   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
I just checked the thread. Patrick not only deleted the post, he deleted the actual user account. I knew Patrick wouldn't leave such a post up despite your claims.

errc says

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


So yes, you were dishonest, and it's a shame that you feel the need to act this way.


Incorrect. Patrick banned Sniper when he posted as Ironman. He never deleted the actual comment, it was collateral damage when he banned his account.

Please stop lying, that is uncivil @Patrick
138   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

In addition to ironman calling Barack Obama a nigger, he also called Michelle a monkey and a dude. There was a surprising amount of traction on the Michelle being a dude concept.
Patrick deleted the user account because of the doxxing. It had nothing to do with the nigger comments.
139   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
errc says
You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?


Speaking of lies, why do you continually accuse people of things, but can't provide a single piece of EVIDENCE to support your accusations?

Got any proof?


Yep i bumped the thread with the quote that captured your post calling the President a nigger.

Are you denying that now?

Change of heart?
140   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?



I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?

You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?

To be fair, he said that he didn't think that the post exists in one sentence. He then said that he knew it didn't exist in the next sentence. That is the kind of clear thinking and excellent writing that we should all strive to achieve.
141   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

YesYNot says
errc says
Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?



I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?

You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?

To be fair, he said that he didn't think that the post exists in one sentence. He then said that he knew it didn't exist in the next sentence. That is the kind of clear thinking and excellent writing that we should all strive to achieve.


Either way he’s lying.

The post still exists in the form of a captured quote. You yourself corroborated that you bared witness
142   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
errc says
Sniper says
errc says
You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?


Speaking of lies, why do you continually accuse people of things, but can't provide a single piece of EVIDENCE to support your accusations?

Got any proof?


Yep i bumped the thread with the quote that captured your post calling the President a nigger.

Are you denying that now?

Change of heart?


How is that proof?

How do we know you didn't go in and edit that comment that guy made when you quoted it? You probably changed his quote just so you could make some obscure point.

Also, why are you so bu...


We know because we saw it with our own eyes.

I’m curious why you’re denying it now. Do you wish to renege on what you said? Or are you too high to remember posting it?

You seemed to have such conviction back in January, that you felt calling The President a nigger was civil and added something to the thread
143   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?
144   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

justme says
Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?


Hell no! That would be uncivil, because you aren’t a protected right winger. No soup for you!
145   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 12:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
Many of us came here for a civil exchange of ideas, driven by a thirst for knowledge. What happened over time, in your opinion? Why was civility lost and who is responsible?


The above is why I came here, too. I wanted facts that I could not find elsewhere. I wanted insight. I wanted knowledge. I wanted the stuff that was not in the newspaper because the newspapers were completely controlled by Realtor advertising dollars. But apparently knowledge is no longer what this site is about. The only way to get back to the good old days is to throttle the volume (which I think is the true meaning of the word "moderation" ) of threads and comments. Then the crap content will die a natural death.
146   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?


Sure. Now explain why you believe it’s a lie.
147   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Sniper says
errc says
We know because we saw it with our own eyes.


Who's "we"? Do you have multiple Alts here?

errc says
Do you wish to renege on what you said?


Who's "you"?

You missed this question;

Sniper says
Also, why are you so butthurt over a comment that was made almost a year ago? Are you really that sensitive?


Errc, for someone who likes to swear at people and call them all types of vulgar names, you seem to be a bit hypocritical, right?


You asked how can we know, are you admitting to having multiple aliases and alts?


I responded with we because YesYNot corroborated and even expanded on what I said

You are projecting here, now stop being uncivil
148   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Sniper says
justme says
The above is why I came here, too. I wanted facts that I could not find elsewhere. I wanted insight. I wanted knowledge. I wanted the stuff that was not in the newspaper because the newspapers were completely controlled by Realtor advertising dollars. But apparently knowledge is no longer what this site is about.


So, you think coming to a PRIVATELY owned forum full of anonymous posters should be the source for accurate facts and knowledge?

You do get plenty here that's not in the newspapers, and not found elsewhere, so why are you upset about that?


You think returning to a forum that you were banned from is civil?
149   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:04pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

errc says

Either way he’s lying.

The post still exists in the form of a captured quote. You yourself corroborated that you bared witness

Yes. To be clear, I agree that you are correct. Goran wrote something very unclear, which it appears (to me) is common for him. That is not a personal attack. It's just something that I've noticed and pointed out a couple of times. He then called you dishonest, even though you were actually correct in spirit. Oh dear. I see that CIC is still refusing to fess up about who he is. By the way, I remember him calling Obama a nigger, because it was a bit of a stretch, even for him.
150   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

YesYNot says
errc says

Either way he’s lying.

The post still exists in the form of a captured quote. You yourself corroborated that you bared witness

Yes. To be clear, I agree that you are correct. Goran wrote something very unclear, which it appears (to me) is common for him. That is not a personal attack. It's just something that I've noticed and pointed out a couple of times. He then called you dishonest, even though you were actually correct in spirit. Oh dear. I see that CIC is still refusing to fess up about who he is. By the way, I remember him calling Obama a nigger, because it was a bit of a stretch, even for him.


It’s Gorons style, to be intentionally dishonest. I always assumed he did it intentionally to be uncivil. Which is also why Iwog left, just to clear up another lie
151   Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 1:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
I always assumed he did it intentionally to be uncivil.


Speaking of uncivil

152   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Sniper says
errc says
I always assumed he did it intentionally to be uncivil.


Speaking of uncivil



Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules

Let’s see if he’s consistent
153   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 1:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
justme says
Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?


Sure. Now explain why you believe it’s a lie.


The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie did not make that statement. It is the job of Strategist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.

As a side note, I might ask Goran_K if he subcribes to the notion, seemingly most popular among right-wingers, that "you can't prove a negative"?
154   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

justme says
The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.

The original assertion by strategist is an example of a lazy hyperbolic statement. There is some truth to the idea that socialists value equality more than rugged individualists. However, the idea that Bernie would favor everybody making zero to what we have now is clearly ridiculous. The sheer number of times he asked for a living wage of $15/hr is proof enough for me that the statement is false. Any discussion worth reading would be based on whether or not a $15/hr minimum wage would be helpful or would backfire.
155   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 1:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.


Sure, but in the interest of generating debate, why don't you challenge his points and point out where there is dishonesty? Wouldn't that be more fun?
156   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 1:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules


What is against the rules?
157   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 2:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules


What is against the rules?


Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?
158   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 2:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?


I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.

Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.

I'm just trying to be even handed here.

Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.

Which way do you think would be preferable?
159   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 2:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?


I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.

Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.

I'm just trying to be even handed here.

Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.

Which way do you think would be preferable?


Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?
160   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 2:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?


No I gave you a one time exception because I didn't believe you that Patrick would leave that type of comment up, and I was right, the comment was zapped.

Since I gave you a one-time exception, I think it fair to give one to Sniper.

(Please no more posting errrc's openly vicious racist tirade anymore though Sniper, if you could, thanks)

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